Would You Have Prefered a Smallville Movie?

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Zing79 said:
The last few days have made this thread extremely relevant again.

SV fans got run out of the SR board because we didn't know anything about Superman, and were supporting a franchise (and actor) that did more harm then good to the character. We got pushed out, because we weren't real fans, and we didn't REALLY know how much the general public would love this new movie -- forgoing all things SV as they feel into that love.

SV has made enough money in NET profit (keep focus of the fact I’m saying net, and not gross) already to have earned itself a 200 million dollar budgeted movie (and that budget STILL wouldn't have eaten all the profits its made over the last 5 years). The fans of SV who have paid up in MANY different ways over the years deserve their movie, but barring a miracle run at the BO from SR, they'll likely never get it.

We sit here today, watching a board full of "real" Superman fans being utterly perplexed as to why their beloved character failed to live up to expectations. We sit here today watching a board full of “real” Superman fans backtrack on statements made months and months ago (about the surefire popularity of SR).

I take it all the way back to the famous MSNBC poll. 75% of the general public knew what it wanted. Many in “there” stood up and said: “no, they’ll be told what it is they want through the sheer awesomeness of this awesome movie.” I guess everyone should have been paying attention, because the general public really was trying to say something.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9399989&postcount=731

Would you have prefered this film to be based off Smallville? Would that have made a difference in the box office?

Keep in mind the majority of Smallville bought tickets and saw the film anyways.
 
You know, I voted yes, but what I would really like is a two hour Smallville special/movie tieing the series together at the end with a big Hollywood budget. Something huge showing Clark going from small town local hero, to Superman; defender of Metropolous. That is what I would like.:up:
 
Keep in mind that not everyone watches Smallville
 
Who the hell is Zing 79!!!! (he is the guy that wrote the qouted post in the first post about some crap)

Alot of us are real Superman fans because most of us have loved the character since we were 3 years old or so and this Smallville fan who just juimpedin the bandwagon and know nothing about the characters, we have emotional ties witih the chracters...who is he to talk about us real Superman fans.

Pick up a comic book or watch Superman TAS or somethig, Zing79...thanMAYBE we can talk like EQUALS!!!! I'm not afraid of u man come get me!

:)
 
Superpowers said:
Would you have preferred this film to be based off Smallville?
This a trick question? What film? :p

Aight, J/K. Yes, I would have LOVED to have seen a SV feature film the last time I ventured into the theater. I get VERY excited just to see new episodes on TV, so I'm pretty confident a film version of the show would keep me on the edge of my seat. I don't think I would groan, mockingly laugh, or face palm even once during such a film.

Would that have made a difference in the box office?
You mean what do I think such a film could do domestically? Way hard to say. B.O. is a very unpredictable animal. I think I'd have better odds guessing tomorrow's lottery numbers.

Keep in mind the majority of Smallville bought tickets and saw the film anyways.
WoM is probably more important for a SV film. Then again, WoM is important for ALL theatrically released films. If you're only depending on a core audience to sell tickets, even repeat customers are not going to guarantee a boffo B.O. A SV film would also have to overcome existing audience biases. For example, would you market it as a SV film, or a Superman movie? Technically, both are correct, but there might be more mainstream reluctance to see a film that folks see as being based on a TV show, rather than a comic book character. Again, both are correct, but the perception is very different.

Then there's content. Do you take the "touchy feely" character route, or do you go all out summer popcorn ala Michael Bay? I saw Spider-Man 2 again over the weekend, and I have to say I appreciated it a LOT more the second time I saw it than the first. Unlike SV, it's a movie that doesn't take itself too seriously. The filmmakers are given a lot of latitude because of that. That's not necessarily an argument for camp, but if they were to adapt SV for a feature film, they'd HAVE to keep character motivations realistic. It HAS to make sense. Lex Luthor, for example, is a character who thinks he's doing the right thing for mankind. He's not a mad scientist or crazed lunatic willing to kill billions of people for personal gain. If the director wants a villain like that, they can't have the characters take themselves too seriously. I don't think it would work.

Regardless of the level of realism though, a SV film needs to have a sense of humor. The wittier the banter the better. Here's an excerpt of dialog from Gone. This is the kind of stuff that keeps audiences laughing with the characters, not *at* them...

Lois: Nothing like a little North by Northwest action to get the blood pumping, huh?

