Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[ApophènX]

You're not alone and for the ages it is nipicking. They have original and interesting idea of exploring different times and everybody bash on it.

I didn't grow up in the 80's but Kingberg and Singer did so i trust thel to get the feeling right.

 

[fallenAngel]

Going into Apocalypse, I had no problem with Magneto and Mystique being in this. I mean, they're going up against one of the biggest villains in X-Men history so it made sense. Now that I've seen the movie though, I would have to agree - I wouldn't have had either of them in it if this is what we got from them, but they weren't going to drop Fassbender and Lawrence which is completely understandable. They just needed to write better roles for them.

I think the film would have worked better had they have made Professor X, Magneto, Mystique + one other character the horsemen from the beginning and not by their own choice - kind of like what they did in X-Men: Evolution. That way, it would have been a great opportunity to really shine the light on the younger team and have them work together to save the older generation.

People still would've complained about the young kids not being strong enough to take them on. And then the returning cast would've had even less to do, which was a primary complaint for critics.

They still wouldn't have won people over.

 

[ApophènX]

How idoes XA feel like a sequel to FC. They pretty much abandoned all the themes set up in that movie. Remember? 'Mutant and proud'. Mystique must have shown her true face twice in the entire movie. So many characters show a total betrayal of their character. All this was bad enough but to be boring as **** as well?! I want Singer gone.

For a few: Magneot not lying to woman on the opposite of Charles who stole their memory and try to control them (set in FC resolved in XMA). In FC Charle sis not alone on the contrary of Erik. It is the same zt the end of XMA. In beetwen Erik has understand that he "betrayed them". Erik dealing with his father figures, in FC Charles only leet woman and Erik men (at the begginign), resolve in XMA where he face the father figure of Apocalypse who call him his son. Erik trauma of aushwitz, resolved in XMA with the rebirth.

As for mutant and pround it is center to Mystique evolution. In opposite to Apocalypse who want to be seen and heard she is acting in the shadows. Like i say before this movie is about balance beetwen man and woman. So the movie ends with Charles letting go of his control ober womzn and Mystique taking charge of the X-Men.

It is easy to say Synger and Kingber did an awfull job, apparently more than understanding what they did or intended

 

[2kt09]

Far as I'm concerned, FC is brilliant, DoFP is good and XA is rubbish. That says to me the more influence on the X-Verse Vaughan had the better it got.
FC - Vaughan Director/ Goldman Script = Most influence
DoFP - Vaughan - Goldman Script = Less influence
XA - Not involved = No influence

Kingsman and DOFP are brilliant.
If FC is the most influence he's had, I'd rather keep him on story & scripting duties.

 

[YoungBlood]

How does XA feel like a sequel to FC? They pretty much abandoned all the themes set up in that movie. Remember? 'Mutant and proud'. Mystique must have shown her true face twice in the entire movie. So many characters show a total betrayal of their character. All this was bad enough but to be boring as **** as well?! I want Singer gone.

Yeah, because if I'm a well known international figure that revealed myself to a lot of people, the last thing I would do to draw attention is to stay as my true form, never mind that some might be still looking for me like Stryker.

 

[YoungBlood]

You're not alone and for the ages it is nipicking. They have original and interesting idea of exploring different times and everybody bash on it.

I didn't grow up in the 80's but Kingberg and Singer did so i trust thel to get the feeling right.

Because,"Its not what they want".

 

[GuestStar2004]

Going into Apocalypse, I had no problem with Magneto and Mystique being in this. I mean, they're going up against one of the biggest villains in X-Men history so it made sense. Now that I've seen the movie though, I would have to agree - I wouldn't have had either of them in it if this is what we got from them, but they weren't going to drop Fassbender and Lawrence which is completely understandable. They just needed to write better roles for them.

I think the film would have worked better had they have made Professor X, Magneto, Mystique + one other character the horsemen from the beginning and not by their own choice - kind of like what they did in X-Men: Evolution. That way, it would have been a great opportunity to really shine the light on the younger team and have them work together to save the older generation.

To be fair making them horseman wouldn't have been better roles for them, presumably brain washed horseman.

 

[SuperT]

You're not alone and for the ages it is nipicking. They have original and interesting idea of exploring different times and everybody bash on it.

No one is bashing it - the 60's setting was awesome in First Class and the 70's setting was great in DoFP as well. The problem with Apocalypse in the 80's is that there's nothing that helps center and ground it in that time period. With First Class you had the Cold War/Cuban Missile Crisis, in DoFP you had Reagan/French Peace Accords/Vietnam War - it helped ground those movies in those time periods. With Apocalypse, you don't have anything that really tells us its the 80's or grounds that movie in that time period, other than costuming and some musical cues. They didn't use the setting to the movies advantage like they did in the previous two.

I didn't have a problem with the aging thing between First Class and DoFP because honestly, people can still look relatively the same over the span of ten years. But jumping from 80's into the 90's is going to be an issue with ages. They didn't particularly age McAvoy or Fassbender up like they should have in Apocalypse - this issue is irrelevant with Mystique since a side-effect of her powers is that she ages at a slower rate than others. Same could be said for Beast if they had kept him in his Beast form for the entirety of both DoFP and Apocalypse.

 

[ApophènX]

It is not an obligation to use the 80's setting to it's full potential. Most of the movie beggin in foreign countries and that counted. The mall scene being erased.

The 80´s looked fun but they was a deal of body mutation in cinema. Angel scene echoes that to me. Logan starring at the camera was a reference i think but don't remember well, maybe Phantom of the Paradise has something like it.

