Sequels X-Men Sequel - Part 2

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[X-Maniac]

Question to everyone here... if the choice was between no Emma Frost and January Jones as Frost again... what would you choose? t:

January Jones was okay in the role as it was written/portrayed. She often looks a bit too thin, especially as Emma is more voluptuous in the comics, BUT Emma Frost should not have been dumped from the franchise like that.

Erik could have said in DoFP: "Emma, Banshee, Azazel, all captured and probably dead."

It didn't have to be scripted in such a final manner.

But these filmmakers do what they want anyway, so what we say is pointless.

 

[NotNickFury]

Jones definitely looked the part and I would guess her being cast in First Class had to do with her already playing in a period piece on Mad Men, but what this Frost lacked was being the leader we know her from the comics, whereas in First Class, she just works for Shaw.

Frost is definitely a more capable and outspoken leader than that.

 

[X-Maniac]

Who's to say they will make Frost more true to the comics though?

Given what they did with Mystique, Emma Frost could end up just being Moira's cleaner or Stryker's wife.

 

[psyonic]

Who's to say they will make Frost more true to the comics though?

Given what they did with Mystique, Emma Frost could end up just being Moira's cleaner or Stryker's wife.

She could have regrouped the HFC as their leader, but seriously if they are doing Dark Phoenix I wouldn't mind seeing the HFC again, there have been many incarnations. Maybe Emma Frost and her Hellions could be the villains but January Jones in a leading antagonist role? I have my doubts lul

Sigourney Weaver on the other hand would own the role. I can't wait to see her in The Defenders

 

[autumnkid2000]

Given what they did with Mystique, Emma Frost could end up just being Moira's cleaner or Stryker's wife.

I laughed harder than I should have. Also, don't give them any ideas. t:

On a more serious note, I am hoping her IG post means something. She was not remarkable in First Class but it would be nice to have an actor (aside from the handful which Fox chooses to focus on) reprise a role in subsequent movies. I even think that Olivia Munn might be replaced should Fox decide to give Psylocke better character development LOL.

 

[psyonic]

I laughed harder than I should have. Also, don't give them any ideas. t:

On a more serious note, I am hoping her IG post means something. She was not remarkable in First Class but it would be nice to have an actor (aside from the handful which Fox chooses to focus on) reprise a role in subsequent movies. I even think that Olivia Munn might be replaced should Fox decide to give Psylocke better character development LOL.

They should have given Erik's role to Storm in the third act since their powers are so similarly destructive. We already got Erik's story in previous movies. So so so many missed opportunities. They could have been more creative with the Horsemen when they showed up at the mansion like a confrontation between the mutants that build tension for the third act, not just show up, kidnap Xavier and leave.

 

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[psyonic]

January Jones is also on Fox's comedy The Last Man on Earth. Will she be recurring on the X-Men TV show?

I remember Olivia Munn trained every day for the role though....

Things were a bit over hyped.. Jubilee, Psylocke which isn't a bad thing I guess, they got exposure.

 

[marvelrobbins]

They should have given Erik's role to Storm in the third act since their powers are so similarly destructive. We already got Erik's story in previous movies. So so so many missed opportunities. They could have been more creative with the Horsemen when they showed up at the mansion like a confrontation between the mutants that build tension for the third act, not just show up, kidnap Xavier and leave.

That was never going to happen.In conclusion of first class trilogy they were never going to not have magneto or not use him prometly.Magneto fills the void on screen that angel filled in fall of mutants storyline.

 

[psyonic]

That was never going to happen.In conclusion of first class trilogy they were never going to not have magneto or not use him prometly.Magneto fills the void on screen that angel filled in fall of mutants storyline.

Huh? All I'm suggesting is they could have had Storm use her powers on a global scale, her upgrade was non-existent.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

She often looks a bit too thin, especially as Emma is more voluptuous in the comics, BUT Emma Frost should not have been dumped from the franchise like that.

She had the best look of female X-Man so far IMO

Frost is definitely a more capable and outspoken leader than that.

I liked her fooling that foreign officer with her TP

Who's to say they will make Frost more true to the comics though?

