Sequels X-Men Sequel - Part 2

[henzINNIT]

Still am not convinced this is actually going to happen. Another rumour is another rumour. It appears that Kinberg is gunning for it, but it is a big risk to bet a flagship title on a first time director.

Still just as bemused by it as well. It is not a good choice.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It makes perfect sense from a studio perspective, its the next big story to follow up DOFP and Apocalypse and its a space related one at that.

It won't make or break the movie if all the pieces ain't set up how they were in the comics, it can still be a good story just done abit differently like all these movies have been so far, yes people would love to put it side by side with the comics but thats not likely to happen just like Logan isn't exactly like Old Man Logan.

It being different from the comics is a given at this point, so that's not my worry at all. My worry is us and everyone else not caring about the characters in the story as they are barely established. They botched it last time not having Cyclops in the right place as a character. He certainly isn't there now for this either. Him and Jean aren't even a couple yet, and that's central to the emotional core of the DPS.

 

[X-Maniac]

Difficult to know what to say.

I can feel the X-Men hype machine in overdrive because of the imminent theatrical release of Logan, so all sorts of rumours, reports, casting announcements, celebrity lunches, etc, are going on.

I do feel worried about Fox's ability to manage what is expected of the Dark Phoenix Saga, given the problems laid bare by XM:A: bad make-up, bad costume design, bad special FX, key characters shafted by poor characterisation, poor character balance (they were mostly overcooked or underdone).

Who at Fox has been blamed for the critical rating of XM:A and its underperformance? They must have been pointing fingers somewhere?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Probably Singer, hence why he's now doing a tv pilot instead of his proposed Proteus film.

 

[psyonic]

I was just amazed that the silent henchmen treatment was back in X:A

 

[X-Maniac]

I was just amazed that the silent henchmen treatment was back in X:A

It's clearly a chosen method of writing and/or directing.

This is the Fox superhero movie template: Focus on about three main characters, then make the rest into non-entities who are useful for action scenes and as token gestures of diversity.

That doesn't work with ensemble/team movies, you have to give people more substance, or trim the cast back a bit.

X2 achieved more balance through character moments (Storm/Kurt convo on jet, the scenes at Bobby's house, Magneto/Pyro, etc, though Deathstrike still got shafted).

They have to make the audience care about all the characters. Or it's just a lot of flashy FX with no substance at all.

I rather suspect they realise Storm got shafted in XM:A and that this is why she's being handed over to New Mutants. But she's been stripped of defining traits, so I'm not sure how they will develop her. They can hardly have her tending plants (and creating micro-storms) in the mansion greenhouse that reminds her of tropical Africa because we never saw her there, only in dry and dusty Egypt. She was just a dark-haired street thief who adored Mystique, and the Mystique worship is not a thing I EVER want to see again.

 

[JP]

Probably Singer, hence why he's now doing a tv pilot instead of his proposed Proteus film.

He's filming BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY this summer.

 

[Electrix]

It's clearly a chosen method of writing and/or directing.

This is the Fox superhero movie template: Focus on about three main characters, then make the rest into non-entities who are useful for action scenes and as token gestures of diversity.

That doesn't work with ensemble/team movies, you have to give people more substance, or trim the cast back a bit.

X2 achieved more balance through character moments (Storm/Kurt convo on jet, the scenes at Bobby's house, Magneto/Pyro, etc, though Deathstrike still got shafted).

They have to make the audience care about all the characters. Or it's just a lot of flashy FX with no substance at all.

I rather suspect they realise Storm got shafted in XM:A and that this is why she's being handed over to New Mutants. But she's been stripped of defining traits, so I'm not sure how they will develop her. They can hardly have her tending plants (and creating micro-storms) in the mansion greenhouse that reminds her of tropical Africa because we never saw her there, only in dry and dusty Egypt. She was just a dark-haired street thief who adored Mystique, and the Mystique worship is not a thing I EVER want to see again.

The cynic in me just thinks they need a black character in the film. If Storm gets more than 5 lines great, but I believe it's pure marketing not a love of the character.

 

[Roose Bolton]

He's filming BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY this summer.

Yeah, because Apocalypse wasn't a complete disaster, it still turned a decent profit for Fox. I don't think he's in the doghouse with them or anything because he'd still a solid earner, but the critical reception of Apocalypse likely got him demoted within the X-franchise. They've given him the pilot to direct and let him play around as a producer within their tv side of things, but they're probably going to keep him in a reduced capacity within the films.

 

[Sithborg]

Well, Fox is probably really, really happy with Apocalypse's China performance.

And again, this is where studio politics comes into play. You can still do some expensive movies if you have a few underperformers.

