Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

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Phoenix

 

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[Mutant 77]

Still waiting for the in-movie explanation of how Patrick Stewart is alive or how Wolverine has his adamantium back or how Kitty has time-travel powers or how Sentinels can replicate powers, etc, etc, etc.

X-Men movie hating just for the sake of it, so boring and predictable nowadays.

Plenty of mutants out there that can give Professor X his body back as well as revitalizing P. Xavier's body.
It could be steel manipulated by Magneto (who is an X-Man in the 2020s), not adamantium.
Sentinels? That's a plotpoint. Have you watched the movie? Think not. It comes from Mystique's DNA. used as jump-starting point for a NEW RESEARCH. Mystique has no replication powers, but his DNA can change. PLUS, Sentinels were adapting, not replicating.
Kitty? Secondary mutation. You should read the comic books.

 

[SumT]

that fanart is what I call an iconic looking poster, unlike the official one, that is a pretty boring compositition, without any dynamism.

 

[Nadia]

X-Men movie hating just for the sake of it, so boring and predictable nowadays.

Plenty of mutants out there that can give Professor X his body back as well as revitalizing P. Xavier's body.
It could be steel manipulated by Magneto (who is an X-Man in the 2020s), not adamantium.
Sentinels? That's a plotpoint. Have you watched the movie? Think not. It comes from Mystique's DNA. used as jump-starting point for a NEW RESEARCH. Mystique has no replication powers, but his DNA can change. PLUS, Sentinels were adapting, not replicating.
Kitty? Secondary mutation. You should read the comic books.

I agree.

1) he literally says "I told you long ago youre not the only one with gifts". I think it's obvious he retained his mind in the guy in the end credits scene. His quote suggest they found a mutants that was able to reconstruct his body.

2) he was allied with magneto for ten years. Given they were going up against sentinels his adamantium claws were clearly beneficial for combat. I don't think it out of reasons to assume Magneto was able to to take some adamantium coating his skeleton and form new claws.

3) Mystiques DNA was the kick start in the research that allowed the sentinels to become a threat. Her mutation allowed them to construct sentinels that could alter the body shape/composition making them more adept to fighting mutants.
Eventually that would lead to Rogue being captured and then her powers being added to them (you clearly see the sentinels take on and transfer between themselves the powers of the mutants they touch). That is what made them the unstoppable forms we see in the future.
Without Mystqiue being captured they would have the initial boost in research which allowed the sentinels to become a substantial threat.


4) While I do think it would have benefited from a little comment in the film ("when did you learn to do this?") I think safe to assume she had send dairy mutation.
If he body allows her to move through space/matter, I can see it moving further to move through time.
I mean this is a world were a gene mutation allows a woman to control the weather.

 

[The Guard]

The final trailer is decent. It doesn’t look like a bad movie…they’re just sort of showing glimpses of things, some of which are fairly tantalizing...some of which lack context, and therefore lack punch conceptually. The effects do look a bit more "real" than what we've seen in the past. Some of it is pretty impressive.

Makes it look pretty intense overall, which they definitely want to convey. Trailer doesn’t have a lot of wow factor, really…they’re focusing heavily on Jean, and showing the more grounded elements, the family connections, relationships, etc VS an overall scale.

Solid acting for the most part. I do like how cool and collected Xavier sounds at the beginning. There’s an element of arrogant Xavier showing up there.

Is that a fight in Central Park?

People keep asking why there’s no firebird, and I’m like “Did you watch the trailer?”

 

[EnDz0n3]

I still remember one user here making fun of the Phoenix Raptor in Apocalypse and how it doesn’t look like real fire. The member’s goal of course was to trash every other past X-men movie in order to elevate Dark Phoenix and also “Simon Kinberg delayed this movie so that his SF/X could be life-like and realistic and pitch perfect.”

Now I sit here and as I watch that “firebird” and can’t help but snicker. I can do that particle effect in Houdini. That’s what they delayed the movie for?

