Will the real DR. DOOM please stand up...

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I've been wondering about something ever since I saw FF:ROTSS, and it is about Dr. Doom. Even though I've been reading comics for most of my life, including Fantastic Four, and have seen all the cartoons and other versions, I think I've somehow forgotten what it is that makes Dr. Doom such an awesome villain, that is if I ever really knew in the first place.

Now the consensus is that the Doc in the movies was severely disappointing to say the least, and never managed to live up to his potential in 2 whole films.

So my question is this: What should Doom have done in the movies to accurately demonstrate his status as one of the coolest villains ever?
 
I've been wondering about something ever since I saw FF:ROTSS, and it is about Dr. Doom. Even though I've been reading comics for most of my life, including Fantastic Four, and have seen all the cartoons and other versions, I think I've somehow forgotten what it is that makes Dr. Doom such an awesome villain, that is if I ever really knew in the first place.

Now the consensus is that the Doc in the movies was severely disappointing to say the least, and never managed to live up to his potential in 2 whole films.

So my question is this: What should Doom have done in the movies to accurately demonstrate his status as one of the coolest villains ever?

Very simple: He should have been portrayed more like a regal monarch than a slimy businessman.
 
yes he should have been
all we got was a road company lex luthor
not the evil twin of iron man we KNOW vicious vic to be:doom:
 
That s rigth! I m the real DR doom. I standing right there and I m about to steal something. GOT something to say? :woot:

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What he should have done is not get superpowers, and he should rule Latveria. Glad they got rid of his metal skin at least.
 
What he should have done is not get superpowers, and he should rule Latveria.

Okay, no superpowers. But what should he be able to do once he's got his armor and gizmos and does battle with the FF?
 
I've been wondering about something ever since I saw FF:ROTSS, and it is about Dr. Doom. Even though I've been reading comics for most of my life, including Fantastic Four, and have seen all the cartoons and other versions, I think I've somehow forgotten what it is that makes Dr. Doom such an awesome villain, that is if I ever really knew in the first place.

Now the consensus is that the Doc in the movies was severely disappointing to say the least, and never managed to live up to his potential in 2 whole films.

So my question is this: What should Doom have done in the movies to accurately demonstrate his status as one of the coolest villains ever?

1). Firstly, Dr. Doom needs a regal presence. This means not only the costume needs to portray this, but the way the actor walks, the music, the camera angles, and so on. Think of the way Darth Vader walks into a scene the first time; everything is done to show you this is the villain, the villain of all villains.

2). In connection to 1, this means his dialogue never has any sort of wisecracks. He doesn't say, "Everyone going for a spin!" or something like that. At best he has a dry and biting barb that enhances his own sense of superiority. I'm partisan on the third person thing (because it can easily be seen to sound like "Karl Moline" or so forth), but Dr. Doom sees himself as above meer mortals, and the dialogue needs to portray this.

3). Thirdly, running a corporation is beneathe Doom. He runs an entire country that was ruled by unsuccessful and far worse dictators for generations and manages to bring some sort of peace to the people, so long as they obey his rule. It also allows him all the capitial he needs for his arsenal.

4). Dr. Doom doesn't need superpowers, and in a way it is beneathe him. He is the anti-Batman. A brilliant youth whose loss of a parent, namely his mother, became the initial drive for all that he had done. What gives him a lot of appeal is the fact that he can challenge not only the Fantastic Four, but any sort of superhero, magical being or cosmic force yet at heart is a human with no powers. Naturally magic would be a bit much and the movies cover the science angle, which is where Dr. Doom is best. Why can't someone other than Iron Man or Batman rely on body armor? He also has endless deadly machines, lines of various robots, and so on. "Doombot" sounds a little cheesy but it always could have been a given nickname from Thing or Torch and Dr. Doom didn't give his robot servants specific titles ("Doom-Troopers"? "Doomoids"?). His armor also allows him enhanced strength, energy beams, forcefields, electrical-shocks, and various other tricks. Powers are SO limiting. :p

5). Metallic voice. So important it gets a seperate number. It enhances the effect and makes him sound more menacing. He relies on machines, he may as well sound like one. For my money, the best VA for Dr. Doom was Ralph James, who voiced Dr. Doom in the syndicated SPIDER-MAN cartoon circa 1981 (which was good enough to convince NBC to make SPIDER-FRIENDS a year or two later).

Dr. Doom overall is not the easiest villain to portray. But what doesn't work is making him more pedestrian, more common, more "down to Earth". Could you imagine Vader making dull wisecracks? Conducting board meetings? Doom was the inspiration for Vader, and it is a shame that wasn't at least made apparent.
 
Extremely well put, Dread. :up:

I'd love to see a proper interpretation of Doom on screen one day. Assuming Fox doesn't relinquish the rights to the franchise, I fear that day is far off.
 
Extremely well put, Dread. :up:

I'd love to see a proper interpretation of Doom on screen one day. Assuming Fox doesn't relinquish the rights to the franchise, I fear that day is far off.

Thanks.

Another thing is that Dr. Doom is a villain who should be built up, and not just inserted in obligatory fight scenes where he loses almost automatically. The problem is that he is the Four's most recognizable villain and without him in the films they might have had to rely on others for action sequences. But that still is little excuse.

The FF are not an easy franchise to handle. No question. Story & Co. just haven't handled it well.
 
Extremely well put, Dread. :up:

I'd love to see a proper interpretation of Doom on screen one day. Assuming Fox doesn't relinquish the rights to the franchise, I fear that day is far off.
What he said. You really hit the nail on the head Dread.
 
Also when the FF battle him he should have a weapon designed for each member dooms brilliance is a match for reeds and he isnt hampered by reeds moral judgement when he creates inventions. On a seperate note, Remember the awful 1990s movie? that dooms wasnt half bad in his own way far better then the new one.
 
Also when the FF battle him he should have a weapon designed for each member dooms brilliance is a match for reeds and he isnt hampered by reeds moral judgement when he creates inventions. On a seperate note, Remember the awful 1990s movie? that dooms wasnt half bad in his own way far better then the new one.
Haven't seen it, just seen pictures of it. I will say Rebecca Staab was a far more visually accurate - and visually pleasing - Sue Storm/Invisible Woman than Jessica Alba.
 
FF as a whole needed to try to be less of a sleek movie; if any movie needs to fall back on a little bit of 60s cheese, it's the FF. And that includes insane dictators who speak in thick Hungarian accents and refer to themselves in 3rd person.
 
This has been bothering me for awhile and sorry if its offtopic, but WHY is Dr Doom called...... *DR* Doom? Why not Lord Doom or something like that?


And to be ontopic, Doom should be Really, Really, REALLY violent if hes not happy. By that if he attacks someone it should be in an unmerciful, barbaric matter.
 
imagine if someone came up with the name Dr. Doom nowadays? everyone would think its the cheesiest most terrible name ever.
 
ironic since vader was created after lee and kirby created vicious vic

Mark Hamill even thought early sketches of Vader were pictures of Doctor Doom. If anyone's the rip off, it's Vader.
 

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