X-Men the Last Stand DVD review from IGN

TheVileOne said:
So after months of you guys swallowing the crap that these guys are the biggest X-men fans and were giving Ratner images from the comics to match their storyboards, it's finally revealed that Kinberg actually knew little of the comics and movies themselves?

I AM SHOCKED!!!!

I admit that I bought into the lies Ratner and Kinberg spewed. But so did a lot of people.

It was a ploy to get people to see the film, and yes, the fact that they lied got me to go see the film.
 
I remember all the crap about how people wouldn't even believe the movie's ridiculous running time.

*also remembers Strikez proclaiming how this would be a longer, epic movie and it was one of the FIFTY THINGS GOING FOR X-MEN 3!!!"*
 
Yeah. Ever'body agrees that it was a letdown from the first 2, no character or strong story, no continuity, but still nod their heads as Fox declares victory by pointing at some numbers.

I'm buying x1 and x2. I'll never spend another dime on -3 beyond the ticket price for the one time I forced myself to watch it.

To quote someone: "They're stupid! They're so stupid!"
 
LOL @ ^....Luckily X-men is over and done with and i don't have to see them suffer anymore....but they do have Spider-man,Harry Potter and Batman Left to fill the void...as well as other Marvel and Superman movies....I have nothing against FOX this was just Business and they got what they wanted
 
spidermite said:
Yeah. Ever'body agrees that it was a letdown from the first 2, no character or strong story, no continuity, but still nod their heads as Fox declares victory by pointing at some numbers.

I'm buying x1 and x2. I'll never spend another dime on -3 beyond the ticket price for the one time I forced myself to watch it.

To quote someone: "They're stupid! They're so stupid!"

If you haven't yet even bought X1 and X2, you can't be that much of a fan, so quit the victim complex...
 
Can't wait for XIII on DVD.

Then kids around the country will be saying, "Mommy, turn it off, I don't want to watch it!"
 
LastSunrise1981 said:
No. He ran off when others began to see through his BS lies. Only Penn returned to answer questions.
I remember him promising to return to answer the post-release. Shame he didn't do so.
 
Retroman said:
I remember him promising to return to answer the post-release. Shame he didn't do so.

Supposedly he made that response dissing the entire fanbase that didn't like the movie.

But I haven't seen it verified that it actually came from him.
 
Nell2ThaIzzay said:
Supposedly he made that response dissing the entire fanbase that didn't like the movie.

But I haven't seen it verified that it actually came from him.
Really? I hope he didn't say that.
 
I don't know if it was him, because both times I saw it posted, xverse and here, it came from a poster who said Kinberg sent him that message to give to the fans...

IF it was him, and I'm not 100% convinced it was (just through lack of concrete evidence), I don't have much respect for the man.

He lied to us, bailed out when things got heated and he got called on his inconsistancies, supposedly (according to the review) was totally unfamiliar with X-Men as a comic or movie series, and then didn't even have the balls to state his piece himself, but had to have someone do it for him.

If it isn't true, then none of the above applies.
 
Nell2ThaIzzay said:
I don't know if it was him, because both times I saw it posted, xverse and here, it came from a poster who said Kinberg sent him that message to give to the fans...

IF it was him, and I'm not 100% convinced it was (just through lack of concrete evidence), I don't have much respect for the man.

He lied to us, bailed out when things got heated and he got called on his inconsistancies, supposedly (according to the review) was totally unfamiliar with X-Men as a comic or movie series, and then didn't even have the balls to state his piece himself, but had to have someone do it for him.

If it isn't true, then none of the above applies.
If i was in Kinberg's position i'd probably start cursing some of the x-men fans.Comic book fans are a hard bunch to please.
 
Retroman said:
If i was in Kinberg's position i'd probably start cursing some of the x-men fans.Comic book fans are a hard bunch to please.

I do agree with that. I think some of the things said to Kinberg and Penn by some people around here were totally out of line, no matter what **** ups these guys may have made on the movie.

But, as a professional, in a business in which the very nature of leads to criticism, contructive or otherwise, I think you have to be bigger than calling out the fanbase, telling them to kiss your ass.

In that regard, I do feel bad for Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg, despite the fact that I feel they totally intentionally misled us and lied to us in certain aspects.
 
