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[Mystique's Leg]

The negative reviews (which are mostly meh) say that the movie is too much of a generic superhero movie. Sounds like this movie steps away from its themes of discrimination, except for maybe the Magneto stuff which is getting praised. I honestly don't think Apocalypse, as he is in the comics, is a critic-friendly villain. The movie probably needed to radically redefine him if it wanted the critic score.

This.

I had 2 doubts about this movie in regard to its critical reception. 1. For the X-franchise and for the X-fans, a massive world-disaster movie is a first, but for casual fans it's not that fresh. 2. Apocalypse (and his motives) has always been so bombastic, it would be difficult to get a true complex and original villain on screen out of him (though I'm sure I will really like Oscar Isaac in the role).

There are still so many reasons why I want to see this movie and why it'll be a success for me: great cast, the legacy, the underlying themes, the soundtrack, the setting/time period,... .

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah IGN had fassbender as a highlight

i am wondering whether we need something to blame and are aiming it at the wrong things here

Fassbender is awesome. So is Sir Ian. I have no doubt that when they are on screen, Magneto is going to be magnetic. It is a question of their impact on the rest of the story.

 

[DigificWriter]

I can pretty much guarantee that, if the right story came along, those involved with producing the X-franchise would make another movie with as many of the original cast as were willing to return.

All you have to do to see that this is true is listen to the way they (the filmmakers) speak about the franchise as a whole.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I can pretty much guarantee that, if the right story came along, those involved with producing the X-franchise would make another movie with as many of the original cast as were willing to return.

All you have to do to see that this is true is listen to the way they (the filmmakers) speak about the franchise as a whole.

If only Laurel, the Fantastic Four and Jon Snow heard those one of a kind DigificWriter guarantees.

 

[Web-Head]

Isn't Magneto one of the aspects of the movie that has been getting consistent praise? Why are some posters here pointing their pitchforks towards him?

No, I've seen a couple reviews say Fassbender is phoning it in. But the reason posters don't like him, because he's the bad guy in just about every X-Men movie.

 

[SuperT]

i am wondering whether we need something to blame and are aiming it at the wrong things here

That's exactly what's happening - doesn't sound like from the reviews any actor or actress in the movie brings it down at all, it just sounds like either they aren't given enough to do or it's a rehash of things we've seen already.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its obvious psylockeolossus is deep down sorta happy-ish about the reviews because it means fox may run back to the OC now, i mean until we hear otherwise he is gonna be a pain in the butt about the OC, i mean even more so ;p

Talk about shading to the next level.

I'm impressed you find the time to keep sniping at me like that when you were already warned by a mod to stop harassing me, especially when I rarely comment on your opinions/posts. But do whatever makes you happy, I only see your posts when someone quotes your posts.

 

[Danbito]

If only Laurel, the Fantastic Four and Jon Snow heard those one of a kind DigificWriter guarantees.

I feel as if I have to ask: what did he say about them?

 

[Lucellit]

Oh my goodness, RT score debate happen again.
It won't affect me in any way, still will watch this movie if I have a chance.

Hoping for this movie do well financially.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Fans having problems with retcons is profoundly wrongheaded, and constitutes creating issues where there actually are none.

As for the franchise having "FAR TOO MANY" retcons, here's a list, based on having just rewatched the franchise in chronological order, of what's actually been retconned:
* Charles' age when he first met Erik (retconned from 17 to 28/29)

* When Logan became part of the "Weapon X" program (retconned from 15 years to 20 years)

* Xavier not knowing why he can't read Erik's mind (retconned by First Class establishing that he does in fact know why he can't read Erik's mind)

Things like Logan and Victor/Sabertooth being half-brothers and Charles and Raven/Mystique being foster siblings aren't retcons, because they don't actually conflict with anything that was established by earlier material.

The "Emma Frost appears in two films" thing isn't a retcon (or continuity error), either, because O:W's Emma is never actually identified as being Emma Frost onscreen and has been officially stated to be a completely different character, albeit one who happens to share Emma's diamond-skin mutation (which can be explained by the idea that there's a familial connection between them [i.e. she and Kayla are FC!Emma's daughters]).

the point is you don't need contrived retcons in the first place.. they're cheap and take the audience out of the story you're telling. A retcon is week. it's a cheap fix to a bigger problem.. much like using a piece of chewing gum to clog a leaking hole.... more often than not it creates a bigger mess of problems. Any good storyteller or writer should know that sometimes a retcon hurts more than it helps.. look at how many retcons people still complain about in the comics as well....

the best ones are always the ones that made sense and were thoroughly thought out... like Bucky's return as the Winter Soldier. You take established information and flesh it out to make sense to the audience.. not make a failed attempt at an MIB mind wipe for the audience. or be completely vague about it.

again you can kick scream, list all you want.. just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for the rest of the audience... and the majority are not happy with this franchise...

 

[Mystique's Leg]

I can understand the 'been there done that' argument, but, personally, I won't quickly get enough of the gravitas and awesomeness of Michael Fassbender and James Mcavoy and their philosophy.