 

[Limonade]

People keep asking why there’s no firebird, and I’m like “Did you watch the trailer?”

eh... but much like a Rorschach Test, people probably would've missed it unless it was accompanied by an audio cue, like an eagle scream or something to that effect.

Like I'm glad you guys noticed it. But I don't think you should leave it to people to "get it". Somethings are too subtle for people outside your own experience.

 

[JP]

People keep asking why there’s no firebird, and I’m like “Did you watch the trailer?”

What I mean is... we're teased with this:

And this:

Which is a perfect visual representation of the Phoenix.

But we're then followed up with this:

and this:

Why is it so hard?

 

[Mad Ones]

I'd be satisfied if Jean looks like this in the film. Playing with different shades of red, yellow, and gold to signify different intensities of fire would be a cool way to signal toward's Jean's iconic Dark Phoenix costume like it does in this image.

 

[Marvel united]

The orange cracks would have worked a lot better if she weren't just in casual attire. If they didnt want to a costume, they could have did what Marvin did above. Energy that mimics the costume. Still a shame that she couldn't have the costume. Couldn't they have just had Jean manipulate her X-Men uniform's particles to resemble the classic costume? Of course with the added effects

 

[The Guard]

eh... but much like a Rorschach Test, people probably would've missed it unless it was accompanied by an audio cue, like an eagle scream or something to that effect.

Like I'm glad you guys noticed it. But I don't think you should leave it to people to "get it". Somethings are too subtle for people outside your own experience.

Look, the thing is sitting behind the word "Phoenix" when everything fades out. It's the only dramatic visual in the shot.

It's really kind of hard to miss if you're paying even the slightest bit of attention, especially if you're actually waiting for/looking for a firebird.

 

[Limonade]

Look, the thing is sitting behind the word "Phoenix" when everything fades out. It's the only dramatic visual in the shot.

It's really kind of hard to miss if you're paying even the slightest bit of attention, especially if you're actually waiting for/looking for a firebird.

if your looking for a firebird, is the caveat.

For normal audience members who have little care for the comics... would you blame them? Or are you saying that fans who are "casual fans of the franchise" were intent on looking for that firebird?

And while it did look like one, to me, I wouldn't put it past people to see it as just some random wave of cosmic energy. Again, Rorschach. Some people see things differently if it's not very distinct, or some small embedded video on a hype website, or it is seen on a small screen like a cellphone, or 17inch monitor with low resolution. I mean the trailer came out what... a few days ago? So you're expecting all viewers to see what you saw on a big dark room in front of large wide screen?

There are variables out there that could add strength to the argument of not seeing the Phoenix bird is all. That all changes, I'm sure, once people see it when Endgame comes out.

 

[The Guard]

What I mean is... we're teased with this:

And this:

Which is a perfect visual representation of the Phoenix.

But we're then followed up with this:

and this:

Why is it so hard?

Assuming you mean "firebird with/around Jean" and not the one that might as well be flapping its fiery wings in the trailer...I think that's a matter of it being something they're saving for the film (like X2 and APOCALYPSE). I don't think it is that hard. I suspect those "cracks" are likely going to

Possible

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crack further, and she's going to become something else entirely.

The poster/standee shows her "splitting apart" with light coming from inside.

So she's probably going to be a creature of fire with a firebird, etc. At which point people will doubtless complain that she looks too much like the human torch.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Cracked-skin-red-jacket is not Jean’s final form in the film. As a comic fan, I would’ve loved to have seen more of the fire effect throughout the film, but I get why it’s used sparingly. At least within the context of this film... that reasoning does kind of fall apart when you look at the series as a whole and consider Jean “went Phoenix” at the end of Apocalypse, though.

 

[The Guard]

if your looking for a firebird, is the caveat.

For normal audience members who have little care for the comics... would you blame them? Or are you saying that fans who are "casual fans of the franchise" were intent on looking for that firebird?

And while it did look like one, to me, I wouldn't put it past people to see it as just some random wave of cosmic energy. Again, Rorschach some people see things differently if it's not very distinct or it is seen on a small screen like a cellphone or 17inch monitor with low resolution.