Clark: Um... we usually take turns in the bathroom.

Lois: Oh, don't start with me, Smallville. You're the one taking the marathon shower. Besides, my delicate feminine sensibilities weren't offended the first time I got a glimpse of, uh, Clark Junior.

Clark: My parents kind of missed the whole Woodstock phase. Besides, they freaked out the last time they caught me in a co-ed situation.

Lois: Last time? So the eagle scout does have a few secrets in the closet.

Clark: Just forget it, all right? That's my shirt!

Lois: It's the only thing I could find that was clean. Hey, let's keep this morning's game of chopper tag a secret, okay?

Clark: Right. Because I'm the one who can't keep my mouth shut. Mom...

Martha: Hi.

Clark: ...You're home.

Lois: Hi, Mrs. Kent.

[cut to next scene]

Lois: I don't understand what the big deal is here. We just took a shower.

Clark: Showers. We took separate showers.

Martha: At noon?

Lois: We were just...

Clark: We went to Chloe's safe house.

Clark: These guys showed up and chased us into a field, and there was all this dirt.

Jonathan: Clark, that is a federal crime scene. And the last thing that we want is for you two kids to get involved with the FBI.

Lois: Whoever it was, we don't need to worry 'cause their chopper is face first in the middle of the field. [pause] Your non-verbals are killing me, and this seems like it's a family matter, so... I'm just gonna get out of the way. [to Clark] Way to go.

Jonathan: Please tell me that you did not crash that helicopter.​

Another thing I'd like to see SV do, both in the series and for a potential film, is show more joy as Clark slowly learns to accept who he is and know his destiny. He carries the weight of the world on his shoulders, but he should eventually get over that angsty part of his demeanor. Batman is the brooder. Superman is more a ray of sunshine, no pun intended. He will always see himself as an outsider, but he's at peace with himself.

And finally, folks shouldn't need to see the show in order to understand the history of the characters. While an origin story isn't necessarily as important, a SV film *should* start from scratch as much as possible. For example, if Clark and Lois don't get together romantically during the series (the most likely scenario), then their relationship - if there is to be one in a film (most likely) - needs to be shown from scratch in said film. Audiences connect better with characters if they take the journey with them, verses being told about a pre-existing love through cold dialog exposition.

This of course is all moot right now 'cause I wouldn't want a SV film until AFTER the series is done, and that (hopefully) won't be for another two years.

[fingers crossed]
 
boywonder13 said:
Who the hell is Zing 79!!!! (he is the guy that wrote the qouted post in the first post about some crap)

Alot of us are real Superman fans because most of us have loved the character since we were 3 years old or so and this Smallville fan who just juimpedin the bandwagon and know nothing about the characters, we have emotional ties witih the chracters...who is he to talk about us real Superman fans.

Pick up a comic book or watch Superman TAS or somethig, Zing79...thanMAYBE we can talk like EQUALS!!!! I'm not afraid of u man come get me!

:)
*Sigh*
I could respond but why do that? It only re-enforces the idea that you can be ignorant and still take part in a debate. So in lue of responding I’ll make jokes…
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Zing79 is the guy who was here before you, and he'll be the guy here after you.

Let's play a little game: it’s called who's dumber then a bag of rocks. Are you ready?
Here's how the game is played: if you pull something out of thin air without any regard for logic or common sense you're dumber then a bag of rocks. Now let's start the game retroactively, and see who "wins."
/reads quoted post again

Hey congrats, you won!
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Back to reality, if you're coming into this board thinking (EVEN FOR A SECOND), that most of the people in here know jack about Superman you'll find you're asking to get schooled. Many of the people here are hardcore Superman fans that were worshiping the character before you were an impulse in your dads head.

I can't wait to see SuperHulk come in here and drop the hardcore bomb on you. He'll (thankfully) tie up your ignorance for a good week with back and forth posts exposing you as the young Padawon to his Jedi.

Edit: :)
 
Hi Zing79! I'm not a Padawan in Superman Mythos....I would say more like Yoda, I mean Yoda's TeachER!

I dont feel like flaming anybody and also I had a smiley at the end of my post. I was freakin joking man!

;P :) :P

CHILAX!!!!!
 
boywonder13 said:
Hi Zing79! I'm not a Padawan in Superman Mythos....I would say more like Yoda, I mean Yoda's TeachER!

