The Dark Knight Rises Will Gotham be under Government Watch?

[GregComicFan]

Since Nolan is all about realism...

Do you think Gotham City will be under close watch by the federal government? Will they be present in Batman 3? I mean, I know Batman is always associated with Gotham and not the entire USA... but after an international terrorist organization (League of Shadows) poisons an entire city with a biological "fear-inducing" hallucinogen, a serial killer targets politicians/judges/police commissioners, blows up a hospital, and nearly kills over 300 people on two ferry boats... and the national guard was called in... AND a crazy vigilante dressed in a bat costume is running around and is being blamed for the death of 2 cops... you would think the President would be looking at this nutty city and thinking of getting involved.... at least in some capacity....

your thoughts?

Greg

 

[Angeloz]

Did they care about New Orleans?

Angeloz

 

[JaD]

*whoosh over head*

 

[Crook]

Isn't the purpose of the government TO watch?

 

[Goodfellas]

Oh great here comes people with there stupid "Fed Riddler" ideas

 

[Rolf]

Oh great here comes people with there stupid "Fed Riddler" ideas

I would take green spandex over "Fed Riddler" any day.

However I would not mind if Hugo Strange was working for the government in some capacity.

 

[GregComicFan]

Well, I didn't make this thread to be another Riddler thread. Although, I do think Federal Agent Nygma is an interesting twist on the character....

Any ways, my question is whether you think it would be a natural progression of the storyline, or just an interesting storypoint, if the worldwide (or at least country-wide) scope of the movie was opened up a bit... to allow for a unique perspective showing that the whole country is watching as Gotham City falls into the pits of hell... so adding in "The President" as a character with a single scene discussing the crisis... or something to that effect...

I think it's a natural progression... from BB to TDK we went from being introduced to just the cops/lawyers... to the cops/lawyers/mayor/national guard... so why not cops/lawyers/mayor/national guard/president/fbi?

I mean, it is totally unlikely and unrealistic that Gotham's criminals only operate in ONE CITY. I'm sure their transactions and shady business deals transfer over state lines. So FBI/DEA/etc is a must.

Greg

 

[BatmansWood]

What i like about Batman movies, there not patriotic scenes in the movie that shows the american flag (Spiderman!!!!). Since im Canadian, i just find that stupid, and i like how the movies dont really focus on american things (not in plain site atleast) in the movies. So hopefully there is no president bull crap involved and then the movie becomes save the president crap. Sorry for my rant, i just dont like ANY movie thats overly patriotic, even if its an canadian film, american, or what ever.

 

[namtaB]

Fed. Gov. usually gets involved when the local sovereign or State is helpless. Such as when California gets overwhelmed with wildfires, disastrous hurricanes, etc. I don't think there's a federal government watch per se.

namtaB

 

[spideyman101]

I'd like to hear reports of national terror going on in other cities besides Gotham. Perhaps Bludhaven could be mentioned as a gang of Joker-like people make havoc on the city. Perhaps other cities could be mentioned as well. I like the idea of bringing in the government and the President for just one small scene. Edward Nashton as a CIA agent, I think is a good idea. Perhaps an agent that, for a while already has become more and more of a narcissist by acting outside the law. Perhaps he gets tangled up in this issue, being sent to try and help Gordon take down Batman. During this process Gordon begins to make headway over Nashton, proving some of his theories wrong. To try and get into the spotlight Nashton starts to act over the law in trying to take down Batman and before long he is known as The Riddler as he starts using riddles in his cases. By the end of the film he has become a complete nutcase. In other words, he's been a wreck waiting to happen, Operation: Dark Knight just tipped him over the edge.

 

[GregComicFan]

I like the idea of showing the whole country becoming more and more aware that Gotham City is on the brink of chaos. So whether that's just showing people in other cities reacting to the chaos, or the President meeting to discuss it...I think it... shows 1) Gotham truly falling apart... people trying to escape it... a No Man's Land!!! 2) Batman is fighting for the most corrupted city on the face of the earth... it's so bad the whole of the USA gets involved...

 

[Jolly C.]

think about it in terms of realism after the events of the dark knight there would be government intervention because basically gotham was being attacked by terrorists and the government as usual takes terrorism very seriously especually if its in our own country. So basically the next movie should most likely have to have some kind of government intervention unless the story takes place right after the engding of the dark knight

 

[aaronil]

Well, there is always the Lyle Bolton character, I think his villain name was Lockdown? I was thinking he could be the mercenary head of a private security firm which intends to clean up the Narrows (for nefarious developers). You could just as well turn him into a gruff national guard captain who doesn't withdraw his troops after TDK until the Batman is brought down.

I think making mention of ongoing investigation in terrorist attacks on Gotham is enough, maybe bring in a Federal Agent to liason with the GCPD, but that's enough.

 

[ross2287]

you would think the President would be looking at this nutty city and thinking of getting involved.

Good thing Obama is a Batman fan.

 

[aaronil]

Good thing Obama is a Batman fan.

You learn something new every day!

