Days of Future Past X-Men: Days of Future Past Vs The Hobbit

[marvelrobbins]

with the battle coming since so far neith studio has blinked I was curious
what X-men fans here are going to do

 

[BMM]

I'll be seeing both in theaters. I'm not an idiot with an axe to grind, nor am I deluded enough to think protesting one movie in favor of the other is going to send any kind of message to anyone that matters.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I haven't decided yet what to dpening part 3 against DOFP defently means I won't be seeing part 3 on opening weekend.

The antifox group on other sections are already saying see hobbit over dofp.

 

[YoungPrime]

If The Hobbit has a huge box office this December, along with an even bigger box office after its sequel, then I'm sure that FOX will move their film's release date especially if The Wolverine doesn't do great next year.

Now if the Hobbit 2 bombs and Wolverine does great. Or Marvel Studio agrees to answer FOX's distress call. Then FOX will tough it out and stay put.

This is why Donnor and Millar sound so desperate for Marvel Studios help these days...

Sounds like FOX shareholders are quite restless.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Marvel studios have no bearing on this.This Is between Fox9X-Men) and warner brothers(Hobbit) Fox may have several vets of Singerverse(X-Men,X2) In DOFP

The wolverine Isn't going to bomb/

 

[Duran Man]

Other: See DOFP and not see The Hobbit (not out of protest, I'm just not a fan).

 

[YoungPrime]

Marvel studios have no bearing on this.This Is between Fox9X-Men) and warner brothers(Hobbit) Fox may have several vets of Singerverse(X-Men,X2) In DOFP

The wolverine Isn't going to bomb/

Okay.

....I guess Donner and Millar didn't get the memo yet.

As far as Wolverine. I doubt it'll do double it's budget cost either.

Which at this point would be yet another flop in Fox's eyes.

 

[def28]

Ill see the Midnight showing of DOFP, then the Hobbit later opening day. Love both franchises, but will def see DOFP first.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

If the dates hold (I doubt it) I'll see both within the week. But at least three viewings of DOFP first before I see the Hobbit.

 

[Mrs Vimes]

I love the Lord of the Rings trilogy to bits, but I kinda find it hard to see the reason why a much shorter children's book should be stretched to 3 films, apart from a commercial one of course. It also makes me wary that Peter Jackson's previous big movie was the horribly bloated King Kong which should have been shorter by an hour at least. Still look forward to the films of course because the team did such a stellar job with LoTR.

 

[NanaT]

See DOFP and wait till Hobbit is on blu-ray.

I cannot wait for DOFP especially if it has any of the original actors from singer's films returning

 

[X-Maniac]

If The Hobbit has a huge box office this December, along with an even bigger box office after its sequel, then I'm sure that FOX will move their film's release date especially if The Wolverine doesn't do great next year.

Now if the Hobbit 2 bombs and Wolverine does great. Or Marvel Studio agrees to answer FOX's distress call. Then FOX will tough it out and stay put.

This is why Donnor and Millar sound so desperate for Marvel Studios help these days...

Sounds like FOX shareholders are quite restless.

Well, it seems that - judging by your reaction - Fox is damned if they do try to think big and think in a Avengers-esque way and damed if they don't. Which is it?

At least they are trying to build this franchise in a long-term and 'cinematic universe' way. At long last! It's taken long enough, and it's taken the success of another studio's mega-franchise to make them see the light, but it's a start, albeit frustratingly belated.

In the article welcoming an Avengers crossover, Donner said she had known Feige since he was an exec producer on the first three X-Men films, and I've seen them sat alongside each other at video clips from producer conferences. So I don't think it's a 'desperate' or sudden move. As I understand it, producers and their production companies don't run studios or have any final say.

As for bringing in Millar, that seems to have been a decision by Fox itself, to show it means business when it comes to acknowledging the comics and using comics talent to help it build the cinematic universe. Millar is not in the same position as Whedon though; the wording of the announcement said he is a consultant rather than being handed the keys to the X-Men/FF franchise.
But it's a good idea, even if he hasn't come across all that well in some of the online articles/interviews.

As for whether dates get moved, they may well do, but it's probably too early to start doing all that. It could turn into a game of chess with several films all hopping around if they are not careful.