I dont feel like flaming anybody and also I had a smiley at the end of my post. I was freakin joking man!

;P :) :P

CHILAX!!!!!
In that case let me make a slight alteration to my post. In all seriousness I'm not pleased someone decided to get quote happy with one of my posts, and use it for their own personal means. I'm going to be very snippy with anyone lobbing insults at me (even in joke form) in a debate I didn't start.
 
Brainiac 8 said:
You know, I voted yes, but what I would really like is a two hour Smallville special/movie tieing the series together at the end with a big Hollywood budget. Something huge showing Clark going from small town local hero, to Superman; defender of Metropolous. That is what I would like.:up:

I almost agree with you, Brainiac 8. I voted no--because if we had a Smallville movie in place of SR, then we wouldn't have gotten the most excellent and amazing Season 5. While I enjoy movies, I prefer the scope of character development that television offers. That said, like you posted, I would really love to see a Smallville / Metropolis 2-hour television event with a movie-like budget to cap off CK's Smallville years. :)
 
Obsidian said:
Keep in mind that not everyone watches Smallville

is there truely anything that everyone does watch? :confused:



AS for the question, if you just meant this same film with Singer and Smallville actors, then hell no because the story/plot of that film was the weakest link. If you mean in a new film that was based off of SV's continuity in some way and was picking up earlier in the character's careers, then by all means, yes. So when you see my "yes" know thats what I meant
 
No, SV is good where it's at.
 
The Incredible Hulk said:
AS for the question, if you just meant this same film with Singer and Smallville actors, then hell no because the story/plot of that film was the weakest link. If you mean in a new film that was based off of SV's continuity in some way and was picking up earlier in the character's careers, then by all means, yes. So when you see my "yes" know thats what I meant

I'm following the statements made by counsel :up:

Now to figure out what the definition of "is" is :D
 
in my book, it actually is a Small Movie every week.. :)
 
Superman Returns was better where it was at, Development Hell.

In my opinion, we did not get a bad Superman Movie, but we sure as heck didnt get a good one either. People need to stop raggin on Smallville, its no worse then the movie in theaters now. Neither are perfect.

I would love it if Smallville had some Telemovies or got movied to like HBO or something.

And this high horse people are on about who is more of a Superman fan is moronic. Where the F do you people get off.
 
I would have prefered an original Superman film that would either pick up where the show ends or something totally new with Tom, Rosenbaum and Erica.
 
as has been stated before, Smallville movie = end of Smallville show = not cool.

I loved Superman Returns from beginning to end and I cannot wait for the next installment...I really wish all the lovers of the various available universes could simply agree to disagree, but even that seems more nostalgic than the movie currently in theatres.
 
You could very easily place Welling, Rosenbaum, and Durance in Returns, along with O'toole, with very little script changes. Not to mention the voice of Terrence Stamp.

In all reality, it would be very easy to do a movie with the Smallville cast that, with good writing, could act as a stand alone film for people who don't watch Smallville and a continuation for those who do.
 
For me it would have been the way to go if WB wanted to "restart the franchise" Why u ask? well if the movie was based on Smallville story then they didnt have to waist money in making sceens of a young Clark since they had that story coverd and if ppl didnt know that Smallville existed they would have found out after the movie and then bought the Smallville DVDs. I belive the Smallville story is more focusd in the comic books than the new movie. Yes is true that Smallville writers and producers have taken some libertys with the mythos but it dosent effect the main character in any way, some characters where changed and they have added some but it has actully helpd the story.
 
retconned said:
You could very easily place Welling, Rosenbaum, and Durance in Returns, along with O'toole, with very little script changes. Not to mention the voice of Terrence Stamp.
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no thanks. I'd rather have them in something more original. Plus our Superman has already learned lessons that the other guy apparently never did so it'd be very out of character.
 
The Incredible Hulk said:
no thanks. I'd rather have them in something more original. Plus our Superman has already learned lessons that the other guy apparently never did so it'd be very out of character.

.... least of all that our Tom isnt a peeping one. ;)
 
I enjoyed watching the season finale of smallville then I did of Superman Returns(Lame movie).
 
unfortunatly for me, I thought both were bad. Though Smallville did things like the death of Superman waaaaayyyyy better IMO.
 

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