Comics X-Women Vs X-Men

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just to amuse DarthCyclops, she could easily create an hydrogen bomb around him like she just did in Fantastic Four 545 and destroy him in less than a second.

Huh??? How the hell did I get involved in this??? If anything, I was *AGAINST* the OMG-Remy-ROXOR thingy...

 

[Nature's Rising]

Oh, man, this is getting so bloody ironic it's not even funny. I'll humor you, though.

Thank you for that! It's not that hard to provide an answer, is it?

But reading all throughout that definition, the first woman that came to mind was Jean. I mean how come you event think that Ororo is a Mary Sue? I mean Jean was this poster Xavier student, beautiful, all men had a crush on her (and on some alternate timeline, even the teacher, ew), weak and always a damn damsel-in-distress that make Logan and Scott all fight for her. Being all so pwetty and vewy perfect, she has to be cloned, then she has to have a child in every freaking timeline. Can't you see? She's like the perfect little girl next door or the W word that rhymes with door. Had the man, the friends, the POWER, and the typical damsel in distress attitude. Storm had no man in her beginnings, she wasn't even known for her man unlike Jean and Rogue (but Rogue was tough, in fairness). Also, she was independent, strong and had a rebellious stage. I can never imagine a Mary Sue having a rebellious stage, unless they are seduced by an illusionist that ended up having a crush on her and to make her queen and make her go all ballistic and threatened to destroy the entire universe. And not to mention that all she can ever scream in her time to control her powers is her man's name because that's what she always think of when she's in pain, or a puppy pitbull is coming on her way. Typical damsel in distress (the only saving grace for her is having her husband hook up with somebody else). It's like Hime in Flame of Recca, she's just so weak and fragile I keep my eyes rolling and fast forward the DVD until she shuts up.

But come on, this is Darth. Oh well, just my 2 cents.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, Jean totally fits the description too. t:

And just for the record, Storm is more of a Mary Sue power-wise and how every other character seems to see. There's next to nothing she can't pull off and practically everybody worships the ground she walks on. That's totally Mary Sue-esque. *shrugs*

And if I've said it once, I've said it, well, a whole bunch of times. I love the f**k out of old school Storm. It's just that CC *really* went overboard with. To use a crude analogy, a LOT of people just got sick of it after the fifth layer of icing on the cake.

 

[Nature's Rising]

Oh, Jean totally fits the description too. t:

And just for the record, Storm is more of a Mary Sue power-wise and how every other character seems to see. There's next to nothing she can't pull off and practically everybody worships the ground she walks on. That's totally Mary Sue-esque. *shrugs*

And if I've said it once, I've said it, well, a whole bunch of times. I love the f**k out of old school Storm. It's just that CC *really* went overboard with. To use a crude analogy, a LOT of people just got sick of it after the fifth layer of icing on the cake.

Wow, we agreed on something.

Now that you mentioned about power-wise, I have to agree with you there on some point. It seems to me that Marvel makes their women have the firepower and men have the muscle power. Pretty much stereotype.

Oh, you better prepare yourself, because CC is handling Psylocke right now, and she can turn invisible now! CC really is giving the women the power trips...but in regards to Storm, she was always portrayed to be one of the most powerful X-Men, having been more powerful than Jean before Phoenix, so making her more of a Mary-Sue-esque type powerwise does not affect what she is already, but seriously Betsy???? I mean we all have come to love the ninja Betsy, now she is just another generic telekinetic like Jean and Betsy. And the butterfly motif should've stayed on her everytime she uses her powers, and her shadow powers shouldn't have been erased. Ugh.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Now that you mentioned about power-wise, I have to agree with you there on some point. It seems to me that Marvel makes their women have the firepower and men have the muscle power. Pretty much stereotype.

Eh.

If I were a fangirl - well, make that woman - I'd be downright pissed rather than merely annoyed. They're not quite sure of what to do with women, so they'll define them by how much a$$ they can kick.

