Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Lip]

Jesus Christ, how do you know? Terrible...

There are spoilers leaked online that by now seems pretty accurate, judging by what we saw in the trailer. In the descriptions, the X-Men are using civilian clothes for the third act. And there's also another source from UniversoXmen who said the exact same thing months ago.

And Jean will be using a red coat, just like X3.

 

[Mutant 77]

There are spoilers leaked online that by now seems pretty accurate, judging by what we saw in the trailer. In the descriptions, the X-Men are using civilian clothes for the third act. And there's also another source from UniversoXmen who said the exact same thing months ago.

And Jean will be using a red coat, just like X3.

This is HORRID. No X-Suits in the final fight... that already kills any excitement within me. It's like they just made a solo Jean Grey movie, at this point.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Jesus Christ, how do you know? Terrible...

 

[Mutant 77]

Well, I must accept it. Hopefully they will appear with the X-Suits on them at least for the final shot of the movie.

 

[icekid]

Well X-Men was taken out of the US title for a reason....

I don’t see an issue with not wearing uniforms for the final act. The enemy is one of their own and someone they care about, not just another villain. It’s already been revealed that Xavier turned them into national heroes heroes and the uniforms were for the business strategy to bring mutants into a favorable image. If I all of a sudden had to stop someone that was family to me, whatever I’m wearing at the time I find out will do. Why waste time to change when the uniform doesn’t serve a higher function.

Even other CBMs all have rooted their heroes outfits in a functionality that makes wearing it in battle essential....except Scarlet Witch And CA (which the above was a plot point in the first one!) but that being the only one off the top of my gear out of all the others (not DC) is not bad at all.

 

[Lip]

Well, Jean is not the only enemy in the final act...

 

[icekid]

Well, Jean is not the only enemy in the final act...

Right but the fact that Jean is on the other side means that it’s personal for them so screw the uniforms and changing out of whatever the had on previously, they have work to do and Brand Marketing is the last worry on their mind. in the trailer we see them in her old neighborhood wearing them and confronting Jean. They’re in residential areas and to their knowledge, are just getting her to come back with them. Being identifiable to the public in that circumstance is why police and the like wear uniforms in the first place.

If anyone we’re to counterpoint the reason with X3 as an example, the answer to why they did there would be simple as so the military can know the difference between friend and foe.

 

[EnDz0n3]

See how you typed all that in two posts to make, in your head, valid reasons why the team or an individual hero should be wearing costumes in one instance but in the very next sentence point out valid reasons, again in your own perspective, why that same team or hero shouldn't be wearing costumes? That's what a scriptwriter does. They find reasons why things happen in the movie. In this case Simon Kinberg would and could find reasons why the heroes end up in costumes. Or not.

Literally anything can happen in the movie, it's all left to the imagination of the scriptwriter. And to imagination of the director. Which unfortunately for us, is a singular person who has rarely shown an ounce of creativity.

 

[icekid]

True, but he wrote in flight suits on the jet in the last movie, which conveniently came in teenage size for a bunch of adult soldiers. The fact that the suits do nothing for them in the original trilogy and they weren’t even a public team points to an example of the things we let slide back in the day.

I like the fact that certain costumers for other films found and promoted valid reason to the point that people didn’t even pay attention as to that being the why they wear it.

Now, why did the ones at the end of Apocalypse even exist?

 

[Lip]

It's better this way.

Save the individual costumes for Marvel.

 

[EnDz0n3]

The fact that the suits do nothing for them in the original trilogy and they weren’t even a public team points to an example of the things we let slide back in the day.

Lady Deathstrike shoots at Cyclops in the plastic prison set and his costume protected him from said shot. Yea yea she still gets him mere seconds later but that's more down to Singer.

It's better this way.

Save the individual costumes for Marvel.

Agreed.

 

[Ordet]

And i said that all was about costumes...
Poor Claremont...