Nell2ThaIzzay said:
I do agree with that. I think some of the things said to Kinberg and Penn by some people around here were totally out of line, no matter what **** ups these guys may have made on the movie.

But, as a professional, in a business in which the very nature of leads to criticism, contructive or otherwise, I think you have to be bigger than calling out the fanbase, telling them to kiss your ass.

In that regard, I do feel bad for Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg, despite the fact that I feel they totally intentionally misled us and lied to us in certain aspects.
Agreed. In some ways i sympathize with them because they faced many obstacles while writing the script. Initially Fox didn't want Phoenix and they didn't want Cyclops in the movie and they fought to get those things in.
 
TheVileOne said:
*also remembers Strikez proclaiming how this would be a longer, epic movie and it was one of the FIFTY THINGS GOING FOR X-MEN 3!!!"*


And? What of it?

So I chose to see things optimistically instead of pessimistically. Some of my speculations proved true (i.e. the film was certainly longer than the theatrical version released); others did not. Did you really expect 100% of a fellow fan's hopes for this film to be realized? I didn't.

That thread made it clear from the outset that those were factors I speculated and hoped for. Magazines, E-zines, critics and box office sites make projections all the time. Therefore, I find it amusing that you keep harping on it, as if somehow you've been...vindicated or something. :rolleyes:

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to resume my search for your point. :cool:
 
Retroman said:
If i was in Kinberg's position i'd probably start cursing some of the x-men fans.Comic book fans are a hard bunch to please.

I agree that some are hard to please, but you have those who are very respectful and don't give the writers or the directors much heat.

It's writers like Kinberg and Penn who lie about a particular movie and when things get really heated, they run away from the mess they created instead of facing it. Now in their defense if fans start attacking their families in a personal way or threatening to do physical harm to them, then maybe they should cuss out those fans.

However, they should know it's not wise to rush a film that is the end to a trilogy.

But whatever. In the end a lot of people were fooled by the lies and tried to be optimistic, whereas being optimistic is a lot better than being cynical all the damn time.
 
Yes...fooled by the promo pics of Scott in uniform and we thought we'd see him in uniform. :( I was pissed off. :( but there was more than that...
 
LastSunrise1981 said:
I agree that some are hard to please, but you have those who are very respectful and don't give the writers or the directors much heat.

It's writers like Kinberg and Penn who lie about a particular movie and when things get really heated, they run away from the mess they created instead of facing it. Now in their defense if fans start attacking their families in a personal way or threatening to do physical harm to them, then maybe they should cuss out those fans.

However, they should know it's not wise to rush a film that is the end to a trilogy.

But whatever. In the end a lot of people were fooled by the lies and tried to be optimistic, whereas being optimistic is a lot better than being cynical all the damn time.

If you had been asked to write a script for this movie, at short notice, and were given a set of parameters ('We don't want Cyclops in it, we'll say he killed himself between X2 and X3, we don't want Phoenix in it, we want Magneto's war to finally happen, and we want Wolverine upfront') what would you do? They appear to have argued successfully for Phoenix, and for Cyclops to make a appearance, however limited it was.

I think they were in a very difficult position from the start...

I agree that shots of Cyclops and Angel in uniform were, in effect, false marketing...
 
I agree with both of you LastSunrise and X-Maniac.

Perhaps this should be renamed the official dvd review thread? Just an idea.:hyper: Heres a new review of the dvd, Region 1 version.

From RopeofSilicon.com:

X-Men: The Last Stand

DVD REVIEW:

By Brad Brevet

X-Men: The Last Stand recently made my list of mid-2006 disappointments and for good reason, I found it hard to get through this movie a second time. If it hadn't been for the commentaries I am not sure I would have made it.

X-Men: The Last Stand picks up a short time after X2: X-Men United ended and Jean Grey (Famke Janssen) is dead but mutants have made big strides in society, even to the point that a big blue furry man is now a part of the U.S. Government. However, things are never so easy, and there are always going to be people that don't like those that are "different". Here we find our story as a supposed cure for the mutant genome has been found, a vaccine that will rid humans of whatever it is inside of them that makes them different from regular human beings. Some mutants stand in line for such a cure, others frown on the idea and at the forefront of the frowning division (Brotherhood in the case of this film) is Magneto (Ian McKellen). Along with his recruits Magneto sets out to stop the production and use of this so-called "cure" and he finds a particularly intriguing ally in a once thought Jean Grey... only now she is known as the Dark Phoenix.