Need more women working behind the camera who are familiar with the source material

Maybe Emma Frost and her Hellions could be the villains but January Jones in a leading antagonist role? I have my doubts lul

She was better than Mystique, Deathstrike, Psylocke, Callisto imo

On a more serious note, I am hoping her IG post means something.

Fingers crossed

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

It would be strange to have Jones back as Frost at this point. The character would be 30 years older in X7.

That can't be where you draw the line with this Franchise?

January Jones is also on Fox's comedy The Last Man on Earth. Will she be recurring on the X-Men TV show?

That would really solidify it as a real X-Show

 

[Frankeh]

It would be strange to have Jones back as Frost at this point. The character would be 30 years older in X7.

So are Charles and Erik but they looked the same in Apocalypse and will probably look the same in Supernova unless they actually improve on their mistakes.

I'd be down for Emma Frost in any significant capacity.

 

[psyonic]

If Supernova is to be shot later this year (summer, if Turner's comments and McAvoy's IG caption are true), pre-production would be taking place right meow right?

 

[NotNickFury]

She had the best look of female X-Man so far IMO




I liked her fooling that foreign officer with her TP



Need more women working behind the camera who are familiar with the source material

Yeah, I definitely didn't mind her in First Class, but just wish that instead of the fate we got in Days of Future Past, that there would be a chance to see Emma as a leader, whether of the Brotherhood or the X-Men.

It's similar to my feelings on Rogue and how there's potential to show both the character's time as both a villain and hero.

 

[Ryan1210]

If Supernova is to be shot later this year (summer, if Turner's comments and McAvoy's IG caption are true), pre-production would be taking place right meow right?

I read on IMDb that they've already started the pre-production in Montreal. Don't know if it's for New Mutants or X:S.

 

[NotNickFury]

I read on IMDb that they've already started the pre-production in Montreal. Don't know if it's for New Mutants or X:S.

Josh Boone tweeted about that back in December, so I'm guessing it's probably New Mutants.

 

[2kt09]

Huh? All I'm suggesting is they could have had Storm use her powers on a global scale, her upgrade was non-existent.

Lightning teleportation is new.
Could have sworn there was a rumored/maybe even deleted scene where she wrecked ships.

But yeah, Magneto and her could have been the conduits to reshaping Egypt.

 

[x-er]

Okay, so here's the thing, this is the film that's supposed to be set in the 90s? That's the first big no. This should be set in 1984, just a year after the last one. We just got introduced to the new X-Men as teenagers, how about we actually get to see them as students in Xavier's academy? As for it being about Jean Grey as the Dark Phoenix, it could potentially work but if Kinberg is looking to craft an overarching story, I'd bet this is the first movie to deal with the situation and it won't be an immediate Dark Phoenix film but maybe only part of the comic adapted to life.

Then there's the fact that Kinberg is writing, directing and producing. That means that the only people who can talk back to him are Hutch Parker and Lauren Shuler Donner. He will have the most creative control seen by any director in this franchise. Could be a good thing, it could be a bad thing.

I mean as a creative mind, let's not forget that Kinberg has spearheaded Star Wars: Rebels, Designated Survivor and Legion - three successful television shows and Matt Nix's X-Men will probably be successful as well. He produced movies like X-Men: First Class, Elysium, Cinderella, the Martian, Deadpool and Logan. His next production, Murder on the Orient Express is shaping up to be a critical hit as well. He was a creative consultant on Star Wars: The Force Awakens. As a writer, he wrote Sherlock Holmes, X-Men: Days of Future Past and some of the best episodes of Star Wars: Rebels. He's got quite a few successes as a creative mind under his belt. People shouldn't forget that when bashing Kinberg.

However, let's not forget that the average rating of his films and average approval rating [both going by Rotten Tomatoes' calculated values] are 43.7 % and 5.2/10. Both of these are as high as they are because of the extremely high score of Days of Future Past which does affect the average.