 

[YoungPrime]

Well, it seems that - judging by your reaction - Fox is damned if they do try to think big and think in a Avengers-esque way and damed if they don't. Which is it?

At least they are trying to build this franchise in a long-term and 'cinematic universe' way. At long last! It's taken long enough, and it's taken the success of another studio's mega-franchise to make them see the light, but it's a start, albeit frustratingly belated.

In the article welcoming an Avengers crossover, Donner said she had known Feige since he was an exec producer on the first three X-Men films, and I've seen them sat alongside each other at video clips from producer conferences. So I don't think it's a 'desperate' or sudden move. As I understand it, producers and their production companies don't run studios or have any final say.

As for bringing in Millar, that seems to have been a decision by Fox itself, to show it means business when it comes to acknowledging the comics and using comics talent to help it build the cinematic universe. Millar is not in the same position as Whedon though; the wording of the announcement said he is a consultant rather than being handed the keys to the X-Men/FF franchise.
But it's a good idea, even if he hasn't come across all that well in some of the online articles/interviews.

As for whether dates get moved, they may well do, but it's probably too early to start doing all that. It could turn into a game of chess with several films all hopping around if they are not careful.

Wow...you sure do a good job at vilifying me and making Fox the victim.

I'm just calling it the way I see it. There's a difference between FOX "Thinking Big" and just coping off of Marvel. So for all that... Marvel should do it themselves.

Seriously Donner should've been doing this to begin with.
Here's the perfect lineup:

X-men (Consisting of the main characters)
X-Force (Consisting of a more covert black ops team of mutants)
X-Factor (A team of mutants lead by the government)

All of these teams could have their own separate films leading up to a big film where they battle Apocalypse and his horsemen or the Phalanx or even Onslaught if written right.

So, if someone over there at Fox had some ingenuity and half a backbone, they'd be able to see that they don't really need Avengers help.(Or Fantastic Four's) Which is why I called their recent actions desperate and unoriginal.

 

[X-Maniac]

Wow...you sure do a good job at vilifying me and making Fox the victim.

I'm not vilifying you and nor am I making Fox the victim. I clearly said it was about time the studio got its act together over building a franchise and cinematic universe.

I'm just calling it the way I see it. There's a difference between FOX "Thinking Big" and just coping off of Marvel. So for all that... Marvel should do it themselves.

Well, it is what it is.

Seriously Donner should've been doing this to begin with.
Here's the perfect lineup:

X-men (Consisting of the main characters)
X-Force (Consisting of a more covert black ops team of mutants)
X-Factor (A team of mutants lead by the government)

All of these teams could have their own separate films leading up to a big film where they battle Apocalypse and his horsemen or the Phalanx or even Onslaught if written right.

Three different teams, each only having one film, sounds like too many characters.

So, if someone over there at Fox had some ingenuity and half a backbone, they'd be able to see that they don't really need Avengers help.(Or Fantastic Four's) Which is why I called their recent actions desperate and unoriginal.

I don't think they are asking for Avengers' help. When asked directly about a crossover, Donner said she was open to the idea. That doesn't sound like a desperate scramble, it's a producer answering a question and sounding positive about it. It was little more than a throwaway comment in answer to a question, not a studio pleading to be part of Marvel's world. You haven't got the correct perspective on this.

 

[def28]

As for bringing in Millar, that seems to have been a decision by Fox itself, to show it means business when it comes to acknowledging the comics and using comics talent to help it build the cinematic universe. Millar is not in the same position as Whedon though; the wording of the announcement said he is a consultant rather than being handed the keys to the X-Men/FF franchise.
But it's a good idea, even if he hasn't come across all that well in some of the online articles/interviews.

Agreed. At least it shows effort and they are trying to change. All of what Millar has said sounds good to me so far.

X-men (Consisting of the main characters)
X-Force (Consisting of a more covert black ops team of mutants)
X-Factor (A team of mutants lead by the government)

All of these teams could have their own separate films leading up to a big film where they battle Apocalypse and his horsemen or the Phalanx or even Onslaught if written right.

I agree with having separate team movies. There are so many X Men just sticking them in one movie every 3-4 years will never give that many characters their due. Creating multiple teams and films would def open the X Universe more and allow for more diversity and character development in the franchise.