The storyline above sounds intriguing, and it is even fun to write about, but where this movie goes wrong is in its execution and its inability to stay focused on the task at hand. Instead of entertaining through the plotline the filmmakers decide to add more, and more, and more and then a few more characters to keep us entertained with special effects, effects that are not needed. One of the commentaries on this single-disc edition is with producers Avi Arad, Lauren Shuler Donner and Ralph Winter and as the credits begin to role they start talking about the differences between Brett Ratner and Bryan Singer (X-Men, X2, Superman Returns) and the one difference they mentioned that stood out to me was that Singer had more of a focus on the characters of the film and that Ratner liked to keep things moving. While I don't think Ratner did a great job with this movie it isn't all his fault and as far as character focus goes he had too many characters to choose from, look at Red Dragon, while that movie is flawed he certainly paid his characters more than enough attention. The box art for this DVD alone carries 14 different characters and that's not everyone. I also continue to believe that far too much attention is paid to Wolverine (Hugh Jackman) and the new attention paid to Storm (Halle Berry) is certainly unnecessary.

The most intriguing character in X3 is certainly Jean Grey with her resurrection as The Dark Phoenix yet so little attention is paid to this story that it almost becomes an afterthought until she plays her part in the final moments of the film.

As for the rest of the features on this single-disc edition you get a second commentary with Ratner and writers Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg, few deleted and alternate scenes (a few of which are actually good) and a new storyboard look at The Simpsons Movie and a preview of Night at the Museum.

As for recommending this movie I am not sure I will be watching it again. If I am going to watch an X-Men film it would certainly be X2 before any of the other two. However I am sure there are plenty of X-Men fans that found a lot of joy in this movie and by all means I think you should buy it. I don't think this was a horrible film, I just think it was a let down. As for future X-Men films I would not be surprised if there isn't.

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Source: http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/dvd.php?id=2997
 
From DVD Movie Central:

X-MEN: THE LAST STAND

Review by Michael Jacobson

Stars: Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Ian McKellen, Famke Janssen, Anna Paquin, Kelsey Grammer, James Marsden, Rebecca Romijn, Patrick Stewart
Director: Brett Ratner
Audio: Dolby Digital 5.1 EX, DTS 6.1 ES
Video: Anamorphic Widescreen 2.40:1
Studio: 20th Century Fox
Features: See Review
Length: 104 Minutes
Release Date: October 3, 2006

“They wish to cure us. But I say to you…
WE ARE THE CURE.”

Film ***1/2
X-Men: The Last Stand delivers on the promise that had been building from the first two installments. There’s more action, more spectacle, and more pure emotion at play here than we’ve yet seen. And sadly, I suppose it’s all just in the knick of time to say goodbye to the franchise.

Hard to believe at once this third chapter was rumored to be a disaster. Maybe that was just because the sure-handed director of the first two Bryan Singer had departed to turn his talents toward the revival of Superman, leaving the final X-Men installment in the hands of Brett Ratner, most known for the Rush Hour and Friday films. Perhaps I was a little worried, too. But I shouldn’t have been.

Ratner delivered on the cinematic vision auteured by Singer, and brought to fans the finale we’ve been waiting for. For years we’ve been told of the inevitable war brewing between mankind and mutants. In The Last Stand, it erupts with a fury.

But that’s getting a little far ahead. We actually begin in the past, when a younger Charles Xavier (Stewart) and Magneto (McKellan) visit the home of a promising young mutant, Jean Grey. Why begin there, when Dr. Grey (Janssen) died bravely saving her teammates in the last chapter? Well, X-Men fans already know that a Phoenix always rises from the ashes.

In the present, or as the film tells us, the not-too-distant future, something happens to completely change the make-up of the relationship between mutants and normal humans: a cure, found in the DNA of a silent mutant boy. With one shot, the mutating genes can be suppressed permanently. For some, like Rogue (Paquin), facing a life of never being able to know human contact, it’s a dream come true. For others, like Storm (Berry), it’s an affront to believe that there’s something ‘wrong’ with her and her kind that requires a ‘cure’. For the ever-alert Magneto, it’s the beginning of the end for either humanity or mutant kind.

