The Dark Knight Rises Worst, most annoying suggestions youve constantly heard

[Mindreaper21]

dude, the riddler is a weak geek, ill be a little pissed if they cast some square jawed pretty boy, he's been a lanky receiting hairlined ski-nosed mother****er since his inception, he is not a master physical combatant, but rather a master showman and strategist. but sometimes i think maybe youre right, the character's cleverness really isnt enough, since he never really beats bats anyway, why not have him be able to put up a fist-fight at least. I'm reminded of "The Batman", which say what you will about it, offered a superior, more threatening and interesting version of Riddler to B:TAS(yeh get past the marilyn manson look and evaluate the character himself)

Now don't get me wrong KD, I did like the more agressive Riddler in "The Batman", but the look did not suit him like it did in BTAS (nor did any look for any of those villains except for Mr. Freeze). The Riddler was not always a weak geek, if you see him in the 1966 Batman, he was at times a smooth prettyboy. I would truely be pissed if The Riddler was portrayed as a weak geek in the film, even SCARECROW of all villains posed a threat and look cool doing it. What's the use of having a great action packed movie with one of the major villains as weak as a middle school kid? Not very interesting is it? To make the best Riddler, use the same concept as the other villains, and take all of the darkest elements from his history. The Riddler has many incarnations to choose from, and just like (and I hate mentioning these to in the same sentence) TDK Joker, elements from other characters can be used to make him better than he ever was. I think that we all deserve to see more of a BTAS take on him, since we already have Jim Carey's Gorshin take. Something a bit more grown up and serious. ( PLEASE No one say "Why so serious"...eventhough it's pretty tempting)

 

[General_Obol]

Well i think that many roles have been recasted and the new actor played the character as his predecessor left him.

True, but within the same continuity they've never been for an iconic character or really well-acclaimed, with the exception of Robert De Niro replacing Marlon Brando as Vito Corleone for the Godfather II. But that was more for the purposes of needing a younger actor rather than simply getting a new one.

And for the record, it's not just another actor playing the Joker I don't like. I didn't like Maggie Gyllenhal replacing Katie Holmes and I really don't like Don Cheadle replacing Terrence Howard in Iron Man 2.

 

[Laderlappen]

Unless Im mistaken Boba Fett didnt get that popular until after Return of the Jedi was made which is the reason they killed him off so easily. He didnt really have that much screentime in Empire.

People say 'The joker isnt Ledger's only'. That is true to every character in movie history. Recasting still shouldnt be done. Not by performances on that level atleast. That is my opinion on that.

 

[Ekricket]

#1 most annoying thing I have heard is people constantly claiming to know for "100% certain" or "it has to be this way" or "that would be stupid" regarding anything concerning any third Nolan Batman movie. Everyone of these suggestions should start out with the disclaimer "in my opinion" or "i don't know, but it might be cool if....."
Anyone who is stating anything for a fact on these boards right now regarding a third film is so ****ing full of **** that they stink worse than the load of crap the government is shoving down our throats nowadays.

 

[Mr. Earle]

True, but within the same continuity they've never been for an iconic character or really well-acclaimed, with the exception of Robert De Niro replacing Marlon Brando as Vito Corleone for the Godfather II. But that was more for the purposes of needing a younger actor rather than simply getting a new one.

And for the record, it's not just another actor playing the Joker I don't like. I didn't like Maggie Gyllenhal replacing Katie Holmes and I really don't like Don Cheadle replacing Terrence Howard in Iron Man 2.

I agree but sometimes its necessary. Howard was **** in IM and Ledger passed away. Besides, under all this makeup the difference in the actor's face wont be so visible.

 

[NotAHenchwench]

This has probably been said a few times, but I'm really sick of hearing about Catwoman, and Depp wanting to play the Riddler.

...Actually, I'm pretty much sick of ALL the suggestions I've heard.

As far as the Joker being recast is concerned, I agree that The Joker doesn't belong to Ledger. He did a fantastic job, but I don't think he's the end all of Jokers. I think that someone else could bring just as much to the table if he's got the ability. The character of the Joker is what's important. It's similar to how the Joker is drawn differently in different artists' perspectives in the comics. It's all relative. On the other hand, for continuities sake, I kind of wish they wont do anything and just let sleeping dogs lay. It irritated me that Rachel was played by 2 different people (even though I preferred Gyllenhal as an actress).

Lol, and this is why I'm going to leave it up to Nolan to do what he wants to do. But it wont be the end of the world by a long shot.

 

[General_Obol]

I agree but sometimes its necessary. Howard was **** in IM and Ledger passed away. Besides, under all this makeup the difference in the actor's face wont be so visible.