Oh, you better prepare yourself, because CC is handling Psylocke right now, and she can turn invisible now!

I've stopped aknowledging most of CC's material from the past 20 years as anything but sheer insanity for quite a while, actually. t:

I just try to shut him out, really.

"Yes, Chris, Ororo is your dream wife/concubine and right now you've got it bad for a younger & more exotic model. We f****n get it, Chris. Please, just, PLEASE, move on. It's getting creepy. Really creepy." t:

 

[masterj]

Just wondering who you think would win in the following fights:

Monet vs Sage

Dazzler vs Banshee

Wolfsbane vs Beast

Mercury vs Stong Guy

 

[Mike059jig]

Monet,Banshee,Beast,and SG

 

[Nature's Rising]

Monet vs Sage
This is a good match, if there is prep and a huge arena having Sage to hide and do her magic, I'd say Sage. But let's get real here, in a strict one on one fight, Monet is packing the firepower here, and of course she is also a telepath, a low-level one, but a telepath nonetheless.

Dazzler vs Banshee
Seriously, Dazzler has a lot of potential. Can't she convert Banshee's sonic attacks into something big?

Wolfsbane vs Beast
Beast, because of experience, genius-mind and practically stronger.

Mercury vs Stong Guy
Strong guy of course. 'nuff said.

To stick up to the thread title, let's get an X-Man vs. X-Women dance one on one:

1. Iceman (current, not full potential, so we cannot apply speculations) vs. Magma

2. Angel vs. Husk

3. Nightcrawler vs. Crimson Dawn Psylocke

4. Full Potential Cable vs. Full Potential Rachel Summers (Askani)

5. Cannonball vs. Polaris (pre-horseman)

6. Vulcan (his own power ONLY) vs. Rogue, Current Psylocke, Magma and Jean Grey w/o Phoenix

7. Bishop, Wolverine, Banshee and Chamber (pre-HoM) vs. Storm

 

[masterj]

1. Iceman (current, not full potential, so we cannot apply speculations) vs. Magma

Hmm. Interesting match. I think Iceman is wimpy at the moment to really go at it, whereas Magma is rather prone to unstableness and would probably unleash everything she has against him. I'd say Magma.

2. Angel vs. Husk

I don't really see what Angel can do to Husk. Flap his wings at her? Swoop down and pick her up, then drop her? She can turn to rubber. I think Husk wins easily, as Angel has no offensive abilities that Husk cannot block and she can just turn to diamond and rip him to shreds.

3. Nightcrawler vs. Crimson Dawn Psylocke

Crimson Dawn Psylocke has telepathy does she not? She can predict where he's going to teleport and psi blast him. Psylocke.

4. Full Potential Cable vs. Full Potential Rachel Summers (Askani)

Not sure on this one. I'd give it to Cable probably.

5. Cannonball vs. Polaris (pre-horseman)

Cannonballs field is made of kinetic energy so Polaris can't manipulate it, but then again she could rip the iron from his blood. It depends what's faster, Cannonball or Polaris' ability to manipulate the iron in his blood. I'd probably go with Polaris.

6. Vulcan (his own power ONLY) vs. Rogue, Current Psylocke, Magma and Jean Grey w/o Phoenix

Vulcan. He can supress other mutants powers and if he doesn't do that then just absorb everything they throw at him and then return it a million times worse. The only chance they have is if Jean can subdue him with her telepathy, unlikely as he has psychic powers too, or Rogue can get a hand on him, but she'd probably overload.

7. Bishop, Wolverine, Banshee and Chamber (pre-HoM) vs. Storm

Bishop, Wolverine, Banshee and Chamber would win imo. They are eache hardened fighters and too versatile for Storm to take out all at once, what with hand to hand fighter and energy fighters. I'd probs say Banshee and Chamber would fire on Bishop to charge him up to a critical level then he blows the crap out of Storm.

