The Dark Knight Rises Why Would Nolan Make A Batman That Is Outta the Rest of the Superheroverse

[hatebox]

They don't need to be mentioned in the movies as you've said but why cant Bale be Batman in a JL movie if they made one in the next few years or so if the conditions were to Bales liking?

Well since Bale has totally scoffed at the idea of JLA I wouldn't hold onto that hope too much...

 

[CFE]

They don't need to be mentioned in the movies as you've said but why cant Bale be Batman in a JL movie if they made one in the next few years or so if the conditions were to Bales liking?

Because I have this feeling that the conditions won't be to his liking. Look at the difference between Batman in the original "Batman: The Animated Series" and "Justice League Unlimited."

He'd have to brighten up his performance in order to be part of an ensemble. I just have an instinct that Warners would want a less brooding take on Batman than what Bale would want.

Plus Bale's pretty much put his foot down about not doing "JL," which puts a damper on getting him to do it.

 

[Team Andino]

Because I have this feeling that the conditions won't be to his liking. Look at the difference between Batman in the original "Batman: The Animated Series" and "Justice League Unlimited."

He'd have to brighten up his performance in order to be part of an ensemble. I just have an instinct that Warners would want a less brooding take on Batman than what Bale would want.

Plus Bale's pretty much put his foot down about not doing "JL," which puts a damper on getting him to do it.

Good point, although I will till the day a JL movie comes out hope that someone out there can make a JL movie that fits Nolans Batman as well as a lighter tone for the rest of the cast. It CAN be done

 

[Ronny Shade]

Batman should be even darker if he's in the League. Contrast makes good drama.

 

[The Guard]

Where'd this idea that Batman would have to lighten up to be part of the league come from?

 

[Ronny Shade]

Probably from the fact that he's a bit lighter in the Justice League cartoons than he is in BTAS and Batman Beyond.

I think that batman should be the "bad one" so to speak. Superman would be like Cyclops, Batman like Wolverine.

 

[Doc Samson]

I don't see why this would be a shock to anyone, regardless of what individuals might say, Nolan's Batman is indeed grounded in "some sort" of hyper realism. Yes, of course, Batman is a pretty extraordinary character, but in terms of reality, he is still plausible. Having Batman around Superman or the Flash would negate the whole reboot of the character, IMO. If they were to place Bale in that situation, then they should've just made the Joker Permawhite & Ras Al Ghul immortal. This new Batman works only because of the approach being different and fresh. After Nolan's done, then by all means, return Batman to the gothic fantasy we've already seen numerous times with another actor, no problem. Even Jon Favreau stated that working Thor into the Avengers might be difficult, and he portrayed Ironman in more of a fantastical way than Nolan's Batman

 

[Ronny Shade]

Actually, the new Batman works because its heartfelt, well written, smartly directed, and populated by great actors with great performances.

 

[gwynplaine]

actually, the new batman works because its heartfelt, well written, smartly directed, and populated by great actors with great performances.

qft.

 

[The Guard]

Probably from the fact that he's a bit lighter in the Justice League cartoons than he is in BTAS and Batman Beyond.

Eh, not so much. He's still very much the straight man. He cracked far more jokes in BTAS. TNBA, now, there, he was a bit darker.

 

[Doc Samson]

Actually, the new Batman works because its heartfelt, well written, smartly directed, and populated by great actors with great performances.

Oh for sure, but I also don't think the performances would be that great if they didn't seem plausible and relevant to today's world. The Joker wouldn't be that menacing if it didn't seem like you could potentially see something like that for real. Nicholson's Joker killed a whole bunch of people too, after all. Batman's sacrifice wouldn't be that heartfelt if the ramifications of him doing it weren't parallel to what happened in our own country. And none of these great actors (or director) would've even been involved if they had not been allowed to go in a more serious tone

 

[protoctista]

I don't really get why Batman would continue to operate if Superman was around. Surely this would be exactly the reason to go back and lead a normal life?

And why would Superman stick to just Metropolis, and leave Gotham to Batman?

Plus I don't like any other DC characters than Batman ones.