I'm just uncertain about how Cheadle's gonna handle the character. And replacing Katie Holmes was kind of pointless. Maggie Gyllenhal doesn't really look attractive and if they were just going to kill her off anyway might. They could have at least played to the fans and killed off Katie Holmes.

And for all we know, maybe Nolan never planned on the Joker returning for another film. They could have done away with him like I said: kill him off between the two films. Then again, Nolan is on record as never actually planning out films as a series, he does them one at a time. Which I guess leaves him flexible to do anything he really wants to do.

Another annoying suggestion I keep hearing is that including Harley Quinn is the only way to play off the fact that Heath Ledger died. As previously stated, they could recast (as unwise as I think that might be). The next villain could even claim to be the Joker's successor of some sorts. No matter what, no character that hasn't been introduced yet HAS to be included.

As far as the Joker being recast is concerned, I agree that The Joker doesn't belong to Ledger. He did a fantastic job, but I don't think he's the end all of Jokers. I think that someone else could bring just as much to the table if he's got the ability. The character of the Joker is what's important. It's similar to how the Joker is drawn differently in different artists' perspectives in the comics. It's all relative. On the other hand, for continuities sake, I kind of wish they wont do anything and just let sleeping dogs lay. It irritated me that Rachel was played by 2 different people (even though I preferred Gyllenhal as an actress).

thanks that's what I've been trying to say just not really successful at it.

 

[chamber-music]

Saying whatever flavour of the month actor or actress should this or that character which is mostly based on a rise in media profile and not on any kind of acting ability or ability to play the character.

Demanding Catwoman must be the female love intrest in the next movie. I don't dislike Catwoman and don't mind if she is or isn't in the film but another Nolan Batfilm would work fine without her just as it would Robin who I don't mind if his in or not in the movie.

 

[DarkestHero]

Robin.

'Nuff said.

 

[Laderlappen]

I just rememberd I heard one pretty stupid the other day. Someone said Sam Worthington should replace Bale because he outshone him in terminator.

 

[General_Obol]

I just rememberd I heard one pretty stupid the other day. Someone said Sam Worthington should replace Bale because he outshone him in terminator.

Yeah that's pretty much takes the cake.

 

[Ion Kenshin]

Also along the lined of Catwoman. My favorite are the peopl who say Megan Fox should do it if Angelina won't. I swear fanboys need to stop thinking with their penis

 

[General_Obol]

Also along the lined of Catwoman. My favorite are the peopl who say Megan Fox should do it if Angelina won't. I swear fanboys need to stop thinking with their penis

Most of the people fanboys request to play roles (specifically the female ones) are ill though out. Angelina Jolie and Megan Fox are pretty atrocius actresses. Jolie can pull a good one out of her fat, bloated lips every once and a while, but that's not nearly redeeming for Wanted, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, and the Tomb Raider movies. And it seemed people only started saying Marion Cotillard after she won the Oscar for La Vie en Rose, but I could be mistaken on that.

I really don't like when fanboys post stuff without first listening to what Nolan already said. Catwoman, the Penguin, and Robin have been ruled out. Harvey Dent is considered dead. The Riddler has been hinted at. Villains that haven't been done in films before are being considered. GET OVER IT.

 

[Laderlappen]

Most of the people fanboys request to play roles (specifically the female ones) are ill though out. Angelina Jolie and Megan Fox are pretty atrocius actresses. Jolie can pull a good one out of her fat, bloated lips every once and a while, but that's not nearly redeeming for Wanted, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, and the Tomb Raider movies. And it seemed people only started saying Marion Cotillard after she won the Oscar for La Vie en Rose, but I could be mistaken on that.

I really don't like when fanboys post stuff without first listening to what Nolan already said. Catwoman, the Penguin, and Robin have been ruled out. Harvey Dent is considered dead. The Riddler has been hinted at. Villains that haven't been done in films before are being considered. GET OVER IT.

No she hasnt.

 

[The Joker]

I haven't heard about Penguin being ruled out either.

 

[General_Obol]

I haven't heard about Penguin being ruled out either.

Nolan's said "There are certain characters that are easier to mesh with the more real take on Batman we're doing. The Penguin would be tricky."

Personally, I don't see why. Nolan's also said that if he does do the Penguin he would consider Phillip Seymour Hoffman in the part.

 

[The Joker]

I don't see how him saying Penguin being tricky is ruling him out. He's one of the more realistic of Batman's enemies.

Ra's Al Ghul and Two Face are far more unrealistic than a short fat guy in a tux.