 

[javon]

To stick up to the thread title, let's get an X-Man vs. X-Women dance one on one:

1. Iceman (current, not full potential, so we cannot apply speculations) vs. Magma

2. Angel vs. Husk

3. Nightcrawler vs. Crimson Dawn Psylocke

4. Full Potential Cable vs. Full Potential Rachel Summers (Askani)

5. Cannonball vs. Polaris (pre-horseman)

6. Vulcan (his own power ONLY) vs. Rogue, Current Psylocke, Magma and Jean Grey w/o Phoenix

7. Bishop, Wolverine, Banshee and Chamber (pre-HoM) vs. Storm

Thw ones that aren't highlighted, it's because I don't know of them in that state or don't know of that certaint power.

 

[Havok83]

Monet vs Sage
To stick up to the thread title, let's get an X-Man vs. X-Women dance one on one:

1. Iceman (current, not full potential, so we cannot apply speculations) vs. Magma

2. Angel vs. Husk

3. Nightcrawler vs. Crimson Dawn Psylocke

4. Full Potential Cable vs. Full Potential Rachel Summers (Askani)

5. Cannonball vs. Polaris (pre-horseman)

6. Vulcan (his own power ONLY) vs. Rogue, Current Psylocke, Magma and Jean Grey w/o Phoenix

7. Bishop, Wolverine, Banshee and Chamber (pre-HoM) vs. Storm

1. Magma, only bc Bobby doesnt push himself. He can definetly win, but thats taking his potential into account

2. Hmmmm. Id like to say Warren, but I can see it going either way. Warren's biggest strength is his brain. If he can outthink her, then he stands a better chance.

3. Crimson Dawn Bestsy would slaughter him. Well maybe thats too harsh, but she takes this one. His teleporting may be faster, but she also is a TP. That would stop him from moving about and one strike of her psy-blade to the head and he's done

4. I think this one is a draw.

5. Id say Cannonball. I think Polaris has alot of potential, but I never found her to be that powerful as far as using her abiltiies. I think Sam is smarter and can outthink her here and it helps that he has a level of invulnerability

6. I think the team of girls can take him on. By one power, Im guessing you mean Vulcan pre DG, meaning when he was an X-man?

7. I think the men's problem will be getting close to her. I think Banshee is the best bet here bc he can make the conditions so uncomfortable for her, long enough to phase her so the other guys can finish her

 

[javon]

^I thought Chamber was one of the mega hitters, sort of figured he could have finished her off alone

 

[Hyperion1320]

1. Magma, only bc Bobby doesnt push himself. He can definetly win, but thats taking his potential into account

2. Hmmmm. Id like to say Warren, but I can see it going either way. Warren's biggest strength is his brain. If he can outthink her, then he stands a better chance.

3. Crimson Dawn Bestsy would slaughter him. Well maybe thats too harsh, but she takes this one. His teleporting may be faster, but she also is a TP. That would stop him from moving about and one strike of her psy-blade to the head and he's done

4. I think this one is a draw.

5. Id say Cannonball. I think Polaris has alot of potential, but I never found her to be that powerful as far as using her abiltiies. I think Sam is smarter and can outthink her here and it helps that he has a level of invulnerability

6. I think the team of girls can take him on. By one power, Im guessing you mean Vulcan pre DG, meaning when he was an X-man?

7. I think the men's problem will be getting close to her. I think Banshee is the best bet here bc he can make the conditions so uncomfortable for her, long enough to phase her so the other guys can finish her

7. Out of this team, only Chamber has a good chance. Banshee's sonics aren't gonna be a problem for Storm, who I bet is already immune to sound(she unleashes lightning from her fingertips, the thunder from a bolt miles away can shatter windows, not to mention the howling of wind), but if not, can thin the air to the point were the sound does not travel. Bishop she could freeze, taking away his energy. Wolverine, the same. Basically. In a battle, with these boys she knows are serious contenders, Storm's gonna pull out the stops to neutralize them instantaneously. Opening a vortex to the upper atmosphere, all combatants are exposed to -200oF, super-low pressure, winds spiraling counterclockwise with Storm as the eye. Only if Chamber unleashes a deadly psi bolt right at go do the men have a chance, and even that might not do the trick. Storm has held off Candra's psi assaults before, and Chamber is not an evil, centuries old b!tch.