The very first film that he wrote, XXX: State of the Union, was supposed to be another Vin Diesel vehicle until he dropped out because he was dissatisfied with Kinberg's script. Sure it doesn't help that Kinberg had to hastily rewrite the script to accommodate for Diesel's departure, Ice Cube's arrival and new director Lee Tamahori - director of the worst Brosnan Bond film. All this a little bit before the actual filming would begin. I guess you can say that he did well enough with the pressure on him, but the fact remains, something was wrong enough with his original script to cause Vin Diesel to drop out. The same Vin Diesel who did XXX: Return of Xander Cage, which has 44% and a 4.8/10 approval rating.

The next film that he wrote, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, is way better. It's actually not a bad movie. It's completely his concept, no production struggles or anything like with XXX because he wrote this, polished it and then sold it. It's not a bad movie. It got average reviews and made bank. Let's not forget, though, the biggest criticism with the film was the weak script. That's right there in the Rotten Tomatoes consensus. The movie succeeded in spite of Kinberg's script.

X-Men: The Last Stand didn't actually get terrible reviews when it came out. It got fairly good reviews, but bad in comparison to X2. It's always been hated by fans though. After Days of Future Past, a lot of people said it was Zak Penn's fault that The Last Stand ended up the way it did, not Kinberg and went on to blame Penn for nearly ruining the Avengers - which he didn't, Whedon just didn't want to direct Penn's screenplay. Here's the thing though, Kinberg has openly taken the blame for The Last Stand and acknowledges it as his fault. He decided to work with Zak Penn, he decided how to accommodate Rothman (whom people on this board hate, but don't forget that he is the most succesful studio producer ever - although the guy in charge of Disney now'll give Rothman a run for money) and Rothman's demands and oh yeah, it was Kinberg who worked in Ratner's ridiculous desires to add honours to that man's career (like Ratner wanting to create the most magnificent sequence of his life or some ********).

Now Jumper you can't apply the blame to Kinberg at all really, since it was David S. Goyer's crappy screenplay that Liman called Kinberg in to fix, after Jim Uhls' failed to do so already. Liman must've been happy with Kinberg on Mr. and Mrs. Smith. I'm sure this is why they haven't worked together again since. I'm sure it isn't why Liman left Gambit, though. He had issues with some other guy I remember reading. You can blame Kinberg for not fixing this movie, but after the guy who wrote Fight Club failed to do that already...

Sherlock Holmes is actually a really good movie. He co wrote this but you can probably credit him with it since he was the most experienced screenwriter on there. Lionel Wigram's wrote two movies other than this, and only one, which is pretty good, has been released. If King Arthur is good, maybe we can give him more credit. The other guy, Anthony Peckham, wrote a ****** Michael Douglas movie, the great Book of Eli and got fired off of Jason Bourne. The fourth screenwriter, Michael Robert Johnson, really only helped with the story since it was his first screenplay. This is probably Kinberg's first screenwriting success and it is pretty good.

This Means War is a movie he produced as well. So he probably bought Timothy Dowling's screenplay and being the producer and a screenwriter, changed whatever he wanted. I'll say it though, the screenplay isn't that bad for this film. It's the way it's used that sucks. You can put that on McG, whose hiring you can put on Kinberg. So, take that how you will.

X-Men: Days of Future Past - you guys've already discussed this a lot really. He pretty much took a script by Jane Goldman and Matthew Vaughn and rewrote it. It wasn't up to Bryan Singer's standards but Kinberg producing be damned, Singer's got **** you status with FOX. Singer wanted a dialogue heavy film and worked with Kinberg to get just that. Make no mistake, Kinberg did write this movie. You have to give Goldman and Vaughn credit, they did help craft the story, you have to give Singer credit, he did help craft the dialogue - but Kinberg did write it.

Fantastic Four, read about the production or watch the videos on Youtube, some of them are really good. Either way, you can't blame Kinberg for this debacle since he used it to save you guys from Trank's Fantastic Four. Fox authorized a screenplay by Slater and Trank. Kinberg producing, also second unit directing (probably to get experience for his own eventual directorial debut). If Trank's directorial problems are true, then we can't blame Kinberg's performance since he was forced to rewrite the script while filming while taking over as director.

