Superman Returns Will WB let Singer direct another Superman movie?

[Dave Kocher]

what do you guys think?

 

[dpm07]

No offense, but your options are weak. You should have had other options. That said, this is a great question you posed.

I do think they will let Singer direct not because the story is great (it isn't, IMO), but rather because of the following:

• He messed with the character so much by connecting it with the Donner film and giving Superman a child, that only a reboot could fix it with another director.
• He is still under contract with WB, and since they have invested so much into his vision (or lack thereof), they will likely keep him on versus get another director who would (God willing) give us a reboot.

Singer is therefore likely to get hired back because WB won't want to go through development hell again, and while it would make sense, WB is known more for bad decisions (except BB) than they are for good ones. They ok'ed the storyline Singer set up, which was their first mistake. The concept was great, but it should have not been so closely connected to the Donner film, and should have had a supervillain, and a stronger connection to the DCAU which has really helped to reinvigorate the DC Characters in general.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

TIED! For now......

You didn't have to add the rest to the YES and NO, though. Simply Yes and NO would suffice.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, dpm.....while I kinda disagree with what you said....I'm guessing you hated the film.....those are facts. WB does not want to go to development hell again with this character, and nobody else can handle the storyline that Singer has created without a restart......so, Singer seems likely to stay.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Singer will stay, but his writters' that's another story.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, it could be a George Steinbrenner move.

Don't fire the leader....fire the people following him, and get someone you want in there beneath him instead.

Could happen.

Just to know, who SHOULD write it?

 

[dpm07]

Yeah, it could be a George Steinbrenner move.

Don't fire the leader....fire the people following him, and get someone you want in there beneath him instead.

Could happen.

Just to know, who SHOULD write it?

It's unlikely that Singer would let the whack pack of fools Harris and Daugherty be fired without he himself leaving. I was severely disappointed in this film, and I definitely don't think Singer is the right man to direct another soulless lackluster film on Superman.

That said, I do admire his loyalty to his writing staff no matter how pitiful they are. He is a man well known for his loyalty to his people, and I can respect that aspect of him. It's a double-edged sword though, because they are really poor writers.

Who should write the film? Bruce Timm and Paul Dini. What they did with Apokolips...Now! and Legacy blows anything Singer has with Superman out of the water. They provided a great story, great arcs in the DCAU, and respect for the characters. That said, I don't think they would do it if asked because based on their approach with the character, it's definitely a different style (Better, IMO), than what Singer does with the character. They wouldn't have given Superman a son which takes the focus off of Superman. Granted, they did give us Kara, but they also did it very well, and made the character respectable, and great throughout STAS/JLU. They also waited until the final season to do it, and made her complement Superman, not overshadow or take away from him. I'd rather see Kara than Superson.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Do comic writers tansition well into screenwriters though?

I can only think of Kevin Smith, although didn't he start as a screenwriter then get into comics? And Frank Miller....although LITERALLY, his book was the script. Goyer's written some comics too, but again...I think he started out as a screenwriter first...

 

[Galactical]

It's unlikely that Singer would let the whack pack of fools Harris and Daugherty be fired without he himself leaving. I was severely disappointed in this film, and I definitely don't think Singer is the right man to direct another soulless lackluster film on Superman.

That said, I do admire his loyalty to his writing staff no matter how pitiful they are. He is a man well known for his loyalty to his people, and I can respect that aspect of him. It's a double-edged sword though, because they are really poor writers.

Who should write the film? Bruce Timm and Paul Dini. What they did with Apokolips...Now! and Legacy blows anything Singer has with Superman out of the water. They provided a great story, great arcs in the DCAU, and respect for the characters. That said, I don't think they would do it if asked because based on their approach with the character, it's definitely a different style (Better, IMO), than what Singer does with the character. They wouldn't have given Superman a son which takes the focus off of Superman. Granted, they did give us Kara, but they also did it very well, and made the character respectable, and great throughout STAS/JLU. They also waited until the final season to do it, and made her complement Superman, not overshadow or take away from him. I'd rather see Kara than Superson.