I think the most frequent criticism is underdeveloped characters and the story, which feels a bit unoriginal and simple (for an X-movie). Overall, the performances are not the problem and get praise. So I would be disappointed if we won't get a sequel with Turner, Sheridan, Smit-Mcphee,... .

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The silver lining here is if this helps Tim Miller get in the drivers seat of directing the main line X-men flicks. Then all will be suddenly right with the world.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I feel as if I have to ask: what did he say about them?

Well with the Fantastic Four, he refused to believe anything bad was going on behind the scenes, even after Trank got fired from Star Wars and had a meltdown right before the release.

The other two:

Spoiler

Laurel would not be the one killed because he saw evidence of it.

Also, Jon Snow may stay dead and there was no way Mel would be involved in his resurrection.

 

[Double B]

It certainly feels like a rehash. As I said last night, how many movies with the Xavier/Magneto relationship at the core, complete with Magneto heel turn at the end of the movie can you make without it getting stale? As much as I love this franchise (and I do, X2 remains one of my favourites of the genre), it's continual failing has been the focus on a few at expense of the many. Just how many more movies of in-depth development will it take for Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine (and now Mystique) before they eventually take a step back and let some other characters take the spotlight? Even now, when the next generation should be carrying the torch, instead they're still second fiddle...

 

[GuestStar2004]

Talk about shading to the next level.

I'm impressed you find the time to keep sniping at me like that when you were already warned by a mod to stop harassing me, especially when I rarely comment on your opinions/posts. But do whatever makes you happy, I only see your posts when someone quotes your posts.

I See... RIGHT EVERYONE WHENEVER I MENTION PSYLOCKOLUSSUS IN MY POSTS I WANT YOU TO QUOTE ME!

 

[SuperT]

The silver lining here is if this helps Tim Miller get in the drivers seat of directing the main line X-men flicks. Then all will be suddenly right with the world.

With Singer already taking a break from this to go direct 20,000 League's and Miller hitting it out of the park with Deadpool, I think there's definitely going to be directorial shakeup happening here.

 

[Endeavor]

*Comes back from being overseas*
*Looks at XA news about reviews*
CRAAAAAAP!!!!
Ok. Lowering expectations again. Will still see it opening weekend. Probably.

 

[Logan0327]

The silver lining here is if this helps Tim Miller get in the drivers seat of directing the main line X-men flicks. Then all will be suddenly right with the world.

i'd rather get matthew vaughn back and let tim miller run x force and deadpool movies

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I thought for sure they'd focus on the kids this time. It doesn't seem like they do, which disappoints me.

 

[Neno_Kos]

It certainly feels like a rehash. As I said last night, how many movies with the Xavier/Magneto relationship at the core, complete with Magneto heel turn at the end of the movie can you make without it getting stale? As much as I love this franchise (and I do, X remains one of my favourites of the genre), it's continual failing has been the focus on a few at expense of the many. Just how many more movies of in-depth development will it take for Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine (and now Mystique) before they eventually take a step back and let some other characters take the spotlight? Even now, when the next generation should be carrying the torch, instead they're still second fiddle...

I think that's Singer for you. Xavier, magneto, wolverine (and now mystique) are his comfort zone, rehashing it. Doing stand-alones about them without true x-universe without true x-men teams. And now he failed in his comfort zone. Like I said it inevitable.

 

[Danbito]

Well with the Fantastic Four, he refused to believe anything bad was going on behind the scenes, even after Trank got fired from Star Wars and had a meltdown right before the release.

The other two:

Spoiler

Laurel would not be the one killed because he saw evidence of it.

Also, Jon Snow may stay dead and there was no way Mel would be involved in his resurrection.

Wow. Wonder what his reaction to Trank's infamous tweet

Spoiler

Or those certain filming pictures of Jon Snow wearing certain armor...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I agree completely with this. I use RT as a barometer for stuff I am on the fence about. Things I could easily Netflix down the line. As a fan of X-Men and the First Class crew, there is no way I am not going to go see Apocalypse.

same here. this isn't a Fant4stic situation where the film looks salvageable by any means .

 

[psylockolussus]

It certainly feels like a rehash. As I said last night, how many movies with the Xavier/Magneto relationship at the core, complete with Magneto heel turn at the end of the movie can you make without it getting stale?

I think about five movies by now. I haven't seen Apocalypse, so thats not included in my count.

And great for Fassbender if he's getting great reviews for his acting in this film, I just wish some of the new characters (other than Apocalypse), got a material like what he got to really deliver.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I thought for sure they'd focus on the kids this time. It doesn't seem like they do, which disappointments me.

Singer never gave me any reason to believe he cares about any of the X-men other than Charles, Magneto, Mystique and Wolverine.

Ok, maybe Jean a bit.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

same here. this isn't a Fant4stic situation where the film looks salvageable by any means .

Yeah, if it looked like FF, I wouldn't go. But it doesn't, so I am good. Plus, it has my man crush in McAvoy, and just simply crushes in Rose, Sophie and Lawrence.