 

[Angeloz]

I'd like to hear reports of national terror going on in other cities besides Gotham. Perhaps Bludhaven could be mentioned as a gang of Joker-like people make havoc on the city. Perhaps other cities could be mentioned as well. I like the idea of bringing in the government and the President for just one small scene. Edward Nashton as a CIA agent, I think is a good idea. Perhaps an agent that, for a while already has become more and more of a narcissist by acting outside the law. Perhaps he gets tangled up in this issue, being sent to try and help Gordon take down Batman. During this process Gordon begins to make headway over Nashton, proving some of his theories wrong. To try and get into the spotlight Nashton starts to act over the law in trying to take down Batman and before long he is known as The Riddler as he starts using riddles in his cases. By the end of the film he has become a complete nutcase. In other words, he's been a wreck waiting to happen, Operation: Dark Knight just tipped him over the edge.

Isn't that rather Harvey Dentish.

Good thing Obama is a Batman fan.

He also jokingly mentioned his father sent him from Krypton.

Angeloz

 

[Rolf]

Good thing Obama is a Batman fan.

He is...

Golly...

I very much doubt that...

Oh well, If he is he probably wont be much longer...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think the Federal Agencies will have to be involved somehow. Enter Agent Eddie Nashton. And if people think it's a stupid idea? Then you have no sense of imagination, a character like that could make the third very interesting. Batman on the run, a villain inside the law enforcement agencies, who then gets personally involved with the case, becomes obsessed with Batman. How is that a stupid idea?

And before you chime in Rolf, your opinions don't really count seeing as your thoughts on actors wearing masks is completely stupid.

 

[Rolf]

I think the Federal Agencies will have to be involved somehow. Enter Agent Eddie Nashton. And if people think it's a stupid idea? Then you have no sense of imagination, a character like that could make the third very interesting. Batman on the run, a villain inside the law enforcement agencies, who then gets personally involved with the case, becomes obsessed with Batman. How is that a stupid idea?

All villains whose names end with "er" should be Joker copycats...

I do not not mind if Hugo Strange is a fed, but nothing really matters anymore, all movies fail on number 3, it is unavoidable, so they might as well make all charecters from now on clones of their comic book counterparts.

 

[Angeloz]

I think the Federal Agencies will have to be involved somehow. Enter Agent Eddie Nashton. And if people think it's a stupid idea? Then you have no sense of imagination, a character like that could make the third very interesting. Batman on the run, a villain inside the law enforcement agencies, who then gets personally involved with the case, becomes obsessed with Batman. How is that a stupid idea?

And before you chime in Rolf, your opinions don't really count seeing as your thoughts on actors wearing masks is completely stupid.

The reason people have a problem with it is because that happened with Harvey Dent in the last film (as I mentioned) except he was in local government. I'll grant you not exactly the same way. But then again I just hope to enjoy the next film. Whatever the plot.

Angeloz

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yet again you have proved you don't have a clue what you are talking about. I really hope you are just joking, because if you ain't you must be the dumbest person on here.

All villains whose names end with "er" should be Joker copycats? Please tell me you are joking, PLEASE!!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The reason people have a problem with it is because that happened with Harvey Dent in the last film (as I mentioned) except he was in local government. I'll grant you not exactly the same way. But then again I just hope to enjoy the next film. Whatever the plot.

Angeloz

I see what you are saying, but the way I look at it, he doesn't have to be nothing like Harvey Dent. He could just be a goody two shoes agent, who is mocked for always doing things by the book. All this builds up inside him, fueling his narcissistic personality. He wants to prove he is the best, that he is willing to do anything to crack the case. This leads to him becoming obsessed with Batman, it isn't just another case anymore. Maybe he could become suspicious of Gordon? Putting him and his fellow police officers in danger.

 

[MaJiN]

I would not mind if Hugo Strange was working for the government in some capacity.

Hmmmmm.

All villains whose names end with "er" should be Joker copycats? Please tell me you are joking, PLEASE!!

Cosign

 

[Angeloz]

I see what you are saying, but the way I look at it, he doesn't have to be nothing like Harvey Dent. He could just be a goody two shoes agent, who is mocked for always doing things by the book. All this builds up inside him, fueling his narcissistic personality. He wants to prove he is the best, that he is willing to do anything to crack the case. This leads to him becoming obsessed with Batman, it isn't just another case anymore. Maybe he could become suspicious of Gordon? Putting him and his fellow police officers in danger.

I see although it still sounds like Dent (by-the-book when he went after those corrupt cops). I'm not black and white on this though (pun not intended). By the way why Nashton and not Nygma have they changed his name in the comics?

Angeloz

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea they have. But i just think Nashton sounds better. I don't think a guy who specializes in riddles being called E Nygma would suit Nolan's world to be honest. But saying that, I wouldn't be too bothered if he was.

And he would be different from Dent in the fact that he is actually targeting Batman, not the mob, not anyone else. All of his efforts would be focused on Batman and eventually when he figures out Gordon is helping Batman, Gordon. That could be pretty interesting IMO.