And studio politics is probably Kinberg is even in the running.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

So deadpool lost director writers and composer... What next?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Can't really complain about having Drew Goddard onboard as a writer.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Collider getting more scoops from FoX just like do around every release. I expect them to drop New Mutants cast before the weekend

 

[NotNickFury]

And he's a great writer, but so are Reese and Wernick, and just going off the commentary on the film, they had a lot of love for the character and source material, so I'm curious what, if at all, happened here.

 

[The Guard]

Is he really highly regarded, though? Or just regarded? His resume doesn't inspire confidence. At least Tim Miller's debut with Deadpool had a strong writing duo. If Kinberg is directing, then we're left in the writing hands of...Kinberg.

Again, you'd think after X-3, Apocalypse- which I liked, but it's no DoFP- and Fan4stic, that Fox would get that Kinberg in any capacity that's not a producer for X-Men films is not the best idea.

He's highly regarded, period. Has been since his college days. You all can pretend you know how much of a particular final product you didn't like is Kinberg, but you don't. There are multiple writers on almost any modern film.

That said, there's no guarantee he's directing.

Consider the following: the X-Men universe got progressively more "X-Men" and less grounded after he got involved. That's not an accident.

 

[The Guard]

The title Supernova itself, just screams mindless CGI and explosions. I have no confidence in this project.

Apocalypse was near its production when Deadpool came out and now with Logan receiving high praise, Kinberg should take note that high budget does not mean a good movie. Stop with the insane amounts of CGI and give us a story we can relate to. X-Men and X2 were good because we cared about the humanity of the team. X3 was empty and so was Apocalypse. Just go back to basics please.

Do you know what a supernova is? The title is a concept and a metaphor.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Its funny how FoX drops these scoops after business hours

 

[Smilodon]

They didn't drop them, Frosty dropped them and he dropped it only because he heard others were on the same scoop.

 

[Frankeh]

You all can pretend you know how much of a particular final product you didn't like is Kinberg, but you don't. There are multiple writers on almost any modern film.

The one who rewrote FF was Kinberg. No ifs or buts.

The one who also went on trades justifying every misguided creative decision taken, was Kinberg.

I would never expect him to badmouth his own project, but to actually say he's improving on the source material (like when Snyder said he "grew up" Superman) while delivering such a poor product, is pretty much asking for the fanboys to hate you.

He does not get to walk blameless from that project. Problem is many believe the FOX who makes X-Men movies is a different one from the one who makes CBMs like FF, and it ain't true. It all starts and ends with the right creative team, and Kinberg as director and writer isn't looking to be it.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

They didn't drop them, Frosty dropped them and he dropped it only because he heard others were on the same scoop.

Yeah I don't really buy that



Seems like these two writers were out the whole time and those director meetings were really about writing. Weren't Goddard & Joe on DP2 shortlist?

 

[2kt09]

He does not get to walk blameless from that project. Problem is many believe the FOX who makes X-Men movies is a different one from the one who makes CBMs like FF, and it ain't true.

Depends on how much you know regarding Tom Rothman.

 

[NotNickFury]

Yeah I don't really buy that



Seems like these two writers were out the whole time and those director meetings were really about writing. Weren't Goddard & Joe on DP2 shortlist?

I do at least remember Drew Goddard's name floated as one of the potential replacement directors for Deadpool 2, yeah.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I do at least remember Drew Goddard's name floated as one of the potential replacement directors for Deadpool 2, yeah.

I don't think Miller or The Writers were down for Bond as Cable.

 

[BeholdMe]

Its one of those things where DOFP is still one of the highest rated X-Men movies and he wrote it, you can look around it anyway you want but he still wrote it, so the next film could end up good.

i'l just leave this here though.

Carry on.

I don't agree with this, some are panicking and just scared. Lets not pretend Kinberg wrote DOFP single-handely so the success of that film is not solely him and he wasn't the director either. As I recall his script was very cringe worthy so im glad they discarded of most of that. Has he done somewhat a good job as a writer yes but he has had help, and to just give him the director at least start him off with some tv shows as someone mentioned. No one has to accept and turn a blind eye to what the franchise could end up like with Kinberg doing it all its scary honestly. He very well can knock it out of the park he just my choice for a director. Him Singer and Donner were the things I disliked about the franchise and how for the most part they handled things. Im hoping this rumor is just that a rumor, maybe they are doing it this way so Singer can easily return after the Queen movie, im not here for it they really needed new blood for this franchise. Ill still support it but if it continues to be the same thing over and over then I wont. If its true I truly hope that he delivers.

 

[Sithborg]

I don't know, I think giving a fairly high budget to someone who has never been a director before is a cause for concern. Sometimes, it can work out. But there is no data that it will or not.