"Yeah, it's going to be fun"- The Black Widow/Scarlett Johansson Thread

Discussion in 'Captain America: The Winter Soldier' started by herolee10, Mar 10, 2013.

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  1. jaqua99

    jaqua99 ....I need a horse!

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    Captain America: The Winter Soldier. It doesn't matter. They will do what they have to do. As long as the give Widow a solid role, she can be "the male lead's love interest" This is CLEARLY Cap's movie.
     
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  2. herolee10

    herolee10 No More Miracles

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    I don't seem to recall people labeling Catwoman as just being a love interest to Batman in "TDKR" and I don't see that label defining BW when it comes to her association with Steve in this film.
     
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  3. Ms. Marvel

    Ms. Marvel Screwed up Avenger

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    I wonder if BW and WS will even converse.
     
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  4. xeno000

    xeno000 IRON MAN WAS RIGHT!

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    That depends on what you mean by converse. Bucky shoots at Natasha; perhaps bullets can be considered a form of communication. :woot:
     
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  5. xeno000

    xeno000 IRON MAN WAS RIGHT!

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    You're preaching to the choir, at least in my case. Natasha was just as essential to the Avengers' victory, and it's beyond tiresome to read continued slams against her as "just a little girl with guns". Or "the Avengers' team bicycle," as has been alleged in this thread.


    Where we differ is in whether or not a potential relationship with Steve would somehow diminish Natasha's status. That is a common complaint, that being in a relationship automatically reduces a female character to "just the girlfriend" of the hero. In Natasha's case that doesn't have to be so because she has already costarred in two films where her abilities were showcased. She is also using those skills in TWS, fighting alongside Steve and deeply involved in the story. That hardly suggests that she is being relegated to a lesser status.


    The writing for the characters will ultimately determine how well they are portrayed, of course. Markus & McFeeley are the team that created one of Marvel's strongest female characters in Peggy Carter and arguably the best romance in any Marvel film. They are likely to handle all of the relationships in the film very well. It seems highly unlikely that they will treat Natasha as anything other than a highly-skilled assassin, whether she is in a relationship with anyone or not.


    It's important to consider the flip side of this argument as well. Part of being a fully human, relatable character is having relationships with others. Not just romances but friendships, working partnerships, rivalries, etc., all of the connections which make a character interesting and well fleshed out. To date, Natasha has had very little in terms of real connections to anyone other than on a superficial level. Her lack of emotional connectedness can be seen as making her a strong woman, but it locks her into an isolated role and also prevents the audience from warming to her as a person. Natasha isn't a three-dimensional person yet.


    In TWS it sounds like she is going to develop a friendship with Steve and perhaps with Sam, which will go a long way towards making her seem more human. Her scenes with Clint in TA were a small step in the direction of humanizing her, but there needs to be more work done on that. If Natasha is ever going to rate a film of her own she has to be an interesting enough person to hold the audience's attention. Making her a well-rounded person would help in that.
     
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  6. BoredGuy

    BoredGuy Chairman of the Bored

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    I dont quite understand all the interest in Widow getting her own movie, even in the comics she can't maintain her own title
    it would be just like any other brainwashed-spy type movie
    It was very disconcerting that Louis D'esposito seemed more hopeful for a BW or Peggy Carter film than for Ms. Marvel

    If I wanna watch a spy movie, I'll go watch Bond or Bourne
    I wanna see some g.d. superheroes in my superhero movies, call me crazy
     
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  7. Ms. Marvel

    Ms. Marvel Screwed up Avenger

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    I couldn't agree more. :woot:
     
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  8. Loki882

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    Yes, variety is a good thing. That is why making movies like IM 3, TDW, TWS, and GOTG around the same time is awesome, because there all very different. Also, BW is a superhero, arguing that she's not is like saying Batman or Iron Man aren't superheroes, they damn well are.
     
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  9. Loki882

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    Oh, and Bond and Bourne aren't the only fictional spies out there, you need to see more movies, your perspective is skewed.
     
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  10. herolee10

    herolee10 No More Miracles

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    You know, if Steve doesn't already know by now, I'd like to see his take/view of Natasha's dark past regarding her former job as having been an paid assassin/killer.

    Up until the Avengers, Steve was mainly surrounded by people who were clear cut in being either good or evil, never people so much with lives where they started out as being evil and turned good afterwards. And even in the cases of Hulk and Tony for example, the Hulk was just misunderstood and never really evil, while Tony was just a misguided pain in the ass before his ordeal with the Ten Rings.
     