 

[psylockolussus]

I still think FOX needs to move DOFP. Summer 2014 is still not crowded or full. Its a given The Hobbit will be at #1 no matter how huge DOFP gets at the first weekend and ughh I don't wanna see a X-Men film open at #2 for the first time.

 

[def28]

One will move. Not good for either studio.

 

[psylockolussus]

One will move. Not good for either studio.

I think it would be better if DOFP move one week earlier. First no competition from the Hobbit for the first weekend. 2nd, besides DOFP and the Hobbit, there is no film yet set for a July 2014 release.

 

[def28]

Yeah, get to see it a week earlier to that way haha.

 

[YoungPrime]

I think it would be better if DOFP move one week earlier. First no competition from the Hobbit for the first weekend. 2nd, besides DOFP and the Hobbit, there is no film yet set for a July 2014 release.

It's safe to say that by facing off against X-men, The Hobbit 3 would be lose precious first weekend box office earnings even if they do come in at first place, so there's obviously more going on between these 2 studios than we know. It's clear that WB targeted X-men for a reason. And there's a lot of way's you can look at it..

First, if FOX did push it back or forward a couple weeks, could this be viewed as a sign of weakness? The question could rise of how much confidence do they have in this new and improved Fox-verse if you're moving from a date that was yours to begin with.

And what if WB is playing chess with FOX and follows them?

Plus they wouldn't wanna push it too far back and have to face off against Transformers 4. Because then they'd really be caught between a rock in a hard place.

Side note: I wouldnd be surprised if FOX did cave in and move their film's release and a Pixar film pops right out of nowhere on or around that same date.

I speculated before the Buggs Bunny and Mickey Mouse could be making backdoor deals. And I'm sticking by it.

 

[BMM]

And what if WB is playing chess with FOX and follows them?

So now Warner Bros. is going to give up its big July release date just to chase Fox around the calendar? Jesus.

 

[X-Maniac]

Agreed. At least it shows effort and they are trying to change. All of what Millar has said sounds good to me so far.

I agree that what he has said since the announcement has sounded fine. I meant that some of the stuff he has said in the past about adapations of his projects seems to have irked people as hollow hyping.

I agree with having separate team movies. There are so many X Men just sticking them in one movie every 3-4 years will never give that many characters their due. Creating multiple teams and films would def open the X Universe more and allow for more diversity and character development in the franchise.

I think another team spinning off into their own movies could be a good idea at some point but I didn't like the suggestion above, which seemed to imply three consecutive films each with a different set of characters, like X1, X2 and X3 but with a different team in each movie.

 

[747]

Well I'm a huge X-Men fan, so of course DOFP will come first for me personally. But I also really liked the LOTR movie trilogy, so there's no doubt I will watch the The Hobbit films too.

 

[def28]

I think another team spinning off into their own movies could be a good idea at some point but I didn't like the suggestion above, which seemed to imply three consecutive films each with a different set of characters, like X1, X2 and X3 but with a different team in each movie.

Yeah, three is probably a bit much, but I think giving us an X FActor, New Mutants or X Force needs to happen at some point ad its possible to have that going at the same time as another team. Too many rosters and members out there. Doing nothing with them or giving them only 5 min of screen time limits the possibilities for the X Verse quite a bit imo. Wouldnt mind an X Film every year.

 

[YoungPrime]

Yeah, three is probably a bit much, but I think giving us an X FActor, New Mutants or X Force needs to happen at some point ad its possible to have that going at the same time as another team. Too many rosters and members out there. Doing nothing with them or giving them only 5 min of screen time limits the possibilities for the X Verse quite a bit imo. Wouldnt mind an X Film every year.

Aright, you're flip flopping a bit now. Don't let Maniac sway you're vision.

Why would 3 separate team that are all within the same universe and continuity but addressing different issues be too much? Some people buy 15 different comic books every Wednesday. 4 different X books a month.

You just said that you wouldn't mind one being done every year but if done right this would be a great solution.

You wouldn't be hard up counting all the sequels because you'd be enjoying them as they come.

So in my opinion:
Three "X" teams.... (X-men being the mother ship with other 2 teams being smaller but still connected)
With separate responsibilities....
Facing 3 different type of villains....(They have plenty but still make them relevant " Juggernaut")
In a shared universe that's much closer than anything Avengers have done...

Sounds much better than the current random X film with X-characters shoehorned in it with no solid background, continuity or relevance.