The cure is meant to be voluntary and only for those who wish to use it, but it doesn’t take long before both sides realize it can also be used as a weapon against mutants. And that means only one thing: an all out fight to the finish between Magneto and his Brotherhood and the X-Men, who, caught between Magneto and those who would use the ‘cure’ against them, have to make some tough choices. And fast.

This installment boasts, as I mentioned, quite a number of emotional punches, none of which I want to give away. But I will say, as an avid horror movie fan, I haven’t seen anything of late that was as terrifying as the Phoenix. And that’s all I’m going to say.

The best addition this time around is the great Kelsey Grammer as Dr. Hank McCoy, aka The Beast. Only an actor of Mr. Grammer’s caliber could bring so much humanity through the fur and makeup. And he has a few surprises up his hairy sleeves, too!

The cast continues to be terrific, with what I still aver to be a stroke of genius in having Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan play the two leads. Who could have done better as Professor X and Magneto, I ask you? And of course, Hugh Jackman continues to anchor the proceedings capably as the brooding, cynical but dependable Wolverine.

I’ve said so little in this review, but that’s for a reason…this is the kind of movie that you’re better off knowing very little about before you start. There are quite a few surprises. Suffice to say, there’s better action sequences and special effects than ever before, each using the other to bring the energy to exhilarating heights. And there’s more at stake with this story than we’ve seen up to now, so naturally, the overall impact is greater.

In the end, Brett Ratner had the last laugh on the naysayers, and proved himself to be more than just a talented apprentice. He now takes his place amongst the greats in the action genre. I only regret that there doesn’t seem to be room for one more go around with the X-Men with him at the helm.

But it’s Hollywood, right? Never say die when there’s a box office to be made.

BONUS TRIVIA: Make SURE you watch the movie through the end of the credits. Trust me.

Video ****

“You would die for them?”…
As with their first two offerings, Fox continues to impress and impress with the X-Men on DVD. This is one sharp looking anamorphic transfer, one that encompasses a lot of detail in a lot of extreme lighting situations, and handles it all with crispness and clarity and no visible compression. Highest marks.

Audio ****

“No. Not for them…”
You have a choice of extended digital tracks, either Dolby or DTS, but whichever you pick, buckle up for the ride. The audio is dynamic, powerful and busy, with all speakers getting their share of distinct workout and the subwoofer delivering a constant and powerful bottom end. Dialogue is clean and clear, and the constant action and audio effects are potent and razor sharp.

Features ***

“…for you…”

The extras are highlighted by two commentary tracks; one with Ratner and screenwriters Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn, and the other with the film’s three producers. I prefer the director/writer one, as those gentlemen seemed a little more emotionally involved and enthusiastic about the work, but both are solid listens.

There are 10 deleted scenes and 3 alternate endings with optional commentary, plus a look at the world of Marvel and some trailers and promos.

Summary:

X Men: The Last Stand is simply a terrific film, and perhaps an indication of what the series, while already good, could have been all along. This is the meatiest and the mightiest of the X-Men. If it is indeed the final chapter, it couldn’t have gone out any better.
Source: http://www.dvdmoviecentral.com/ReviewsText/x_men_3.htm
 
X-Maniac said:
If you had been asked to write a script for this movie, at short notice, and were given a set of parameters ('We don't want Cyclops in it, we'll say he killed himself between X2 and X3, we don't want Phoenix in it, we want Magneto's war to finally happen, and we want Wolverine upfront') what would you do? They appear to have argued successfully for Phoenix, and for Cyclops to make a appearance, however limited it was.

I think they were in a very difficult position from the start...

I agree that shots of Cyclops and Angel in uniform were, in effect, false marketing...

Well, I guess if it was me, I'd fight hard to keep Cyclops in the movie and have him be a main character. I'd explain to them that the Phoenix Saga has always been about Jean and Cyclops, and that while Wolverine is an important character, he doesn't need to be in the limelight again.

I know it may be a lot easier said than done, but you have to have a spine and refuse to be a yes-man, so in retrospect I have that going for me as I refuse to be intimidated by corporate authority.

Parameters or no parameters, I'd fight for Cyclops to have a much bigger role and if it didn't happen, then they'd just have to find a new writer.

Of course, speaking in those terms would probably get me fired too.

But in any case, what's done is done and nothing can be changed RIGHT NOW. However, I'll continue voicing my displeasure about it until something is done.
 