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  11. Loki882

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    I would imagine that while he'd be uncomfortable with her past, he'd see that she is remorseful and legitimately trying to make up for it. I don't want him to spend the entire film saying how horrible she is. They can discuss it, but should come to an understanding.
     
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  12. herolee10

    herolee10 No More Miracles

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    Which is probably why hearing that Widow is going to be one of the few, if not the only one, that Steve feels like he can actually rely on after things go bad with SHIELD due to its inner corruptions and bad networks.

    And like others have said, seeing Widow placed in an position where she's actually vulnerable with someone really opens more layers for the character instead o her just being a cold and calculative person all the time.

    Plus, if she really does develop something for Steve in the film, I think it says a lot about Steve's character that his personality could be the one that finally allows her to lower her guard down, which is a task in itself.
     
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  13. xeno000

    xeno000 IRON MAN WAS RIGHT!

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    Well, I don't understand all the hostility to the idea of Natasha getting her own solo film, so that makes us even. :o
     
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  14. BoredGuy

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    don't be *****ey, I wasn't saying those are the only spy movies ever, just makin a point
    and BW is more spy than IM or Batman because she deals with more espionage related things, her best stories are spy stories.
    and personally, if I'm gunna only get one female superhero movie in the next 5-10 years, I'd rather it be a character with powers, or just some higher level of uniqueness

    and to xeno, I haven't seen much hostility at the idea of a BW movie.
    The Marvel guys seem to have a hard-on for the idea, and I'm just stating that she would not be my preference for Marvel's first female solo, that's it, no hostility
     
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  15. H.U.S.T.L.E.

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    I think a BW movie could be really entertaining actually - the other thing that it has going for it is her fighting style, which is completely different from the rest of the Avengers. She's had some really good action sequences in IM2 & Avengers and I'd love to see more of that... if anyone has seen F&F 6 I'm thinking along the lines of the fight scenes between Gina Carano & Michelle Rodriguez, which IMO were the best action pieces in that movie.

    The other thing that would be cool to see is an 'event' episode of Agents of SHIELD - a two-parter with Natasha & Clint that shows their history together would be fun and even could have a feel of a mini-movie.
     
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  16. Loki882

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    You could also make a BW a Cold War spy thriller if you really wanted to, that could be cool. Also, we could find out what happened between her and Hawkeye in Budapest, and why they remember it "very differently."
     
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  17. H.U.S.T.L.E.

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    While I'd love to see them explore BW & Hawkeye in Budapest, I think that would be best explored as an 'event' episode on TV.

    My personal preference is that any of the feature film projects should continue to push the narrative and overall timelime forward - CA:TFA should be the only 'out of continuity' film Marvel makes IMO. Especially since the films going forward are dealing with the fallout from Avengers, I feel that it's in the studio's best interest to continue with that line of thinking.

    The TV show is a great place to provide these flashbacks that can build upon the characters we've seen in the films. With the buzz surrounding the Agent Carter One-Shot, Agents of SHIELD would be a neat way to show occasional flashback episodes.
     
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  18. Kane52630

    Kane52630 Just Some Nut

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    Damn, Scarlett looks gorgeous as a blonde OR a redhead.
     
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  20. PyroChamber

    PyroChamber Not lactose, it's milk!

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    I've gotten so use to seeing her with red hair I almost forgot she was a blonde.
     
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  21. Farren

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    Wow, she looks absolutely stunning in these. If I were her I would tell my stylist/mu artist to do variations of this for every single event. She looks like a goddess.

    Curse you, ScarJo, and your perfect looks, ruining it for us plebe girls everywhere!
     
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  22. Just_Human

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    I prefer her as a redhead


    By the way, do you guys think Nat is gonna be revealed to be a double agent in TWS ?


    If not, do you think the bad guys she will face are the organization that trained and brainwashed her ?

    A blast from the past would be nice
     
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  23. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    Yeah, I think it's inevitable that Tasha has a personal history with all or some of the bad guys here. It gives her a legitimate reason to be in the movie, and adds higher stakes for her personally.
     
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  24. xeno000

    xeno000 IRON MAN WAS RIGHT!

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    Scarlett appears to have confirmed that Natasha and Steve have an "intimate friendship," which I'm assuming means that they're friends with bennies. It's a PG-13 film, so all we'll see are a few chaste kisses, which is fine. But I'm looking forward to Clint giving Steve the shovel talk in AoU, as well as Tony needling both of them, Natasha for hooking up with an old man and Steve for finally breaking his 90 year drought. :word:
     
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  25. Loki882

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    One thing is for sure, Scarlett isn't putting the kibosh on the Steve/Natasha romance rumors. In fact, everything that she's said seems to add MORE fuel to the speculation fire.
     
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