Dark Phoenix X-Men Dark Phoenix SPOILER Discussion

[DawnWarrior]

Y'know what's funny? There's the obvious similarities between this movie and Captain Marvel: the 90's setting, the shapeshifting aliens, the crazy-overpowered female protagonist, etc. But there's other things Dark Phoenix didn't do, but in a lot of cases almost did, that would have made the two movies even more similar.
-As everyone knows, the finale was going to be some kind of space battle, but was reshot to be a train fight so it wouldn't be too similar to CM. (And let's not forget, CM also had a train fight but it was just a 1-on-1 deal earlier in the film.)
-Apparently the aliens were originally going to be Skrulls (I guess Chastain would be playing Queen Veranke, or maybe someone they just made up.)
-Captain Marvel played around a lot with the 90's setting, showing off contemporary fashions and music and such. The other X-Men prequels did much the same with their settings, but DP largely doesn't.
-And of course, DP was supposed to come out last year but was delayed. If it had come out as planned, it would have beaten CM by a while. I wonder how that would have affected the two movies' reception.

 

[Mutant 77]

Considering how the franchise is now I don’t think that mattters buddy

Everything good has an end. That's not a problem. These masterpieces will keep selling blu-ray/4K copies in the next 10 years.

 

[ironwez20]

Everything good has an end. That's not a problem. These masterpieces will keep selling blu-ray/4K copies in the next 10 years.

Lol it ended with Logan . Masterpieces he says

 

[Spider-Fan]

LMAO check its global box office figure.

Re; X-Men Apocalypse



Going by the rule of 2x the Production budget, break even on the movie was 178 * 2 = 356 mil, and that doesn't account for its marketing budget. This movie definitely made money, but calling it a massive hit I think is kind. It was a hit, but just a hit.

 

[Zarex]

You can analyze the profit estimate further as BO Mojo breaks out foreign earnings between China, which returns 25% of the BO take to the studios, and other foreign countries that are estimated to return 40%.

Domestic $155M x 50% = $ 77.50M
Foreign (Non China) $268M x 40% = $107.00M
China $121M x 25% = $ 30.25M

Total $214.75M

So you're looking at a net BO of $215M on a budget of $178M. And with marketing budgets for tentpole superhero flicks running 9 digits, it's highly unlikely Apocalypse broken even in the theaters. Revenue from physical and streaming media, HBO and FX would add to the net, but can't really call it a hit. Especially now that we can see how the poor response to the film helped to crater Dark Phoenix.

Additionally, Apocalypse didn't make Deadline's list of the top 23 most profitable movies of 2016, falling behind such films as Central Intelligence and The Purge: Election Year.

2016 Most Profitable Movie: ‘Secret Life Of Pets’ Beats ‘Deadpool’, ‘Rogue One’ – Deadline

 

[metaphysician]

Re; X-Men Apocalypse

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Going by the rule of 2x the Production budget, break even on the movie was 178 * 2 = 356 mil, and that doesn't account for its marketing budget. This movie definitely made money, but calling it a massive hit I think is kind. It was a hit, but just a hit.

And its not like you can even go "But it sold a ton of merchandise!", since to the best of my knowledge, almost none of the X-Men movies have been huge merchandise movers.

 

[itsrivv]

And its not like you can even go "But it sold a ton of merchandise!", since to the best of my knowledge, almost none of the X-Men movies have been huge merchandise movers.

Because there is none?

 

[metaphysician]

You can analyze the profit estimate further as BO Mojo breaks out foreign earnings between China, which returns 25% of the BO take to the studios, and other foreign countries that are estimated to return 40%.

Domestic $155M x 50% = $ 77.50M
Foreign (Non China) $268M x 40% = $107.00M
China $121M x 25% = $ 30.25M

Total $214.75M

So you're looking at a net BO of $215M on a budget of $178M. And with marketing budgets for tentpole superhero flicks running 9 digits, it's highly unlikely Apocalypse broken even in the theaters. Revenue from physical and streaming media, HBO and FX would add to the net, but can't really call it a hit. Especially now that we can see how the poor response to the film helped to crater Dark Phoenix.

Additionally, Apocalypse didn't make Deadline's list of the top 23 most profitable movies of 2016, falling behind such films as Central Intelligence and The Purge: Election Year.

