Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[TheNewSlayer]

that was likely a joke

It wasn't a joke. Is on their contract.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Instead we just got a movie that made a billion dollars about the ideological struggles between Captain America and Iron Man.

The film was marketed on that ideological battle. It wasn't called Avengers: Age of Zemo. The X-men films never feature the X-men in any effective capacity. It's always Charles vs Eric: ideology war.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It wasn't a joke. Is on their contract.

what is on their contract? that if one doesn't come back neither of them do? i doubt that very much

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Spider-man had the full faith of the studio and the budget to achieve a real Spidey on screen. Singer did amazingly with the budget and the harsh late cuts to the budget but that meant he could create a good film but not a visual feast like seeing Spidey for the first time. Imagine the situations reversed and them coming up with a passable Spidey costume on a guy (no CGI) like the guy in Disneyland (which actually looks pretty cool lol) and then getting a big budget X-Men with no expense spared as a follow up to that Spidey's success. If Avengers had come out in 2000 with X1's budget and X1 come out in 2012 with Avengers' budget I think the GA would be regarding the 2 properties very differently. Everything is easy in hindsight of course but if you asked comic fans before this CBM generation they wouldn't necessarily all be telling you that an Avengers film would smash an X-Men film. I think it's more about the execution than the underlying property being weak.

Does any of this change the reality of the situation?

 

[Mysteryman]

Two years in a row it has been rather horrible.

If the sutdios released movies that people actually wanted to see, that wouldn't be a problem.

 

[sleekstereo]

This box office is an under performance.

Singer won't be back for the next film, and would be a producer instead.

The studio will make some changes, I don't know what that is, but for sure it will be bringing in an established yet forward thinking director. Honestly, they should get Whedon or Vaughn.

 

[Tymminator]

This is getting old.They had devolpment of cyclops and Jean in apocalypse.after the box office Lawrence is pretty much out the door.Fassbender could be as well.With Singer gone you still are going to have kinberg writing.whoever directs next film is going to have to do it
with much lower budget than last stand,DOFP,and Apocalypse get.

People are always going to moan about X-men films.why is my favorate doesn't get the focus like such and such.If cyclops and jean get main focus of next full X-men film others will still complain.

Dude,that ain't moaning it's a legit concern that may mean nothing to you, but to ignore it is a serious folly.

We are it talking about what our "favorite" is, we are talking about THE WHOLE FREAKING TEAM. There is no excuse for the focus to be about the same people over and over when many great characters never shine at all and at most have a few lines and strike a pose.

Moaning is what YOU are doing, over and over, so don't tell me what's "getting old" when you are whining over and over about the same stuff but don't want to listen to any viewpoints to fix the issue except what you think is correct.

 

[Zero_Effect]

The film was marketed on that ideological battle. It wasn't called Avengers: Age of Zemo. The X-men films never feature the X-men in any effective capacity. It's always Charles vs Eric: ideology war.

Well that has been kind of a big deal in the comics for a long time. Its not something made up for the movies.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Exactly.

They thought that critics would love the movie. There was a screening in Las Vegas that was a hit, so maybe they thought that critics would right good reviews.

They have to on the next X-Men movie:

- Release on the same weekend for the whole world, specially US.
- Hold the reviews until the release day. (even if they think it will get good ones)
- Focus on the new x-men team showed in the end of the movie and have them using their costumes. Just let the black suit die.
- Not spoil so much of the movie on the trailers.
- Don't promote the actors, promote the characters. If actors like Jennifer and Nick don't want to be blue then don't hire them for this movie, use new characters instead who will accept the terms. I'm not saying use another actor to play Beast and Mystique, just don't use them in the movie. To be fair Mystique doesn't walk naked in the comics, this was wrong in the movies to begin with. Bryan is ashamed to use costumes. Notice how we only see costumes in the last scene of the movie. The last scene! So if people don't like the costumes it doesn't affect him, cause he can always go back to black suits.

They put magneto,Psylocke,archangel,and storm in colorful outfits.the colorful outfits at end was about setting up future.