LastSunrise, hypothetical question:

Would you rather

A.) Write the script yourself, and fight for what you can, but work with what you can't win, and try to make the best X-Men story you can, with the parameters given

or

B.) Get fired from the project for not following the parameters given, only to see a new writer come in who's not as passionate, who won't fight like you will, and will give in even easier to studio demands?

At least with A, you may have to "sell out" a bit, but you, having passion for these characters, can still work within those parameters to be as loyal and true to the source material as you possibly can, and make the movie as fan friendly as possible.
 
Retroman said:
I agree with both of you LastSunrise and X-Maniac.

Perhaps this should be renamed the official dvd review thread? Just an idea.:hyper: Heres a new review of the dvd, Region 1 version.

From RopeofSilicon.com:


Source: http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/dvd.php?id=2997

Ah, more comfirmation on a DTS track. I'm hoping this will be reference quality and give my sub a nice workout. Looks like this reviewer really enjoyed the flick...good review.
 
Downhere said:
Ah, more comfirmation on a DTS track. I'm hoping this will be reference quality and give my sub a nice workout. Looks like this reviewer really enjoyed the flick...good review.

The movie could be crap as long as the sound rocks! Right, DH? :rolleyes:



I kid, I kid...


Sorta. :p
 
Nell2ThaIzzay said:
LastSunrise, hypothetical question:

Would you rather

A.) Write the script yourself, and fight for what you can, but work with what you can't win, and try to make the best X-Men story you can, with the parameters given

or

B.) Get fired from the project for not following the parameters given, only to see a new writer come in who's not as passionate, who won't fight like you will, and will give in even easier to studio demands?

At least with A, you may have to "sell out" a bit, but you, having passion for these characters, can still work within those parameters to be as loyal and true to the source material as you possibly can, and make the movie as fan friendly as possible.

Personally I don't know if I would get fired, maybe walking away from it would be a better way to phrase it. I don't believe in selling out for money, especially when it gets to the point of intentionally and maliciously misleading fans once the fire becomes raging hot.

I believe I'd walk away before giving them the chance to "fire" me if you will.

This is where you and I differ Nell. I've always been the type of person to be honest with a customer, be honest with a stranger, and be honest with my friends. I refuse to "sell out" 100% or even a little bit, simply because it's wrong and it shows that you're willing to do whatever just for a paycheck.

I understand some changes have to be made for the greater good of the project. However, some changes can ruin a concept that's already brilliant, and killing off Cyclops the way they did was wrong.

NOW for arguments sake, IF Cyclops had to die and there was no other way around it, then I'd fight for him to die in a heroic way instead of simply "dying" from a kiss. As a writer myself I'd probably have him die in the final battle as a hero, not as someone who left the mansion and vanished into thin air.

Had this been any other story and not the Phoenix Saga, then I'd more or less probably would go with the flow. But since it's the Phoenix saga and since it's a story that I truly, deeply love as a comic book fan and as a reader myself, there's simply no way I could take part in what Kinberg and Penn took part in.

I think what Rothman, Penn, and Kinberg did is kind of like killing off Frodo, Aragorn, and Gimli, and having Legolas destroy the ring and have a special moment with Samwise.

Or having Gordon be on the train fighting Ra's instead of Batman.

Some changes shouldn't be made. If I had to "sell out" for a paycheck, then maybe I shouldn't be there in the first place.
 
LastSunrise1981 said:
Personally I don't know if I would get fired, maybe walking away from it would be a better way to phrase it. I don't believe in selling out for money, especially when it gets to the point of intentionally and maliciously misleading fans once the fire becomes raging hot.

I believe I'd walk away before giving them the chance to "fire" me if you will.

This is where you and I differ Nell. I've always been the type of person to be honest with a customer, be honest with a stranger, and be honest with my friends. I refuse to "sell out" 100% or even a little bit, simply because it's wrong and it shows that you're willing to do whatever is necessary for a paycheck.

Had this been any other story and not the Phoenix Saga, then I'd more or less probably would go with the flow. But since it's the Phoenix saga and since it's a story that I truly, deeply love as a comic book fan and as a reader myself, there's simply no way I could take part in what Kinberg and Penn took part in.

I am slowly grasping where you are coming from now.
 

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