2016 Most Profitable Movie: ‘Secret Life Of Pets’ Beats ‘Deadpool’, ‘Rogue One’ – Deadline

I would really take such detailed analyses with a pretty massive grain of salt. Marketing budgets are not insignificant, but they are also nowhere near as hard and tangible as production budgets. Lots of opportunities for funny money accounting, for contracts that have licensing costs without any actual cash trading hands, or for marketing costs to be double counted because the money was spent by a third party as part of their cut.

 

[Mutant 77]

And with marketing budgets for tentpole superhero flicks running 9 digits, it's highly unlikely Apocalypse broken even in the theaters. Revenue from physical and streaming media, HBO and FX would add to the net, but can't really call it a hit.

LMAO.
If you only consider the net profit for the studios involved as "success-meter", then aprox. the 50% of the global big-budgeted hits would "break even". We're not talking about that.

Just taking the movie as a "product", without counting what the studio truly earned, well, "APOCALYPSE" was a huge hit in the theatres and in the home video department. TV airings did the rest.
Huge resonance for being an X-Men movie. Like it or not.

 

[Zarex]

LMAO.
If you only consider the net profit for the studios involved as "success-meter", then aprox. the 50% of the global big-budgeted hits would "break even". We're not talking about that.

Just taking the movie as a "product", without counting what the studio truly earned, well, "APOCALYPSE" was a huge hit in the theatres and in the home video department. TV airings did the rest.
Huge resonance for being an X-Men movie. Like it or not.

Using that logic BvS was a mega blockbuster smash.

 

[shinlyle]

LMAO.
If you only consider the net profit for the studios involved as "success-meter", then aprox. the 50% of the global big-budgeted hits would "break even". We're not talking about that.

Just taking the movie as a "product", without counting what the studio truly earned, well, "APOCALYPSE" was a huge hit in the theatres and in the home video department. TV airings did the rest.
Huge resonance for being an X-Men movie. Like it or not.

Wow. Do you still support New Coke, too?
Apocalypse was a floundering flop of a film. It barely made a profit, and for the next film to be a success, it would have to course correct...not double down on what didn't work...which is what it did.
Which is why Dark Fire-Chicken flopped...and films like Avengers Endgame and Spider-Man Far From Home have kicked butt this summer.

It's DOA, man. Embrace the MCU...where the X-Men will be reborn someday....out of the ashes...like an actual Phoenix.

 

[All-Father]

Wow. Do you still support New Coke, too?
Apocalypse was a floundering flop of a film. It barely made a profit, and for the next film to be a success, it would have to course correct...not double down on what didn't work...which is what it did.
Which is why Dark Fire-Chicken flopped...and films like Avengers Endgame and Spider-Man Far From Home have kicked butt this summer.

It's DOA, man. Embrace the MCU...where the X-Men will be reborn someday....out of the ashes...like an actual Phoenix.

And the mutants will finally have movies worth their greatness from the comic books (even though I have to say I love X2, but that's it!).

 

[shinlyle]

And the mutants will finally have movies worth their greatness from the comic books (even though I have to say I love X2, but that's it!).

It will be cool to see an X-Men franchise that keeps some of the comic aesthetic, for a change. Deadpool has been the only Fox/X-Men property to embrace it's comic roots.

 

[C. Lee]

Once again....for everyone.....if you don't agree with someone's OPINION and can't discuss it without calling them names....then don't post anything. Be civil or be quiet.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

When Kinberg said not too intergalactic he meant not intergalactic period.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Finally saw the movie it wasn't too bad. It was alright. Not something to write home about but it was still ok.

 

[henzINNIT]

The franchise ended with a whimper, but I'll always be grateful to have had X2, DOFP, Logan and Legion.

 

[spider-neil]

I don't care if this gets me flamed but I've never been that hot into the movie X-Men. I hate how Wolverine stole the spotlight (this soured me Logan which I think is very overrated). Hate how important characters like Cyclops were pushed to the background. Hate how Magneto was in every single movie despite have the exact same arc. Hate how the continuity is an absolute MESS.

Bring on the MCU X-Men.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Cyclops sucks, and Wolvie will always get the overwhelming share of the spotlight, always. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[shinlyle]

Well, Friday is payday... which movie do I buy on Blu-ray....in one corner, we have X-Men: Dark Phoenix....and in the other....Spider-Man: Far From Home.