 

[Mother_Askani]

1. Iceman (current, not full potential, so we cannot apply speculations) vs. Magma

Magma

2. Angel vs. Husk

Angel

3. Nightcrawler vs. Crimson Dawn Psylocke

Psylocke

4. Full Potential Cable vs. Full Potential Rachel Summers (Askani)

Tough one, but I'd have to go with Cable if Ray is sans Phoenix since even Rachel herself acknowledged that his ultimate potential was much greater than hers.

5. Cannonball vs. Polaris (pre-horseman)

Cannonball

6. Vulcan (his own power ONLY) vs. Rogue, Current Psylocke, Magma and Jean Grey w/o Phoenix

Rogue, Current Psylocke, Magma and Jean Grey w/o Phoenix


7. Bishop, Wolverine, Banshee and Chamber (pre-HoM) vs. Storm

Storm

 

[Snikt 6]

Just wondering who you think would win in the following fights:

Monet vs Sage

Not even close. Sage plays around with her until Monet starts to go crazy.

Dazzler vs Banshee

Going with Dazzler here. She turns sound into light right? Well good old Banshee (when he is ressurected) would just be a power source for her.

Wolfsbane vs Beast

Beast because he can just go feral. I havent seen Wolfsbane get to brutal yet.

Mercury vs Stong Guy
Mercury could go all day with Strong Guy. First of all he wouldnt touch her unless she wanted to, and who would want a guy named Stong Guy to touch them?

That would be my guesses.

 

[javon]

7. Out of this team, only Chamber has a good chance. Banshee's sonics aren't gonna be a problem for Storm, who I bet is already immune to sound(she unleashes lightning from her fingertips, the thunder from a bolt miles away can shatter windows, not to mention the howling of wind), but if not, can thin the air to the point were the sound does not travel. Bishop she could freeze, taking away his energy. Wolverine, the same. Basically. In a battle, with these boys she knows are serious contenders, Storm's gonna pull out the stops to neutralize them instantaneously. Opening a vortex to the upper atmosphere, all combatants are exposed to -200oF, super-low pressure, winds spiraling counterclockwise with Storm as the eye. Only if Chamber unleashes a deadly psi bolt right at go do the men have a chance, and even that might not do the trick. Storm has held off Candra's psi assaults before, and Chamber is not an evil, centuries old b!tch.

t: t: t: Oh Hyperion.......:heart:

 

[Valechan]

A couple of things, Betsy can't turn invisible, she is invisible to electronic sensors and the Panoptichron's sensors, which is not entirely unplausible seeing as it was ROMA who put her in the Exiles and Roma did the same trick to all the X-Men when she ressurrected them. It's called continuity, not adding powers

Darth, we worship Ororo because she is a GODDESS and Goddesses deserve worship
Now on to the fights!

1. Iceman (current, not full potential, so we cannot apply speculations) vs. Magma. Winner: Magma Ice Melts. Period.

2. Angel vs. Husk. Lover's Quarrel? Winner: Warren experience over power takes this one.

3. Nightcrawler vs. Crimson Dawn Psylocke. Winner: Betsy. Crimson Dawn Betts had her telepathy. Just snap her fingers and Kurt is brain dead for life.

4. Full Potential Cable vs. Full Potential Rachel Summers (Askani) Winner: Fandom Assembled we will all drool to see this battle, admit it.

5. Cannonball vs. Polaris (pre-horseman) Winner: Lorna please, Magnetism beats all physical powers, see X-Men 2 The movie

6. Vulcan (his own power ONLY) vs. Rogue, Current Psylocke, Magma and Jean Grey w/o Phoenix. Winners: Girls team. Vulcan is only one and we've seen he isn't immune to telepathy.