. But on the overall mood of the film they really switch, like the Quicksilver scene. I think they tried to give it a 80's feeling and i dont know if they succed cuz i didn't lived in the 80's.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Kingsman and DOFP are brilliant.
If FC is the most influence he's had, I'd rather keep him on story & scripting duties.

except vaughn and goldman didn't write DOFP.love him or hate him Kinberg wrote DOFP.vaughn and goldman helped with kinberg devolping story.

having seen most of vaughn's films except for layer cake i have no problem.i prefer SInger's X-men films to his first class.Kingsman allowes him to go full on tribute to classic bond that he brought with him to first class.

 

[SuperT]

It is not an obligation to use the 80's setting to it's full potential.

It is when the previous two films went out of their way to anchor themselves to real life cultural events of those time periods. If they weren't going to use the 80's setting to it's full potential, than what's the point of jumping forward 10 years?

If that were the case, they should have just jumped 1-2 years after DoFP and stayed in the 70's.

 

[Frankeh]

Yeah but I think DOFP worked despite the screenplay, not thanks to it. I still think "...because he (JFK) was one of us" is a very cringe worthy scene.

Apocalypse was a mess precisely because of the screenplay. McAvoy in interviews jokingly called out that he had very dodgy lines in the script. It is sadly true.

Kinberg OUT as screenwriter. Goldman, Dougherty, Harris BRING THEM BACK.

 

[ApophènX]

It is when the previous two films went out of their way to anchor themselves to real life cultural events of those time periods. If they weren't going to use the 80's setting to it's full potential, than what's the point of jumping forward 10 years?

If that were the case, they should have just jumped 1-2 years after DoFP and stayed in the 70's.

That is why i said i think they tried to give it a feel of the 80's since the movie is more fun but still switchz moodz. Singer and Kingberg grew up in the 80's i think they did that, now i didn't live at that time so i cannot be sure.

You took the first sentence of my post, the rest was more informative

 

[SuperT]

Yeah but I think DOFP worked despite the screenplay, not thanks to it. I still think "...because he (JFK) was one of us" is a very cringe worthy scene.

Exactly. The overall story worked with DoFP which can help overcome some sore spots in the actual script. Apocalypse on the other hand had a sloppy story + script which equals bad news.

 

[Frankeh]

Exactly. The overall story worked with DoFP which can help overcome some sore spots in the actual script. Apocalypse on the other hand had a sloppy story + script which equals bad news.

Plus I've read that the original draft for DOFP is worse.

 

[spider-neil]

Wish someone would leak what Vaughn and Goldman were responsible for in DOFP and what Singer and Kinberg were responsible for.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Doesn't matter in the long run I doubt Vaughn will come back to the franchise

 

[SuperT]

Plus I've read that the original draft for DOFP is worse.

I do have a faint memory from reading these boards around the time DoFP was released that Kinbergs' screenplay did have to go through some heavy cleaning up and rewrites. Now, screenplays go through rewrites all the time so that's nothing out of the ordinary, but this seemed like it had some serious issues that needed to be fixed.

 

[spider-neil]

Doesn't matter in the long run I doubt Vaughn will come back to the franchise

Never say never.

 

[DarkSouls]

I do have a faint memory from reading these boards around the time DoFP was released that Kinbergs' screenplay did have to go through some heavy cleaning up and rewrites. Now, screenplays go through rewrites all the time so that's nothing out of the ordinary, but this seemed like it had some serious issues that needed to be fixed.

I feel like that was the one that ended with Apocalypse possessing Magneto and Colossus having all that cheesy dialogue.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Singer had as much if not more influence on First Class as Vaughn had on DOFP so why is Vaughn getting credit for the good stuff in DOFP but Singer doesn't get any credit for First Class? All this double standards are just ridiculous. X2 is still the best one tbh such a masterful way of handling so many characters while still telling a complex story, it probably has the most compelling action in the entire franchise as well.

 

[ApophènX]

What is fun is i think all the Vaughn, Singer and Kingberg and Whedon and all the otherz are really fond of the work of each other, i think from a story teller to another they see things we don't. There was an interview where the OP sayed he interviewed Deadpool writer or creative team znd they really liked the expertise of Kingberg, his dvice or what he brought.

I think there are more constructive things to say than: singer return, vaughn blahblah. I'm not use to approaching movies in this way but i think it takes alot of the magic out.

 

[fallenAngel]

That's true, for instance they could have got Bruce Campbell to play Reagan or use The Legacy Virus as an allegory for AIDS.

That would've been pretty cool and probably a better fit. Could've been unique and interesting.

The 80's setting really only added to Apocalypses culture shock. But I still understand that since this was the end of a trilogy, and the sixth main team movie that an Apocalypse/disaster big event movie was an obvious choice.

Honestly if it would've come out before Age of Ultron, people may not have complained about the 'Disaster Porn' as much.

Marvel just killed the escalation of global threat and left it for dead during phase two. Everyone one of their movies relied on mass destruction and it got old within a year - it'll be interesting to see what they have in mind for infinity war.

 

[spider-neil]

That would've been pretty cool and probably a better fit. Could've been unique and interesting.

The 80's setting really only added to Apocalypses culture shock. But I still understand that since this was the end of a trilogy, and the sixth main team movie that an Apocalypse/disaster big event movie was an obvious choice.

Honestly if it would've come out before Age of Ultron, people may not have complained about the 'Disaster Porn' as much.

Marvel just killed the escalation of global threat and left it for dead during phase two. Everyone one of their movies relied on mass destruction and it got old within a year - it'll be interesting to see what they have in mind for infinity war.

Disaster porn in space gets a pass

 

[YoungBlood]

Disaster porn in space gets a pass

Until it starts looking like something that came out of Star fox (I'm looking at you Independence Day).