World Trade Center

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Okay, guys. The movie is out.

I haven't seen it........and I don't think I can/will. For me, 9/11 is still too raw. I'm from New York, and even though I was away from the city.....I'll never forget the hell it was not knowing if my family members here were okay. I had a cousin who worked as a janitor in the Towers, and luckily the 11th was his day off. Didn't know that until a few hourslater, but still.

So, what do you guys think? I mean....I think we all know that Hollywood will not stay away from real tragiedies. But, is still too soon for films like these? There was a 9/11 film already out this year, whihc was errie from what I hear when you watch Superman Returns and Superman is catching a crashing plane.

So....

 

[ampersand]

While I don't think it's to soon, I hate that Hollywood is making money off of this. Those Bastards.

 

[WorthyStevens]

I'm seeing it tomorrow.

 

[WorthyStevens]

While I don't think it's to soon, I hate that Hollywood is making money off of this. Those Bastards.

Just like every documentary and book about 9/11 has made money off of this. Even the news generates profit from their coverage.

 

[ampersand]

Just like every documentary and book about 9/11 has made money off of this. Even the news generates profit from their coverage.

Good point. But they're bastards anyway

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, I mean.....the cynical side in me views this as another pawn to try and make cash off the death of so many. But, there are stories there to tell....and maybe people NEED to know those stories.

But, 6 years is still soon to me. But, then again.....how long should they wait. There's not exactly some kind of rule on this stuff.

But, I've heard good things about the movie. I heard the families of the WTC said the film did justice and was great. So, there's something to think about.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I think a movie version helps to allow people to move on. Not forget, mind you, but that the event is behind us (although we will never not feel the fallout or result of the event).

As far as Hollywood making money, do you think it's just too soon or what? Don't forget that Hollywood's been making tons of cash from an event that killed many more people and had a much larger effect on the world (World War 2).

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, I know......but that seems so far away now, ya know? And...how soon did they make films of WWII after it ended? I wouldn't know, but I guess that's why I'm wondering if it's still too soon.

 

[Warhammer]

I kinda think it's too soon, but anyhow, I wasn't really interested in the movie anyway.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I seen it at a promo screening last Thursday. It's excellent. It's very well written and acted, and it focuses on the people involved rather than the event so it's not beating the same thing to death that news coverage already did.

 

[y2jversion1]

But, I've heard good things about the movie. I heard the families of the WTC said the film did justice and was great. So, there's something to think about.

Actually, I read in the paper that many families are actually quite pissed at Stone.

I'll see if I can dig up that paper and scribble it here tomorrow...

 

[y2jversion1]

And not to sound like a heartless prick, but honestly the timing of the release of this film is just too 'convenient' - especially with the war in Lebanon going on where the "heroic" Israelis are taking on the "terrorist" Lebanese/Hezbollah.

Same 'marketing' (read: support garnering) strategy similar to when more and more people were questioning 9/11 and then boom, the film "Flight 93" was released.

Not only do we have the film fueling the Hollywood machine, but also sublingually garnering support for the "war on terrorism"

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, I heard on the radio that many of the families were pleased with it. But, I wouldn't be surprised with them being pissed.

Touchy subject though.

 

[The Shape]

I just got back from seeing it.

It's a solid film. Powerful. Inspirational. Agonizing.

I enjoyed it. The acting was good, and the story had substance. It made you remember not only the frightening aspects of 9/11, but the way it brought people together. Tragedy has a way of doing that, and this is a perfect example of that. The film was told from the point of view of the PA cops stuck under the rubble after the first tower drops. We also see the way each of their families are handling everything, and we see the repurcussions around the world.

Having seen this and Flight 93, I can tell you that this is much easir to handle. Flight 93 was depicted as real as possible, and at times, it felt almost like you were in that plane on 9/11 with the passengers. WTC feels a lot more like a movie, where there are flashbacks and dream sequences.

I recommend it to anyone that wants to be moved, because this will likely do that to you. Though the film has its flaws and weaknesses, it is still pretty solid.

8/10.

 

[HUMAN]

Listen closely for the pre-planted bombs that were the reason the towers collapsed.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Or we could leave conspiracy theories out of this thread...

 

[HUMAN]

Or we could leave conspiracy theories out of this thread...

No, no. They're actually in the movie. Watch as they're getting their fire gear together.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Yeah, I know......but that seems so far away now, ya know? And...how soon did they make films of WWII after it ended? I wouldn't know, but I guess that's why I'm wondering if it's still too soon.

They were making WW2 films DURING WW2! It was more of a recruitment and "support your boys over there" pride thing IMO though.

