X-Men the Last Stand DVD review from IGN

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Personally I don't know if I would get fired, maybe walking away from it would be a better way to phrase it. I don't believe in selling out for money, especially when it gets to the point of intentionally and maliciously misleading fans once the fire becomes raging hot.

I believe I'd walk away before giving them the chance to "fire" me if you will.

This is where you and I differ Nell. I've always been the type of person to be honest with a customer, be honest with a stranger, and be honest with my friends. I refuse to "sell out" 100% or even a little bit, simply because it's wrong and it shows that you're willing to do whatever is necessary for a paycheck.

Had this been any other story and not the Phoenix Saga, then I'd more or less probably would go with the flow. But since it's the Phoenix saga and since it's a story that I truly, deeply love as a comic book fan and as a reader myself, there's simply no way I could take part in what Kinberg and Penn took part in.

I'm not talking about the lies and deception. I think that was wrong on their part, period. You can avoid giving out spoilers without lying to us. I feel we were lied to. So we don't differ there.

My question is only in regards to the writing.

Would you rather stay on, and write with parameters that change the essence of the story, knowing that you are passionate about these characters, and can still do everything in your power to make this as close to the source material, and fan friendly, as possible

or

Walk, and let someone who doesn't care come in and just TOTALLY butcher it, because they won't put up any kind of fight

Personally, I'm torn, because I agree. This is the X-Men. I couldn't write killing off Cyclops. There'd be no way in my mind that I could justify that.

BUT, on the same token, being passionate about the X-Men, I also know that despite the fact that Cyclops has to die, I can do everything in my power to make it the most "important to the story" death I possibly can. I can do everything in my power to keep as much of the essence of the Phoenix Saga as I can, and I can use that passion to fight for things, and maybe even get some things my way.

Whereas some other hack (*coughkinbergcough*) will just randomly kill off Cyclops, and instead of at least giving his role of leadership to Storm where it belongs, will give it to Wolverine to make him "the man".

I think a lot of problems in the movie would be fixed if a lot of Wolverine's lines just came from Storm instead.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm not talking about the lies and deception. I think that was wrong on their part, period. You can avoid giving out spoilers without lying to us. I feel we were lied to. So we don't differ there.

My question is only in regards to the writing.

Would you rather stay on, and write with parameters that change the essence of the story, knowing that you are passionate about these characters, and can still do everything in your power to make this as close to the source material, and fan friendly, as possible

or

Walk, and let someone who doesn't care come in and just TOTALLY butcher it, because they won't put up any kind of fight

Personally, I'm torn, because I agree. This is the X-Men. I couldn't write killing off Cyclops. There'd be no way in my mind that I could justify that.

BUT, on the same token, being passionate about the X-Men, I also know that despite the fact that Cyclops has to die, I can do everything in my power to make it the most "important to the story" death I possibly can. I can do everything in my power to keep as much of the essence of the Phoenix Saga as I can, and I can use that passion to fight for things, and maybe even get some things my way.

Whereas some other hack (*coughkinbergcough*) will just randomly kill off Cyclops, and instead of at least giving his role of leadership to Storm where it belongs, will give it to Wolverine to make him "the man".

I think a lot of problems in the movie would be fixed if a lot of Wolverine's lines just came from Storm instead.

Fair enough. Maybe it's just one of those questions where you wouldn't know what to do unless you finally experience it.

However, I believe you would also agree that you'd fight for them not to rush the movie either. You'd more or less tell them that this story is too complex, too emotional, and too conceptually brilliant to be rushed and to close the trilogy.

 

[Downhere]

The movie could be crap as long as the sound rocks! Right, DH?



I kid, I kid...


Sorta.

Of course, everyone knows the sound is the only reason to watch a movie. lol. Joshing, Joshing...I just appreciate a good sound mix from a movie. I must admit that sometimes a sound mix can make a movie watchable for me. There's nothing like popping in a reference quality dvd and being blown away by the sound. I can't wait till the HD DVD/Blu-Ray war is over so I can (when I have the money to do so) see how Dolby TrueHD will sound.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Fair enough. Maybe it's just one of those questions where you wouldn't know what to do unless you finally experience it.

However, I believe you would also agree that you'd fight for them not to rush the movie either. You'd more or less tell them that this story is too complex, too emotional, and too conceptually brilliant to be rushed and to close the trilogy.

THAT'S where we do disagree, because I fully do believe that the release date was a business decision that couldn't be tampered with.

It does have to be a 2 way street.