What? you don't want to see --->

You are not a true fan. I for one hope there's a spinoff for the young Musical hero. and if you can't tell I'm kidding about that, you're on something.

WB's probably not going to ask singer to come back, no. they were overconfident in his ability to deliver a great comicbook movie and they miscalculated. back to the drawing board for them.

 

[Carp Man]

Right now it's 50-50, mabey 60-40 against. When a big movie performs poorly, the director useually is not asked back, and he doesn't get many calls. Hope that doesn't happen to Singer, because I like the 1st 2 X-Men movies. But there is plenty of blame to go around on SR.

 

[Steelsheen]

"whack pack", you guys may actually have coined a new term there

but before you guys hang Harris and Dougherty i suggest that you read the thread on their interview here. if you want to get rid of these two guys because of the mess that was SR, maybe you all should get rid of Singer first.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hey, Galatical.....maybe you should build up your post count before you tell people "they're not real fans", eh?

Btw.... I mean, from they're pov, WB....are there any other choices that don't lead to development hell?

 

[The Punisher]

Singer really cares about Superman, the torch is heavy and he's the right one to continue the franchise. I really hope the B.O oulls through....

 

[Galactical]

Hey, Galatical.....maybe you should build up your post count before you tell people "they're not real fans", eh?

Btw.... I mean, from they're pov, WB....are there any other choices that don't lead to development hell?

read my entire post next time, eh.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

You read the comics Glactical?

 

[dpm07]

Singer really cares about Superman, the torch is heavy and he's the right one to continue the franchise. I really hope the B.O oulls through....

That's just it. He's really not a huge fan of Superman. He's a huge fan of the Donner film on Superman. Superman consists of more than just what Donner did.

The film is not doing well for a number of reasons. Most notably, fans really are finding it boring. They'd rather see a strong complement of story and action ala POTC 2. Spiderman also delivered a complement of story and action, as did LOTR. These directors understood the source material, and the characters. Singer is out of touch and his ego is finally coming to earth. People respect the Donner film for what it was back in the day, but it's day is long passed. It's time to move on. Singer made a critical error in trying to wean people off that. He should have just done a reboot and cut the chord. We don't get a weaning everytime there's a new James Bond in a James Bond film.

Singer dropped the ball. He had a great opportunity, and couldn't deliver the goods. I don't think he should be allowed back. I feel there should be a reboot. However, knowing the amount of money they've put into Singer's lackluster effort, they're pretty much between a rock and hard place, and will likely keep him.

 

[Super Kal]

I say it's up in the air at this moment.

 

[Galactical]

You read the comics Glactical?

do you read this messageboard chrisbalebatman?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well....if there's a sequel....I think it'll be him.

Can anyone see a sequel done without him? I mean, a sequel...not a restart.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

do you read this messageboard chrisbalebatman?

Well, actually, I can't read.....but don't tell anyone.

Seriously, I'm just wondering. You read some Superman books?

 

[retconned]

Hey, I posted this in another thread, but because it's more likely to get shut down than this one, Ill put it here as well.......

I might lose some credibiblity here, and I might be letting my love of BtVS take over in this time of grieving, but I would get Joss Whedon off of Wonder Woman and on to the next Superman flick.

Whedon can do real human emotion in fantasy elements like no one else, all at the same time while telling a good story. If you gave him comic book writers, or atleast Bruce Timm, as a consultant, he could do great things with this character.

 

[Steelsheen]

No. to. Whedon.

 

[Galactical]

Well, actually, I can't read.....but don't tell anyone.

Seriously, I'm just wondering. You read some Superman books?

Not as much as Singer has unfortunately. But Seriously, If you can't read, what are you doing at a messageboard? Why do I type this knowing you can't read it?

Also another very quick on-topic question, are you wearing pants?

 

[Caliber]

I hop they get their out of the their and make a Superman and use Comic book villains besides lex or its not worth even seeing. Or will they just use Zod since Superman returns was Superman with a better plot.

 

[Matt]

who knows? If they do it will have nothing to do with 'a great plot'...

They will determine if Bryan Singer can make a profitable sequel based on what they saw with this movie.