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[josh8]

He'd make for a pretty weak horseman though.

Perhaps weaker than the others, but I think the horsemen are all a bit over-powered. In the comics, Dark Beast's function was based more on his intellect. This would have been a great way to develop Hoult's Beast because so far he's been such a sinkhole of boring-ness.

I do wish Bryan would once in a while make more inspired choices considering the amazing storylines available in the X-Men lore. The use of throwaway characters in DOFP was kind of a step (back) towards X:TLS to be honest.

 

[BoredGuy]

FC had some pretty useless throaway type characters too
The X-movies will never be lacking in dialogue-less henchmen

 

[Danbito]

I'd feel a stronger way to push Beast in the narrative would be that Hank has to set up to the plate and show more leadership with Xavier captured. Hank's always been in his shell, it would need a more natural feel to get him out of it than simply Apocalypse forcing him out to be his henchmen and when all is said and done, Hank just has to settle for changes made

 

[BeholdMe]

I'd feel a stronger way to push Beast in the narrative would be that Hank has to set up to the plate and show more leadership with Xavier captured. Hank's always been in his shell, it would need a more natural feel to get him out of it than simply Apocalypse forcing him out to be his henchmen and when all is said and done, Hank just has to settle for changes made

That would be better but it seems Mystique is the one taking on the leadership role not Beast. I'm hoping at least his battle with himself comes to a conclusion in some way in this movie.

 

[GuestStar2004]

When it comes to Hank leading I think it's easy to say it should be Hank doing it but really if we go by his personality and not just his character then what you get is a character that's probably to kind, polite and well mannered to confidently push these unexperienced kids into a fight they could die in, I mean even X3 beast I couldn't see doing it, although that's not to say he possibly won't help lead by offering his smarts.

Also hanks doesn't need to become a horseman in order to accept himself, let alone one that's not brainwashed like they ain't in this movie, infact it would probably do the complete opposite and have him not want to be beast ever again after trying to destroy the world, and even leading has no real reason to have him accept himself either because why would It? I assume there will be more an emotional arc there

 

[X-Maniac]

Although i suggested the Dark Beast idea, i wouldn't imagine Hoult's Beast as a horseman, more a sort of associate like Caliban is.

But anyway, Beast needs to be more like Beast. Bulkier, with pointy hair, at least.

 

[josh8]

I agree that it wouldn't continue Hank's arc of "finding himself" (haha), but that arc has been sooooo dull. And also, Dark Beast wasn't just a henchman. He was diabolical and a major force in his own right. He wouldn't be a Caliban. He would play the role of loyal advisor (not just a servant) and would then double-cross Apocalypse for his own personal gain.

 

[Frankeh]

To be fair, this movie, going by what has been said so far, seems to be an improvement on the use of mutants. Out of an ensemble of 16, only two roles seem to be for power display only (Angel and Psylocke)... whereas in DOFP you had what? Almost the whole group of future mutants (although I hear the Rogue Cut gave them some character), plus the mutants Mystique saved in Saigon.

EDIT: I'm not justifying Angel and Psylocke being power display mutants, though.

 

[BeholdMe]

To be fair, this movie, going by what has been said so far, seems to be an improvement on the use of mutants. Out of an ensemble of 16, only two roles seem to be for power display only (Angel and Psylocke)... whereas in DOFP you had what? Almost the whole group of future mutants (although I hear the Rogue Cut gave them some character), plus the mutants Mystique saved in Saigon.

EDIT: I'm not justifying Angel and Psylocke being power display mutants, though.

Yes that is a mass improvement for them but they really need to flesh Beast out to make him more along the lines he is supposed to be after 30+ years, they are dropping the ball with him. Who knows though maybe him and McAvoy actually come back and he gets fleshed out a bit more.

 

[Danbito]

Well, Hoult did say that Beast will be transformed for half the movie, maybe that somewhat hints that we'll get some development with him? I'm probably reaching here. But with how they've noted how Hank and Charles are more colleagues now with the school, and with how Apocalypse will inevitably shake the status quo with mutants, maybe we'll have a bit at the end where Hank drops the serum and embraces his mutation for who he is.

 

[GuestStar2004]

They wanted to spread the progression over 3 movies presumably, like a 3 movie journey

 

[Takato]

Weird to think this film comes out in about 10 weeks in the UK.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Hopefully being released a week early in UK won't hurt box office

 

[BeholdMe]

They wanted to spread the progression over 3 movies presumably, like a 3 movie journey

Well it's taken 30 years now dealing with the same issues that others have moved on to different things. It's no excuse he should still be having that issue except the writers didn't know what to do with him or as I said they dropped the ball simply.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well it's taken 30 years now dealing with the same issues that others have moved on to different things. It's no excuse he should still be having that issue except the writers didn't know what to do with him or as I said they dropped the ball simply.