Singer is gone from films now.as is Lawrence.Mcavoy could be only FC actor to return with those under contract from apocalypse.

whoever Kinberg brings on to direct will tell us what kind of film this is.it could be a deadpool or MCU torn film but with smaller budget that MCU films.

 

[marvelrobbins]

This box office is an under performance.

Singer won't be back for the next film, and would be a producer instead.

The studio will make some changes, I don't know what that is, but for sure it will be bringing in an established yet forward thinking director. Honestly, they should get Whedon or Vaughn.

Singer won't be back at all.he shouldn't even produce it.leave that to kinberg.
whedon would be terrable choice.besides unlikely since kinberg will likely be writing.why i have no idea.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Personally if it was up to me id make them do another time travel story for the next X-Men movie, use deadpool 2's ending to set up the next X-Men movie where deadpool and cable travel back to the past.

Now obviously you could say why not just cross deadpool and cable over with the present X-Men... well you could do that but if they decide to have cable be a time travel then there is no reason why they can't do real time travel and meet the new cast, admittedly it would open the question of whether time travel would change the future but honestly i couldn't care less personally.

I doubt fox have anyone to actually plan this sorta thing out but yeah that would feel like a pretty big event movie.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Well that has been kind of a big deal in the comics for a long time. Its not something made up for the movies.

That's a small part of the wider lexicon of the X-men comics. Not remotely big enough to repeat ad naseum like they do in the movies.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Dude,that ain't moaning it's a legit concern that may mean nothing to you, but to ignore it is a serious folly.

We are it talking about what our "favorite" is, we are talking about THE WHOLE FREAKING TEAM. There is no excuse for the focus to be about the same people over and over when many great characters never shine at all and at most have a few lines and strike a pose.

Moaning is what YOU are doing, over and over, so don't tell me what's "getting old" when you are whining over and over about the same stuff but don't want to listen to any viewpoints to fix the issue except what you think is correct.

to start with Mcavoy may be only first class actor to return so both mystique and magneto will likely be gone.they are already probally planning to give cyclops and jean even more focus than In Apocalypse.Storm will likely get
lareger role than In Apocalypse.so they have already dealt with the issue that so many moan about.vaughn focused on exactly the same characters they moan about and yet people treat him as god.some won't be sastified till X-men is carbon copy of MCU with comedy overblown with little of the drama,seriousness,and allegary that made X-men different and under devolped villains.

 

[superweirdo87]

Personally if it was up to me id make them do another time travel story for the next X-Men movie, use deadpool 2's ending to set up the next X-Men movie where deadpool and cable travel back to the past.

Now obviously you could say why not just cross deadpool and cable over with the present X-Men... well you could do that but if they decide to have cable be a time travel then there is no reason why they can't do real time travel and meet the new cast, admittedly it would open the question of whether time travel would change the future but honestly i couldn't care less personally.

I doubt fox have anyone to actually plan this sorta thing out but yeah that would feel like a pretty big event movie.

I think you have to be careful with time travel. If you use it too much, it becomes a gimmick. Also, if you've seen it before, the magic kind of wears off.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Personally if it was up to me id make them do another time travel story for the next X-Men movie, use deadpool 2's ending to set up the next X-Men movie where deadpool and cable travel back to the past.

Now obviously you could say why not just cross deadpool and cable over with the present X-Men... well you could do that but if they decide to have cable be a time travel then there is no reason why they can't do real time travel and meet the new cast, admittedly it would open the question of whether time travel would change the future but honestly i couldn't care less personally.

I doubt fox have anyone to actually plan this sorta thing out but yeah that would feel like a pretty big event movie.

you would have a deadpool and X-men film.exactly what people have been
cpmplaning about for years with wolverine.I doudt very much deadpool now will ever be in film without being lead or co-lead.similar to stark in MCU.He become co-lead in cap 3 and spider-man MCU reboot.Deadpool will probally be co-lead of X-force.Cable will probally form team but a lot of focus will be on deadpool.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think you have to be careful with time travel. If you use it too much, it becomes a gimmick. Also, if you've seen it before, the magic kind of wears off.