Listen closely for the pre-planted bombs that were the reason the towers collapsed.

Several things wrong with that theory. First, think about how difficult it would be to transport, insert, and then plant explosives in a building that is constantly buzzing 24 hours a day. We're talking lots of explosives. And then actually getting into the walls where they would be concealed? Lots and lots of work and people and time.

Secondly, if they were planted, they would have to be detonated by remote, and with all of the cellular, radio, electrical, etc. activity going on, the chances of the bombs going off at anytime would be pretty good.

That sound is most likely the floors collapsing on each other, like a smacking effect. The pressure as ceilings collapse onto floors would probably produce an outward force, like when you clap your hands.

The government can't even conceal that the president got a little too friendly with an intern. Think how much harder it would be to conceal something of this scale.

I'm no expert obviously, and I'm open minded, even to the possibility of something much more sinister with 9/11, so I'm not saying I am right.

 

[Motown Marvel]

damn, this came out today?

 

[HUMAN]

Several things wrong with that theory. First, think about how difficult it would be to transport, insert, and then plant explosives in a building that is constantly buzzing 24 hours a day. We're talking lots of explosives. And then actually getting into the walls where they would be concealed? Lots and lots of work and people and time.

Easy, WTC workers reported that 6 months prior to 9/11 the security personnel (headed by Marvin Bush) were running emergency drills where entire sections of the towers were evacuated. A few weeks before 9/11, bomb stiffing dogs were removed from the towers.

Secondly, if they were planted, they would have to be detonated by remote, and with all of the cellular, radio, electrical, etc. activity going on, the chances of the bombs going off at anytime would be pretty good.

WTC 7 = CIA, FBI, FEMA, and Guilliani's personal anti-terrorist bunker.

That sound is most likely the floors collapsing on each other, like a smacking effect. The pressure as ceilings collapse onto floors would probably produce an outward force, like when you clap your hands.

Not possible. Steel doesn't melt until 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit and jet fuel doesn't even reach 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Especially when most of it is blown outside of the building immediately after impact.

Skyscrapers have burned for days without collapsing. Look at the Windsor Building in Madrid, Spain. It burned for nearly 24 hours and did not collapse.

Yet, by some miracle, three buildings collapsed by minute fires on 9/11 when no other skyscraper in history have done so.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I don't want to turn this into a conspiracy thread, which I may have propogated, but I can assure you it would take a lot more than a few evacuations to necessarily wire a building that size with explosives. I am not discounting that option, but the conspiracists have yet to convince me. And I do not understand your reply to my second reason.

 

[Mentok]

From the reviews it seems like a good film, dont know If I will see it though... I will probably wait for DVD.

 

[Shuley]

I think a movie version helps to allow people to move on. Not forget, mind you, but that the event is behind us (although we will never not feel the fallout or result of the event).

As far as Hollywood making money, do you think it's just too soon or what? Don't forget that Hollywood's been making tons of cash from an event that killed many more people and had a much larger effect on the world (World War 2).

Let's not forget all the Vietnam movies,hollywood made billions off of people's drafted sons who were nothing but kids with a gun in thier hand. Hollywood has no concisenes.

 

[The Riddler]

i heard it was decent.

i might check it out, but it doesn't seem that interesting.

 

[Fanticon]

personally I think its too early...I don't mind seeing them...but I gave it some thought...and I just think the 5 year mark isn't enough...and the overall approach to this film in particular being about two survivors...I haven't seen it...to be honest it doesn't really look that good or like its going to capture the things we need to know about 9/11 in the form of a movie. Seemed selfish, that its really about these guys and not focusing on the event as a whole...the previews gave me a Perfect Storm vibe...seen it, done it...and thats not the feeling I want from a movie about an event as terrible as 9/11...so...I don't think its gonna hit, and the studios will claim its not about the money and that its about their story...but, if we want a truly meaningful film about this event in our history...they need to wait...think about the best way to go about it and then make it...but if studios start pumping out movies like this, and this early on...it may negatively impact any really potentially good re-tellings. I guess this is either the beginning of the end, or only the beginning of something that'll be never ending...it makes me sick to think about how many times the studios are gonna try to make one of these movies really be a hit and have it win awards at the Oscars untill they finally get it right...then what? Then we feel like its been forced down our throats so many times that we start to look at the movies about 9/11 as bombs and poorly made rather than what should really count...people will start brushing them off going "Oh not another one"...frankly its kinda sad that Hollywood will be the reason people start to tire of the whole thing. I don't know...just my rant. I'm waiting to be in the right mood and state of mind to sit down to watch both WTC and Flight 93 so what do I know?