 

[psyonic]

After the screen test, the biggest complaint I believe would be WHY AREN'T THE X-MEN IN COSTUME in the final fight? When they were teased at the end of the last movie, like.. visually and creatively speaking, this is a step backwards. Kinberrrrrg?! It would be wise to re-shoot the third act with costumes because it's still a comic book super hero movie at its core..

 

[icekid]

No that wasn’t it at all because...well if you knew the spoilers you’ll know why. People has asked after the initial summary and when they got the response that’s when they reacted the way they did. There was no such disappointment from anyone that has seen the film because it makes sense in the grand scheme and how the story plays out. I view reactions from the two viewpoints as a game of telephone vs the source. I don’t care what the game of telephone hasn’t to say.

The title doesn’t feature x-men in the states (and only does in some markets for recognition and. Marketability) because this story isn’t about the x-men. It features the x-men but it is way beyond the team and what they do.

 

[Frankeh]

The title doesn’t feature x-men in the states (and only does in some markets for recognition and. Marketability) because this story isn’t about the x-men.

Most of the films aren't about the X-Men.

 

[icekid]

Most of the films aren't about the X-Men.

True, but they’re seemingly always the right team to save the world from a threat. This one is about one of their own becoming more and how it changes their dynamic. There’s a shot I the trailer and one in the leaked trailer that I think has a official photo somewhere. Look into those if you’re unclear on what I’m mean by not about this not being about the x-men in the traditional sense.

 

[Lip]

It should've been "Charles & Eric: Dark Phoenix"

 

[EnDz0n3]

The title doesn’t feature x-men in the states (and only does in some markets for recognition and. Marketability) because this story isn’t about the x-men. It features the x-men but it is way beyond the team and what they do.

The idea that the Dark Phoenix doesn't have "X-men" in the title and thus is used as an excuse to not have the X-men in costumes in the third act is laughable.

Oh yea that's right! Remember that time in Captain America: CIVIL War where Captain America was the only one in costume throughout the entire running time of the movie? Iron man, Black Widow, Black Panther, Spider-man, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Ant-man, Scarlet Witch, Vision, War Machine and Hawkeye never once wore their costumes but instead were in their *CIVIL*ian clothes.

You're really just making stuff up LOL

 

[icekid]

Right! Girl had one line in her own trailer. I was and still am halfway expecting a mordern verbiage take on “no longer am I the woman you knew” but 26 year olds in 91 definitely don’t say “no longer” so I can’t figure out an impactful version of that line. I expected it at the end before the title card, and I definitely don’t want her to call herself Dark Phoenix for obvious Saturday morning cartoon reasons.

 

[icekid]

The idea that the Dark Phoenix doesn't have "X-men" in the title and thus is used as an excuse to not have the X-men in costumes in the third act is laughable.

Oh yea that's right! Remember that time in Captain America: CIVIL War where Captain America was the only one in costume throughout the entire running time of the movie? Iron man, Black Widow, Black Panther, Spider-man, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Ant-man, Scarlet Witch, Vision, War Machine and Hawkeye never once wore their costumes but instead were in their *CIVIL*ian clothes.

You're really just making stuff up LOL

Did you read my post and get what I was alluding to or are you jumping the gun here? The civilian clothes part is because

Spoiler

they’re not a team in the 3rd act and it starts off with just Cyclops and Xavier at the UN. Then a surprise invasion happens, which it’s kind of hard to be prepared unless you have costums materialize out of nowhere. Over the course of the battle the then defected Nightcrawler and Storm come help, no word on anyone else though from what’s out there. Hence, they’re not X-Men in the third act as it begins.

Now, literally all of that is out there and is supported by the scene in the trailer and the photo that revealed Luna. Simon has stated his reasons for removing x-men from the title. Look at the words he spoke and the words that I typed up, same message right! I put all the puzzle pieces there for you, if you couldn’t turn them into a picture, that’s on you.