X-Men: Apocalypse. Remember when Brian Singer posted the screenplay tease on Instagram and it was written by Dougherty, Harris, Singer and Kinberg but the final script only had Kinberg as screenwriter? That screenplay also had a massive alien Shi'ar ship, a huge Four Horsemen opening sequence with a fight on the Nile and other changes. The budget probably got higher than FOX was comfortable with, Kinberg changed it to bring it down to size - I mean look at the difference between the early reported budget and the actual budge. Singer stayed on board but it wasn't the movie he intended to make anymore, the disaster film that explored mutant origins. It's still his movie though, and he takes credit for its failure but that's probably what happened.

So, that being said... Kinberg given full creative control could be a good thing. The last two times that happened, with Sherlock Holmes and Mr. and Mrs. Smith, he did fairly well. Under Singer's leash, he did good with Days of Future Past. It seems like he's honestly the fall guy, though. The guy you call in to help make sure your bad movie doesn't end up as bad as it could. I mean, he's done that role for Fantastic Four, This Is War, Jumper, The Last Stand and XXX: State of the Union. It's a lot of his career. He can write good, he's shown that, but most of what he's worked on is bad.

Hopefully he's written something good since he's working unimpeded it seems like. Whether or not his direction is up to par remains to be seen.

I have never enjoyed reading such a long post!

I do feel like adding that they listened a bit to fans for apocalypse. I remember saying a telepathic battle would be epic for Xavier and what do you know, he got ass kicked in his own mind. That was one of my favorite parts, along with apocalypse hacking cerebro.

never did get a family moment between xmen, but it seems WIII/logan will have one

 

[psylockolussus]

Blame Singer... But it's Magik/Mirage/Wolfbane's time. They'll probably be the most popular after next year over Rogue etc

After Rogue... Psylocke, Polaris, Dazzler, Kitty, Emma, Jubilee should be getting the recognition imo. So no.

Those three are mostly staple of the New Mutants not the X-Men. Not even Magik who had more role in the main X-Men titles in the last five years.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

After Rogue... Psylocke, Polaris, Dazzler, Kitty, Emma, Jubilee should be getting the recognition imo. So no.

It obviously doesn't work like that.

 

[-JKR-]

January Jones was okay in the role as it was written/portrayed. She often looks a bit too thin, especially as Emma is more voluptuous in the comics, BUT Emma Frost should not have been dumped from the franchise like that.

Erik could have said in DoFP: "Emma, Banshee, Azazel, all captured and probably dead."

It didn't have to be scripted in such a final manner.

But these filmmakers do what they want anyway, so what we say is pointless.

Thank God, because I don't even want to imagine what would come out if filmmakers literally started listening to everything they read on message boards and comments sections.

 

[def28]

Thank God, because I don't even want to imagine what would come out if filmmakers literally started listening to everything they read on message boards and comments sections.

Now you're speaking full on nonsense.

Go back to X-Men Origins. It's a good thing they actually do read comments. Our opinions do count.

Some of these studio heads have no idea what they are doing. Fox in particular has been a a studio who has listened to comments and has had a much better outcome because of it. Now some of you want to congratulate them on not listening to you? Or say it's ok to make horrible decisions like killing Emma Frost offscreen? Or making Deadpool a lazer beaming mute? Those are trash decisions.

How do you think Deadpool even got made? It wasn't through positivity of XMOW. It was backlash.

 

[-JKR-]

Listening to a general sense of disappointment is one thing (without mindlessly pandering - the 'Hail to the King' short following the 'Iron Man 3' outcry is a perfect example of what not to do), listening to every detail people actually write on message boards and comments sections... no.
Just no.
Some people in Hollywood (such as talented screenwriters and directors) are smarter than you think, some people on the Internet are dumber that you think.
And 'Deadpool' got made thanks to the persistence of Ryan Reynolds, Tim Miller, Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick, who were smart enough to use the on-line crave for the movie (thanks to the leaked test footage) to convince the execs, and thanks to a change in regime at 20th Century Fox, with Emma Watts having the balls to greenlight and support an R-rated comic book adaptation in this day and age and let the filmmakers roll with their vision (and doing it once again with Logan).
Fans may have had a role in getting the ball rolling back when the footage leaked (by showing that there's a demand), but are not what made the movie a great movie. That's all on the producers, writers and director and their crew.