Well in all fairness if we used sexuality as a comparison then there are probably people out there that never accept who they are and gone through life hiding in the closet from themselves and others, so I ain't sure there really is a deadline for this stuff

Plus the premise of mutants feeling like freaks or outcasts is very much an X-men thing, some suffer by their powers and some don't

I think what it comes down to is whether you are just bored of that arc aand since it was spread out over 3 films it's a fair enough criticism but I wouldn't say they dropped the ball since the premise is very much an x-men thing

 

[JEM]

I prefer see Beast's story resolved on screen, not off. He could have been blue in XA but it would be more fan service.

Beside, it's easy to say he should accept himself. In real world, people with disfigured faces don't accept themselves automatically 30 years later.
Hank don't like his body so he could take time.

I would love if Nightcrawler help him to accept his true form. A good way to conclude his arc and pass the torch.

 

[iacobusleo]

Well in all fairness if we used sexuality as a comparison then there are probably people out there that never accept who they are and gone through life hiding in the closet from themselves and others, so I ain't sure there really is a deadline for this stuff

Plus the premise of mutants feeling like freaks or outcasts is very much an X-men thing, some suffer by their powers and some don't

I think what it comes down to is whether you are just bored of that arc aand since it was spread out over 3 films it's a fair enough criticism but I wouldn't say they dropped the ball since the premise is very much an x-men thing

This so much. You also gotta consider that Hank's emotional development may have been stunted by being Charles's only caretaker and living a reclusive lifestyle for the better part of 10 years. Erik even called them out on it in DOFP.

It's legitimate to feel bored of his arc, but I can't say that it's not realistic. Heck, it's probably more realistic than Mystique being willing to abandon her bleeding brother on the beach to begin a terrorist lifestyle with Magneto.

 

[BeholdMe]

Well in all fairness if we used sexuality as a comparison then there are probably people out there that never accept who they are and gone through life hiding in the closet from themselves and others, so I ain't sure there really is a deadline for this stuff

Plus the premise of mutants feeling like freaks or outcasts is very much an X-men thing, some suffer by their powers and some don't

I think what it comes down to is whether you are just bored of that arc aand since it was spread out over 3 films it's a fair enough criticism but I wouldn't say they dropped the ball since the premise is very much an x-men thing

I understand the comparison and it's a tricky situation especially with the sexuality thing so I totally understand. Though still I feel they are still dropping the ball with Hank and not putting as much effort in him as they are the other that's why I feel he has an unresolved conflict not that it takes awhile for some as it does but just that they don't know what to do with him or they focus on others so they continue to give him nothing new. They totally dropped the ball with him. I'm not even saying he should be In Beast form the whole time just give him more to do and not make him a background character with very little after though. Even if say he was a human and started working in the White House etc along those lines.

 

[Frankeh]

Do you guys think anything of Shipp name-dropping the Phoenix in her interview? She's either very well versed in X-Men lore (possible), or she knows because the Phoenix has indeed a sizeable part in the movie.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Do you guys think anything of Shipp name-dropping the Phoenix in her interview? She's either very well versed in X-Men lore (possible), or she knows because the Phoenix has indeed a sizeable part in the movie.

Singer has made it sound like there are teases to the phoenix in the movie but i doubt he will totally unleashing her in this movie when there are things he will likely want to save for sequel.

Shipp is probably goin by comic lore and X3 which she most likely had watched in preparing for role

 

[iacobusleo]

Singer has made it sound like there are teases to the phoenix in the movie but i doubt he will totally unleashing her in this movie when there are things he will likely want to save for sequel.

Shipp is probably goin by comic lore and X3 which she most likely had watched in preparing for role

Both Sophie and Alexandra specifically mentioned the X3 power levels (i.e. Sophie mentioned Jean being 'Grade 5' and Alexandra referred to Storm as 'Level' 4 almost 'Level 5'). Both also discussed how Phoenix/Jean is the most powerful mutant in the X-Men universe.

Either X3 made a huge impression on them, they're both closet nerds who actually keep track of these things or these were topics that came up during the making of this movie and which would be touched upon on-screen. It's interesting.

 

[Smilodon]

She was literally rolling around in X-Men comics when she first got the role, so I'm not surprised after a year plus of studying and then being in a film she's more X-Men literate than she was before.

 

[fobi]

Singer has made it sound like there are teases to the phoenix in the movie but i doubt he will totally unleashing her in this movie when there are things he will likely want to save for sequel.

Shipp is probably goin by comic lore and X3 which she most likely had watched in preparing for role

Yeah, I feel like it'll kind of be how it was in X2