So please, next time you say I’m making stuff up, consider looking into the things I literally pointed towards. I don’t like to come to the table with information if I don’t have the receipts to support it.

It helps a lot to avoid silly moments like this. Although the third act as it is currently written doesn’t leave room for uniforms due to the circumstances of events, I personally would want them and have it play out differently.

If you would like a copy paste version of the original reddit thread I’d gladly provide that as I copied it then. If I’m not mistaken, it’s since been marked with [removed] on the original thread.

 

[EnDz0n3]

This goes back to the crux of what I posted earlier and that is that Kinberg, as this film's writer and director can *literally* write anything into his script, into his movie. In this case he can set the third act differently, thus finding a way for them to wear costumes. Instead his third act comprises of

Spoiler

once again Storm (along with Nightcrawler) seeing the error of her ways and siding with Cyclops and Xavier to defeat the big bad?

Really good job developing Storm there!

But I guess this is what happens when you get a hack to direct their own rotten script. You get obvious third act mistakes committed on film when that could've been corrected way, way back in the scripting stage as opposed to much later on when it's viewed by others much more talented than you (ie. *literally* anyone else). See my sig.

Edit: However, it's not like they had written a third act when this movie started shooting, so this movie's problems are bigger than if they're wearing costumes or not in said, non-existent, third act!

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I to was bummed that there “might” not be be no costumes in the third act, but judging from everything I read and the trailer it looks as if the X-Men are no longer a team, after loosing a teammate, Beast switches sides, Scott may leave to find Jean and the public response to them may be negative after the damage Jean/Phoenix does (there’s a reason why the police are coming for her in her old neighborhood) and they might be on the run once the government turns on them.

Tye, Evan, have said this film isn’t your typical superhero movie it’s more of a family drama,yes there are comic book elements, but that’s the point of the DP saga how this family deals with the loss of one of their own becoming malevolent. So I can see why their are no uniforms in the final battle I just hope it plays right on film.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, Jean is not the only enemy in the final act...

Simon is the real enemy of the film.

 

[Mutant 77]

No that wasn’t it at all because...well if you knew the spoilers you’ll know why. People has asked after the initial summary and when they got the response that’s when they reacted the way they did. There was no such disappointment from anyone that has seen the film because it makes sense in the grand scheme and how the story plays out. I view reactions from the two viewpoints as a game of telephone vs the source. I don’t care what the game of telephone hasn’t to say.

The title doesn’t feature x-men in the states (and only does in some markets for recognition and. Marketability) because this story isn’t about the x-men. It features the x-men but it is way beyond the team and what they do.

Yeah, that's my brand-new point of view about the movie now.

 

[Mutant 77]

So at this point it's safe to assume that "DARK PHOENIX" is a deconstructionist movie a-la IRON MAN 3. Isn't that too early for the X-Men? I think so.
Basically we got:

FIRST CLASS - a one-shot adventure about a team of seminal X-Men (no "X" on the suits, no name until the very final shot of the movie) that disbanded some time later, in the mid-sixties. So it's not the TRUE origin of the X-Men, more like a "Secret Origins" adventure as they did on a memorable Alpha Flight special, where they created an original "Flight" we never saw before.

DAYS OF FUTURE PAST - Xavier becomes Professor X, Wolverine and Beast are the only active X-Men (+ Quicksilver as a temporary member). No costumes.

APOCALYPSE - The real origin of the "new timeline" X-Men. And it was well-done. It's a great movie.

Now, if you really want destroy the X-Men, there should be FIRST a "proper" X-Men movie in-between APOCALYPSE and the Jean Grey solo movie DARK PHOENIX where you got a proper teamwork and some celebration for the team. Am I right?

Plus, "DARK PHOENIX" is supposed to be the final movie of the FOXVERSE, so I hope there will be an X-Men team at the very end (last shot) and some celebration for the whole saga before MARVEL takes over.