If cable is a time traveler in the next deadpool movie then they have that door open to do it anyway.

I mean cable may not be a time traveler in deadpool 2 but its kinda hard to believe he won't be since i dunno how they would use his character otherwise.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think a big part of the problem is that Fox superhero films just look cheap compared to most other major blockbusters, whether it is other superhero franchises or other blockbusters like Jurassic World, Star Wars, etc.

From the costumes to the SFX, they look like films from 15 years ago. That makes these films a tough sell in terms of marketing, and they have nothing to fall back on when the story/characterization is underwhelming.

Fox really needs to do something to get the look of these films up to modern standards.

 

[Tymminator]

to start with Mcavoy may be only first class actor to return so both mystique and magneto will likely be gone.they are already probally planning to give cyclops and jean even more focus than In Apocalypse.Storm will likely get
lareger role than In Apocalypse.so they have already dealt with the issue that so many moan about.vaughn focused on exactly the same characters they moan about and yet people treat him as god.some won't be sastified till X-men is carbon copy of MCU with comedy overblown with little of the drama,seriousness,and allegary that made X-men different and under devolped villains.

What you're talking about is conjecture, what you think they are planning based off what you think. What I'm talking about is what I have actually watched. Just because they introduce a few characters in a movie doesn't mean they are setting them up for bigger roles as X-Men in the next movie.

For example after First Class, several people were telling me how Banshee, Beast and Havok we're going to be in the forefront and they're gonna bring in new X-Men like maybe Emma will turn good, etc and that never happened.

Banshee was killed off screen, Emma was killed offscreen, so they managed to get rid of the new people and still focused on the same people they always focus on.

That said, even if they are "setting up" now, it's too late. They are doing something now they should have done awhile ago.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

You want success, you have to model it. More than half of the Avengers were given solo films to fully develop the characters first, accompanied by hype teasers in bonus scenes that built up to the team's debut so that everybody and their mothers were there to see it!

So what does Apocalypse do? It gives ample screen time to Magneto who's already had tons of development in the previous two -especially First Class, and it even finds a way to give time to Logan who's had six other films of development! A scene or two is not much development for the new characters to make the audience care about them. A movie or two is.

And the trendy decade gaps aren't helping for development at all, especially when they keep losing characters in between (or doing little with them -Havok). It's wasteful, so XM: Apocalypse was forced to do waaay too much in one film. This particular villain -more than any other- requires more development time which he was forced to share with a large quantity of new characters all crammed into one film which is why you see "boated" and other similar terms in the reviews -negative reviews which do impact box office results!

This is a mess and I think they need to reboot rather than continue these ridiculous decade jumps, and they cant stay in the 80s. It's not working, and thus not selling. The characters do not look ten or twenty (and next is thirty!) years older either.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

Personally if it was up to me id make them do another time travel story for the next X-Men movie, use deadpool 2's ending to set up the next X-Men movie where deadpool and cable travel back to the past.

Now obviously you could say why not just cross deadpool and cable over with the present X-Men... well you could do that but if they decide to have cable be a time travel then there is no reason why they can't do real time travel and meet the new cast, admittedly it would open the question of whether time travel would change the future but honestly i couldn't care less personally.

I doubt fox have anyone to actually plan this sorta thing out but yeah that would feel like a pretty big event movie.

I like new ideas like this.

But Kinberg only have boring ideas. I know most people like to blame Singer but the writer is Kinberg and his stories are not good.

I feel like both Singer and Kinberg should step down and let someone else. But you another main problem????

It looks like nobody at Fox knows nothing about the comic books. They never get the characters's powers right, witch would be a very simple task to do. Any fan knows.

I'm not over the fact that Psylocke didn't use her telepathy in this movie and Angel probably don't have his healing factor either. I think doesn't even know what Psylocke can do.

For Kinberg and Singer and Fox in general the characters are just names from the property x-men. They don't care for they to be accurate.

Deadpool got teenage girl powers completely wrong. Basically the writers thought it was a cool name and decided to use the name of the character with a completely new character.