All I know, is that I'm a fast thinker. I could have come up with a brilliant idea real damn quick

 

[TheVileOne]

I didn't feel like I was lied to because I wasn't gullible enough to believe all the crap they spewed on face value alone.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I didn't feel like I was lied to because I wasn't gullible enough to believe all the crap they spewed on face value alone.

Maybe you weren't, but some feel like they were including myself. Why must you be so damn cynical all the time? Nobody thought they'd rush the end film of a trilogy.

Hell, I myself didn't think a corporation would be that dumb to do it, but they did it and I thought that maybe, just maybe Kinberg and Penn wrote a good script filled with surprises and emotional moments.

Unfortunately they did fill it with surprises, surprises that I wasn't and still am not happy with.

 

[Fanticon]

Why is the collectors edition called "The Stan Lee edition"? And is that one supposed to be 2 disks with all the making of documentaries?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I hope we get a review for the 2 disc edition from the UK soon!

 

[TheVileOne]

Maybe you weren't, but some feel like they were including myself. Why must you be so damn cynical all the time? Nobody thought they'd rush the end film of a trilogy.

Even though it clearly happened right in front of us.

 

[the a1ant]

Why is the collectors edition called "The Stan Lee edition"? And is that one supposed to be 2 disks with all the making of documentaries?

Nope Just a single disc, with different packaging. Included is an original X-MEN comic by Stan Lee: http://www.xmenthelaststanddvd.com/

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I didn't feel like I was lied to because I wasn't gullible enough to believe all the crap they spewed on face value alone.

People who talk about themselves and their awesome traits of being annoyingly negative are so. freakin'. cool.

 

[TheVileOne]

You call it annoyingly negative, I call it realistic. I'd call what many posters here did annoyingly gullible.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

You call it annoyingly negative, I call it realistic. I'd call what many posters here did annoyingly gullible.

What you call realistic is really negativity. What you consider to be gullible is really people trying to remain optimistic about a film.

Some people wanted to give this film a fair chance. Some of those same people(including myself) wanted to give Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn a fair chance without having to do a witch hunt.

I truly believed that maybe, just maybe we would receive a great film and one that closes the trilogy in an emotional powerful way. Unfortunately I didn't receive that; and because I wanted to give them a chance defines me as annoyingly gullible?

No offense Vile; but you're annoyingly negative and cynical. I sure hate to work around you or even be married to you, because if your poster attitude is any indication of what you are like in real life then you must live a sad lonely existence.

Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg lost all respect from me due to the way they lied and intentionally misled fans to get money.

 

[the a1ant]

I personally don't feel like Ratner lied to us much, besides how much stuff got deleted. Maybe in his head he really thought everything was going to make it, but then the stuff was nixed. The film had to go through three editors, and FOX, so more things probably got cut after he made that comment. Who knows when the interview took place.

Also, some of the deleted scenes are alternative takes, etc. Maybe he just didn't count those as 'cut footage' or something? The thing about Ratner is that he didn't really promise so many things to us, like the writers. He promised a Sentinel, which we got (sorta), and while the article alluded that the Sentinel would appear in the final battle, we're not so sure if Ratner said that, in the context the article made it seem.

I don't think Kinberg/Penn should've done those Q&A's with fans before the film was out. Waiting until after the film release would've been best, so they wouldn't have to lie. They knew they couldn't give the whole film away, and Fox wouldn't allow that, so they probably just thought...we'll lead them in another direction, so when they see the film, it'll be something different. I'm sure they feel bad about it, but really...they should've not tried answering any questions to begin with.

 

[TheVileOne]

What you call realistic is really negativity. What you consider to be gullible is really people trying to remain optimistic about a film.

Trying to remain optimistic which turned out to be annoyingly gullible.

I'm even more annoyed you guys act like the filmmakers lied to you when there was plenty of information floating around that proved the real truth.

Some optimists you guys turned out to be.

Some people wanted to give this film a fair chance. Some of those same people(including myself) wanted to give Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn a fair chance without having to do a witch hunt.

A fair chance they did NOT deserve after what they've done. And after it's finally been revealed that Kinberg wasn't this long time X-men fan born to write this movie.

I truly believed that maybe, just maybe we would receive a great film and one that closes the trilogy in an emotional powerful way. Unfortunately I didn't receive that; and because I wanted to give them a chance defines me as annoyingly gullible?

Yes because once again, you accepted what they said on face value alone. There was plenty of other information going around to detract from what they said and to prove the real truth.

No offense Vile; but you're annoyingly negative and cynical. I sure hate to work around you or even be married to you, because if your poster attitude is any indication of what you are like in real life then you must live a sad lonely existence.

Hey you know what, you should look into the Spider-man boards for the last couple of years and then you would find something truly negative and cynical.