I can't imagine why it would matter whether they saw it in a trailer if they thought it was a wave of cosmic energy and if they didn't care whether it was there or not in the first place.

All I'm saying is that if someone misses the image of a fiery bird like image juxtaposed behind the word "Phoenix" where the circled X makes essentially a bullsye drawing the eye to the middle of the firebird...that's...really kind of on them.

And in a film, not only will the image be clearer, but it will likely be contexualized as a bird of fire.

 

[Nadia]

Assuming you mean "firebird with/around Jean" and not the one that might as well be flapping its fiery wings in the trailer...I think that's a matter of it being something they're saving for the film (like X2 and APOCALYPSE). I don't think it is that hard. I suspect those "cracks" are likely going to crack further, and she's going to become something else entirely. Probably a creature of fire with a firebird, etc.

At which point people will doubtless complain that she's too much like the human torch.

I expect once the skin fully cracks/burns away she'll like become a being of pure fire were her human form will be in the centre and the "fire bird" motif will for the outer edges of the fire.

 

[Limonade]

I can't imagine why it would matter whether they saw it in a trailer if they thought it was a wave of cosmic energy and if they didn't care whether it was there or not.

All I'm saying is that if someone misses the image of a fiery bird like image juxtaposed behind the word "Phoenix" where the circled X makes essentially a bullsye drawing the eye to the middle of the firebird...that's...really kind of on them.

And in a film, not only will the image be clearer, but it will likely be contexualized as a bird of fire.

Look, how many times must we point out that... Subtlety is all but lost in some folks.

Why are some of these movies going out of their way to explain things, is that some people don't see the subtlety of imagery. And in today's day and age, when this content is consumed in many different platforms. How are you blaming the viewer for their faults. When maybe... it just needs tweak here and there so more people to "get the point across".

You can't catch a plethora of fish if your net has some holes or weaknesses in it.

 

[EnDz0n3]

And in a film, not only will the image be clearer, but it will likely be contexualized as a bird of fire.

Well I hope the Phoenix in the movie looks better than that.

 

[The Guard]

Look, how many times must we point out that... Subtlety is all but lost in some folks.

Why are some of these movies going out of their way to explain things, is that some people don't see the subtlety of imagery. And in today's day and age, when this content is consumed in many different platforms. How are you blaming the viewer for their faults. When maybe... it just needs tweak here and there so more people to "get the point across".

You can't catch a plethora of fish if your net has some holes or weaknesses in it.

Subtle, the image and its placement is not. It's not especially subtle to put the image of a fiery bird behind text describing a mythological bird that is associated with fire.

 

[X-Maniac]

I saw that firebird shape but how do we know it's in the movie and not just part of the graphics for the title in the trailer?

I've not heard any reports from those who've seen the test screenings that there is a firebird in this film.

 

[The Guard]

We don't, but this discussion is about whether people saw it in the trailer or not...not about how it is portrayed in the film.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I saw that firebird shape but how do we know it's in the movie and not just part of the graphics for the title in the trailer?

That's also what I think. That raptor graphic is just for the title.

We don't, but this discussion is about whether people saw it in the trailer or not...not about how it is portrayed in the film.

No. Did you think the complaints about the lack of a firebird only started from last week’s trailer?

When people ask "why there’s no firebird?" they're actually asking about the trailers, the pictures, the videos *and* the movie.

 

[X-Maniac]

I now just think 'whatever, there will be a proper Phoenix in the MCU X-Men films'...

Fox and its wonky continuity, end-of-film teasers that get ignored, sudden changes that never get addressed... it's all beyond tiresome at this point...

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I saw that firebird shape but how do we know it's in the movie and not just part of the graphics for the title in the trailer?

I've not heard any reports from those who've seen the test screenings that there is a firebird in this film.

There is a vague firebird shape with Jean in the finale, but the VFX - especially for the third act - weren’t finished, so it’s hard to tell exactly what will be in the final film and how exactly it will look.

However...

Spoiler

Jean sacrifices herself to kill Chastain in space, and that’s where I think the final shot of the trailer takes place. That’s just my guess, but it’s an educated one.