 

[General_Obol]

I don't see how him saying Penguin being tricky is ruling him out. He's one of the more realistic of Batman's enemies.

Ra's Al Ghul and Two Face are far more unrealistic than a short fat guy in a tux.

I know; I don't understand why Nolan's having trouble with the Penguin.

Then again, I'd much rather see villains that haven't been used before. Batman has too good a Rogue's gallery to be seeing the same few villains in every installment.

 

[Laderlappen]

I dont think the realism is the reason that he think Penguin would be difficult. I think he think the character is too corny to fit the movies.

 

[WeaponXProject]

True, but within the same continuity they've never been for an iconic character or really well-acclaimed, with the exception of Robert De Niro replacing Marlon Brando as Vito Corleone for the Godfather II. But that was more for the purposes of needing a younger actor rather than simply getting a new one.

And for the record, it's not just another actor playing the Joker I don't like. I didn't like Maggie Gyllenhal replacing Katie Holmes and I really don't like Don Cheadle replacing Terrence Howard in Iron Man 2.

But do you agree that not atleast referencing him would be a vital mistake. Falconi, I think, needed to be mentioned in TDK and was. And even Nolan felt the need to show Scarecrow on the streets again to conclude what had happened to him. Like I said, a sound recording from an interview or a newspaper blip about what's going on with him in Arkham...something of that is necessary.

 

[General_Obol]

But do you agree that not atleast referencing him would be a vital mistake. Falconi, I think, needed to be mentioned in TDK and was. And even Nolan felt the need to show Scarecrow on the streets again to conclude what had happened to him. Like I said, a sound recording from an interview or a newspaper blip about what's going on with him in Arkham...something of that is necessary.

Of course. I think it would be best to kill him off between the two films and work the backlash from that into the storyline.

 

[Eric Brooks]

I know; I don't understand why Nolan's having trouble with the Penguin.

fo realz. He did Two Face but he won't do Penguin? doesn't make any sense

 

[Marginal Man]

for me

JGL as Joker, just cause he looks like Heath. this argument is usually made by people who wanna act like Heath being dead is no big deal and the role should continue, yet they wanna cast someone based solely on the fact that he looks just like heath and could probly do a good impression. I f were gonna move on , then lets really move on.


The idea of the riddler as a rogue federal agent . cute but no. Riddler with a government badge, turns me off in so many ways, no matter how intriguing the plot you build around it.


The use of Dark Knight Returns as a possible title. you are all aware there is a seminal graphic novel with the exact same title, and that the plot of batman 3 will most likely share zero resemblance with it, correct?


Deadshot, Deathstroke, Bane. or any other generic mercenary badass character being added.

Thanks for typing all of this out for me, I was too lazy.

You are 100% correct on ALL accounts.

I have now have a renewed faith in comic book/movie fans, message board users, and humanity in general.

I realize everyone is entitled to their opinion but I wish people could see that Bane is the comic book character equivalent to bad Nu Metal in almost every respect. they have so much in common whether it be their fanbase, style of clothing/masks, same old tired and rehashed story, and very surface level in entertainment value.

Bane was the epitome of everything wrong with popular comics in the 90's and was just an obvious attempt at a cash in on the IMAGE muscle bound trend. The only thing cool about Bane was that at the time, "DC" stood for "dumb comics" to me and my friends but "knightfall/knights end" and the "death of superman" storylines got us buying into the world of DC again and lead me to cooler stories like "kingdom come" and anything vertigo had to offer. the actual crossover events that led us there were just reminders that they could shake things up still, even if it was all pretty pretentious and over all trash.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Of course. I think it would be best to kill him off between the two films and work the backlash from that into the storyline.

I think that's a terrible idea...I hope you are joking. That would be such a downer to the audience to see the most beloved comic book villain thrown under a bus. Think about that. All that epic talk about the Joker and Bats future. All the history of the character and they don't go down in a battle against eachother? I would rather the next movie mention him and leave the rest to the imagination of the viewer as being the future of the Joker/Bats showdown.

No way, man, no way.

That suggestion should be in this thread.

 

[Laderlappen]

fo realz. He did Two Face but he won't do Penguin? doesn't make any sense

Like I said, he is probably not talking about realism.

I think that's a terrible idea...I hope you are joking. That would be such a downer to the audience to see the most beloved comic book villain thrown under a bus. Think about that. All that epic talk about the Joker and Bats future. All the history of the character and they don't go down in a battle against eachother? I would rather the next movie mention him and leave the rest to the imagination of the viewer as being the future of the Joker/Bats showdown.

No way, man, no way.

That suggestion should be in this thread.

I agree. Killing him off off-screen is a horrible and unnecassary idea.