Phew.

Tough decision.

I don't care if this gets me flamed but I've never been that hot into the movie X-Men. I hate how Wolverine stole the spotlight (this soured me Logan which I think is very overrated). Hate how important characters like Cyclops were pushed to the background. Hate how Magneto was in every single movie despite have the exact same arc. Hate how the continuity is an absolute MESS.

Bring on the MCU X-Men.

110% with you. Wolverine was never even one of the most powerful X-Men! Also, ENOUGH Magneto. He will always help out, and then be a D-bag in the final act. That was the MAIN flaw in Days of Future Past. Why show up to use the Sentinels to kill the President, when you could pretend to save humanity, then turn them on each other from within while playing the hero?! That would be a more Magneto thing to do. Also, you KNOW your actions will DOOM the world, but you're going to do it anyways?!
Ugh. No more Magneto for at least a decade. AT LEAST!

 

[spider-neil]

Cyclops sucks, and Wolvie will always get the overwhelming share of the spotlight, always. Sorry, not sorry.

Cyclops is excellent in the comics. Had the rug completely pulled out from under him by Wolverine.

Wolverine literally (LITERALLY!) talks over Nightcrawler when Nightcrawler is making his introduction to the team and by extension the audience.
Nightcrawler - 'Hi, I'm Nightcrawler of th*'
Wolverine - 'Yeah yeah, save it'
Or whatever the **** he says.
Wolverine hogged the spotlight from several X-Men. **** Wolverine.

 

[MilkmanDan]

Cyclops sucks, and Wolvie will always get the overwhelming share of the spotlight, always. Sorry, not sorry.

Of course Wolverine was going to be the character who gets most of the spotlight. It's the incompetence in handling of the other characters that annoys people. Iron Man is rightfully the main star in the Avengers, but the others also get their moments in the spotlight (even Hawkeye, eventually). Harry Potter is the titular character of his franchise but plenty of development and cool moments are also given to the rest of characters. So, it's possible to handle an ensemble cast. These movies just happened to struggle with it to a disappointing degree.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Cyclops is excellent in the comics. Had the rug completely pulled out from under him by Wolverine.

Cyclops is not excellent in the comics, why do you think he has never been able to hold down a single solo title? He sucks and is boring, and other than his stans, no one give a F about him.

Wolvie on the other hand, holds down multiple titles, solo movies, team titles, toys, you name it. Cyclops will always, always be in Logan's shadow.

 

[MilkmanDan]

Cyclops is not excellent in the comics, why do you think he has never been able to hold down a single solo title? He sucks and is boring, and other than his stans, no one give a F about him.

Wolvie on the other hand, holds down multiple titles, solo movies, team titles, toys, you name it. Cyclops will always, always be in Logan's shadow.

Judging Cyclops on his lack of success as a solo character is like saying salt sucks as an ingredient because no one eats a bowl of salt. Cyclops simply isn't meant to be a solo hero. His main theme as a character is burden of leadership. Much of the character's inner conflict comes from being at heart a geeky, self-doubting wallflower who has been forced to take on a role of a leader.

So, while Cyclops might feel out of place in a solo book or movie, his character works really well when interacting with his fellow X-Men. Especially Wolverine. The friendship/rivalry between Scott and Logan is one of the most iconic relationships in the X-Men, second only to the Xavier/Magneto one. Which is why the whole "Cyclops sucks because he's not as cool or popular as Wolverine" argument is inherently silly.

 

[spider-neil]

Judging Cyclops on his lack of success as a solo character is like saying salt sucks as an ingredient because no one eats a bowl of salt. Cyclops simply isn't meant to be a solo hero. His main theme as a character is burden of leadership. Much of the character's inner conflict comes from being at heart a geeky, self-doubting wallflower who has been forced to take on a role of a leader.

So, while Cyclops might feel out of place in a solo book or movie, his character works really well when interacting with his fellow X-Men. Especially Wolverine. The friendship/rivalry between Scott and Logan is one of the most iconic relationships in the X-Men, second only to the Xavier/Magneto one. Which is why the whole "Cyclops sucks because he's not as cool or popular as Wolverine" argument is inherently silly.

Well said. Also, even if Cyclops did suck in the comics it's up the script to improve him as a character. Someone said, 'there are no bad characters, just bad writers'.