 

[Havok83]

7. Out of this team, only Chamber has a good chance. Banshee's sonics aren't gonna be a problem for Storm, who I bet is already immune to sound(she unleashes lightning from her fingertips, the thunder from a bolt miles away can shatter windows, not to mention the howling of wind), but if not, can thin the air to the point were the sound does not travel. Bishop she could freeze, taking away his energy. Wolverine, the same. Basically. In a battle, with these boys she knows are serious contenders, Storm's gonna pull out the stops to neutralize them instantaneously. Opening a vortex to the upper atmosphere, all combatants are exposed to -200oF, super-low pressure, winds spiraling counterclockwise with Storm as the eye. Only if Chamber unleashes a deadly psi bolt right at go do the men have a chance, and even that might not do the trick. Storm has held off Candra's psi assaults before, and Chamber is not an evil, centuries old b!tch.

except Chamber to the best of my knowledge has never used his TP offensively nor defensively for that matter. He strictly uses it for communication

 

[Havok83]

1. Iceman (current, not full potential, so we cannot apply speculations) vs. Magma. Winner: Magma Ice Melts. Period.

Now that I think about it more, this wouldnt be so cut and dry or easy for Magma. Iceman can draw out moisture from people and use it to amplify his own powers. The human body is what like 60% water, so thats quite a bit for him to work with. In UXM 434, he did that to recreate a new body from himself. He could easily kill Magma that way and thats something he can do at his current power levels

 

[Hyperion1320]

except Chamber to the best of my knowledge has never used his TP offensively nor defensively for that matter. He strictly uses it for communication

I was not referring to his telepathy, I was referring to his energy blasts which emanate from his throat and chest, hence the name 'chamber'. He's a chamber of psionic energy, seething as fiery nuclear thought. Hence also his sort of self-loathing demenor. His projective energy is very powerful, when he let go at a mindless drug producing giant, he incinerated him in one blast. However, this blast is psionic in nature, and psionic energy has been deflected by Storm's meterologic energies(as her own powers are psionic in nature) in the past, agaist powerful psis like Emma, Jean, and Candra.

 

[Nature's Rising]

A couple of things, Betsy can't turn invisible, she is invisible to electronic sensors and the Panoptichron's sensors, which is not entirely unplausible seeing as it was ROMA who put her in the Exiles and Roma did the same trick to all the X-Men when she ressurrected them. It's called continuity, not adding powers

sebita, Betsy can now turn invisible god knows how. Claremont recently did that. The invisibility from sensors is already an old power of hers, this one, is actually new and still can't understand how a telekinetic manipulate TK to make her invisible...

 

[Valechan]

Havok, Magma can turn into lava, fire, whatever, there is no water he can take from her while in that form. And good old Amara tends to turn into it as soon as she starts fighting, heck maybe even before that.

NAaure, I am a regular follower of Exiles (and very big fan of the book, especially with Mr Claremont at the helm), and I believe you are wrong. Betsy has never been invisible. It was just the Panoptichron's sensors that couldn't register her, nor could Dr Hudson while using them. Read the issues again .

 

[Snikt 6]

^Psylocke can not been seen because of Roma. The whole "Fall of the Mutants" thing. I think.

 

[Valechan]

I wish to apology Nature, what you refer to happened in 93, which I didn't have. I've read it this afternoon. She did turn herself invisible by use of telekinesis, which is not so hard to believe seeing as tk has been defined as "mind over matter". You can virtually do anything with tk, like Betsy herself has said, the limit's her imagination. It is refreshing to see a writer doing thing with tk that are more than just levitating objects.

 

[Nature's Rising]

it's ok sebita. thanks for that explanation, but I can't seem to fit it on Betsy. Jean or rachel yes, but can't seem to put it on Betsy...I mean in uncanny issue, Rachel said Betsy didn't have the fine motor control, which means, she cannot go to that level of tk that omega tk's can...I'm just confused. It's just so much of a feat...just my 2 cents