I'm pissed off. I loved these movies and this franchise and I'm pissed off about what happened to it and that I could do nothing to stop it. It's that simple. When X2 was around I wasn't saying this because there was no freaking reason to.

Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg lost all respect from me due to the way they lied and intentionally misled fans to get money.

I don't blame them, I blame the people that let themselves be misled. I do blame them for screwing the movie up though.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Okay, VileOne, some of us remained optimistic because we love these characters and this world, and we were excited to see that.

And some of us are still optimistic, because we feel that we got a good product.

Some don't.

The difference is, we're not running around gloating the fact that the finished product ended the way we thought it would. Because trust me, despite what you might want to believe, there is a lot that I (and the rest of us optimists) can gloat about with this movie.

There was stuff you felt ruined it. Great. But quit running around here with the whole "I was right, you were wrong, you suck" attitude. You've had it through the entire production. Your agenda was out to prove how horrible this movie could be, so your little bullcrap routine would be "justified". It's lame.

 

[danoyse]

Trying to remain optimistic which turned out to be annoyingly gullible.

I'm even more annoyed you guys act like the filmmakers lied to you when there was plenty of information floating around that proved the real truth.

Some optimists you guys turned out to be.

Ok, so you weren't "gullible." So...what does that make you? Right? Better than everyone else? What do you want, a cookie?

I'm not gullible either. I work in marketing, so I can spot BS from a mile away and there was plenty of that going on here. Doesn't make me wrong for sincerely hoping that the movie didn't suck, which I didn't think it did.

I feel bad for the people who were disappointed at X3, because the powers that be should have done a better job getting their act together for the movie, and it sucks when a movie falls short for the people who are anticipating it the most.

But for once can you come down from that mountain of self-satisfaction (because it's got to be lonely up there) and say something more constructive than "I told you so"?

 

[TheVileOne]

Ok, so you weren't "gullible." So...what does that make you? Right? Better than everyone else? What do you want, a cookie?

I'd like people to stop calling the filmmakers lying you and saying they misled you. Put the blame where it belongs. That's what I want, not a cookie.

I'm not gullible either. I work in marketing, so I can spot BS from a mile away and there was plenty of that going on here. Doesn't make me wrong for sincerely hoping that the movie didn't suck, which I didn't think it did.

So you admit there was BS?

I feel bad for the people who were disappointed at X3, because the powers that be should have done a better job getting their act together for the movie, and it sucks when a movie falls short for the people who are anticipating it the most.

But for once can you come down from that mountain of self-satisfaction (because it's got to be lonely up there) and say something more constructive than "I told you so"?

What else is there to say anymore Danyose? Maybe people should stop saying, "THEY LIED TO US! THEY MISLED US!"

 

[danoyse]

I'd like people to stop calling the filmmakers lying you and saying they misled you. Put the blame where it belongs. That's what I want, not a cookie.

You'd be better off with the cookie. So why can you voice your opinions, and other people can't?

For the record, I don't feel I was lied to. I liked the bloody movie.

So you admit there was BS?

I've always known there was BS, as there is with most movies. Just wasn't particularly bothered by it. Doesn't mean it would make things impossible for the movie to be any good.

What else is there to say anymore Danyose? Maybe people should stop saying, "THEY LIED TO US! THEY MISLED US!"

Well, there seem to plenty of threads on here talking about the movie itself--positive and negative. Try reading one.

 

[TheVileOne]

You'd be better off with the cookie. So why can you voice your opinions, and other people can't?

Well they are, and so am I. So . . . that's how it is.

Well, there seem to plenty of threads on here talking about the movie itself--positive and negative. Try reading one.

I have .

 

[ljr]

They mis-led us,just look at their answers and then look at the final film-they don't match.I wouldn't have been quite so peeved off if they hadn't blatantly mis-led the fan base.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

They mis-led us,just look at their answers and then look at the final film-they don't match.I wouldn't have been quite so peeved off if they hadn't blatantly mis-led the fan base.

seriously, read Zak Penn's answers. He doesnt lie. Now read Kinberg's answers...he does lie.
So dont blame "the writers". I just re-read all of Penn's answers, and i saw absolutely no lie or misleading lines.

 

[ljr]

No he wasn't so bad but kinberg is a liar.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Why is the collectors edition called "The Stan Lee edition"? And is that one supposed to be 2 disks with all the making of documentaries?

Has his comics 0_o

 

[Retroman]

2 new reviews of the dvd.

http://www.atnzone.com/moviezone/video/guides/reviews.php?id=1339
http://www.tailslate.net/reviews/index.asp?ID=327&lst=n&dpt=dvd