Also Colossus doesn't stay in metal form all the time. It was a huge mistake not to use the actor from DOFP as Colossus human form. They could have the CGI as his metal form and the actor as his human form. But the actor told EW that they didn't use him, just use his body and the voice wasn't going to be his either.

Looks like people overlook Deadpool's flaws cause of the box office success.

 

[marvelrobbins]

What you're talking about is conjecture, what you think they are planning based off what you think. What I'm talking about is what I have actually watched. Just because they introduce a few characters in a movie doesn't mean they are setting them up for bigger roles as X-Men in the next movie.

For example after First Class, several people were telling me how Banshee, Beast and Havok we're going to be in the forefront and they're gonna bring in new X-Men like maybe Emma will turn good, etc and that never happened.

Banshee was killed off screen, Emma was killed offscreen, so they managed to get rid of the new people and still focused on the same people they always focus on.

That said, even if they are "setting up" now, it's too late. They are doing something now they should have done awhile ago.

it was clear in FC who was going to be focus of trilogy-Xavier,magneto,and mystique.anyone who thought different was in denial.

the first class actors contracts are up.after apocalypse's performance you think they are going to spend heavily to get jennifer lawrence back who is proven not be much of a draw for X-men films.the next film is almost certinly going to have smaller budget.fassbender may be too pricy to return as well we will see on that.it's better that they don't.

Whoever is brought on to replace Singer may give you the mCU stype film you and others want.

 

[X-Maniac]

Lawrence said she had a pact with Fassbender and McAvoy that either they all come back or none of them do.

I don't think she was being very serious about that, to be honest.

And if there were such a 'pact', it's not the sort of thing they'd stick to in future, it was more than likely just banter on set or at one of the junkets; their return will all come down to script and salaries.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I like new ideas like this.

But Kinberg only have boring ideas. I know most people like to blame Singer but the writer is Kinberg and his stories are not good.

I feel like both Singer and Kinberg should step down and let someone else. But you another main problem????

It looks like nobody at Fox knows nothing about the comic books. They never get the characters's powers right, witch would be a very simple task to do. Any fan knows.

I'm not over the fact that Psylocke didn't use her telepathy in this movie and Angel probably don't have his healing factor either. I think doesn't even know what Psylocke can do.

For Kinberg and Singer and Fox in general the characters are just names from the property x-men. They don't care for they to be accurate.

Deadpool got teenage girl powers completely wrong. Basically the writers thought it was a cool name and decided to use the name of the character with a completely new character.

Also Colossus doesn't stay in metal form all the time. It was a huge mistake not to use the actor from DOFP as Colossus human form. They could have the CGI as his metal form and the actor as his human form. But the actor told EW that they didn't use him, just use his body and the voice wasn't going to be his either.

Looks like people overlook Deadpool's flaws cause of the box office success.

Singer is defently gone now.95% sure of that.just like i am sure kinberg won't be gone.

since deapool had colorful costumes people didn't care about flaws.since many want X-men to be like MCU they were pleased on all the comedy.

who knows what kind of tone the next film will have.if they hire whedon or
vaughn to replace singer and work with kinberg tone is more likely to be
like deadpool than X-men,X2,and DOFP.

 

[MadVillainy]

And gimmicks don't work twice, but you of course will ignore this.

you know I went to see the movie came back and was gonna reply to his/her posts but it's not worth it for that very reason
And jeez this thread jumped from page 9 to 15 in the 3 hrs I was gone

 

[sleekstereo]

I think a big part of the problem is that Fox superhero films just look cheap compared to most other major blockbusters, whether it is other superhero franchises or other blockbusters like Jurassic World, Star Wars, etc.

From the costumes to the SFX, they look like films from 15 years ago. That makes these films a tough sell in terms of marketing, and they have nothing to fall back on when the story/characterization is underwhelming.

Fox really needs to do something to get the look of these films up to modern standards.

That's a director choice, not studio. For example, Prometheus was made by Fox, and is one of the best visual films in the last decade. And that's because Ridley Scott is at the helm.