Because they suck.

And I said so.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Batman would continue to operate because, even though there are good superhumans, there are many more bad superhumans, and he wouldn't leave it to faith that someone as powerful as superman has genuinely altruistic intentions.

 

[Ring Deacon]

Well never say never. If the WB wants Nolan's Batman in the JLA movie they will get their way in the end. Remember Nolan's universe isn't the real world but a hyper-reality, so it is posible for other heroes to be there.

In Batman Begins and The Dark Knight we are only seeing Batman's first couple of years. So it is highly posible that it is only Superman's first few years too. And being only their first few years their exploits haven't reached the outside world yet, both would only be urban legends as of now.

Green Arrow could be the one character to link the two big boys of the DCU. If you go with the SV Green Arrow origin and have him ( not the same actor ) well an older version of him show up in Gotham for a quick cameo as Oliver Queen. He can be an business partner of Bruce's. Oli could make a comment about Batman needing to meet his other friend Clark.

So it is not out of the question no matter what Nolan says right now. WB wants a DCU movie-verse, they will get one.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Smallville Green Arrow is just a fake-ass Batman.

Which I guess is how he started out in the comics too.

 

[CFE]

Sticking Oliver Queen in a Batman movie just for the sake of having that entry into the DCU doesn't sound like something Nolan would do at all...Mark Steven Johnson maybe...but not Nolan.

 

[Ronny Shade]

or Louis Leterrier

 

[CaptainGenerica]

The fact is that there are stories about Batman in his self-contained universe, and there are stories about Batman as part of the DCU. These are different types of stories; Nolan is only telling the first type. Both are great, but it's difficult to switch from one to the other in the same story arc.

I could certainly see throwaway references to the DCU being worked in pretty seamlessly, but they're not necessary. Maybe towards the end of the third Nolan movie a sort of "you're not the only one" moment could work if done right... but even then I have my doubts.

 

[jmc]

Well never say never. If the WB wants Nolan's Batman in the JLA movie they will get their way in the end. Remember Nolan's universe isn't the real world but a hyper-reality, so it is posible for other heroes to be there.

In Batman Begins and The Dark Knight we are only seeing Batman's first couple of years. So it is highly posible that it is only Superman's first few years too. And being only their first few years their exploits haven't reached the outside world yet, both would only be urban legends as of now.

Green Arrow could be the one character to link the two big boys of the DCU. If you go with the SV Green Arrow origin and have him ( not the same actor ) well an older version of him show up in Gotham for a quick cameo as Oliver Queen. He can be an business partner of Bruce's. Oli could make a comment about Batman needing to meet his other friend Clark.

So it is not out of the question no matter what Nolan says right now. WB wants a DCU movie-verse, they will get one.

You have the slight issue of one C. Bale, regardless of whether WB wants Nolan's Batman amongst other DC heroes, he seems very much in tune with Nolan's vision that this Batman doesn't hang with super powered beings, if that's his stance and he doesn't want anything to do with it, then the whole DC universe on film using the Nolan Batman is basically dead as is.

 

[Team Andino]

I just thought how neat it would be to see just like in TDK Bale looking at the monitors and saying Im watching them closely, see if they can be trusted. On the monitors shows an image of Flash saving people or a slowed down footage of him running by security cameras, a quite glimpse of Lanterns ring forming something saving a plane or w/e, possibly the classic image of Superman putting the car down. Maybe even a monitor talking about recent martian sitings more then often. It would be neat to have something like that in the beginning of a JL movie or just a neat idea IMO

 

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^ agh, what a terrible idea.

 

[CFE]

or Louis Leterrier

or Brett Ratner

 

[Ronny Shade]

I don't credit Ratner with enough imagination to realize that's what he was doing. He probably just read the script.

 

[Team Andino]

I don't credit Ratner with enough imagination to realize that's what he was doing. He probably just read the script.

I think your giving him to much credit. In the DVD commentary he says some stupid stuff like claiming he created the character Psylock

 

[Ronny Shade]

wow, seriously? I gotta watch that.