We're never going to see Vandal and Klarion again, are we?
Vandal Savage: Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the War World. Its five-year mission: to conquer, strange new worlds, to seek out new life and **** it up, to boldly eviscerate what no man has eviscerated before.
Klarion: Vandal, Cartoon Network cancelled us.
Vandal Savage: Then it shall be our continuing mission.
Klarion: We really should have brought Queen Bee.
Yeah I think youre taking this way left field. Bottom line Black Manta should have been a better fighter...he practically got beaten way too easy by everyone he fought.
All that other stuff youre bringing up is irrelevant and beside the point. My point is they could and should have made him a better fighter.
I doubt it was just Clarion that beat three formidable heroes. I'm sure Vandal had a hand. You just don't become leader of the Light on smarts alone. If that were the case than the other "smarter" villains would constantly try to overthrow him. Vandal is definitely more powerful than we were shown, too bad we will never see how powerful.
Show me one solid evidence where Black Manta should have been a better fighter, where was this established in the show? Tell me.
So first you claim he is a better fighter, now you're telling how the writers and creative team should have done their job regarding the character, because it didn't match the way you and only you saw the character.
Then why are Lex Luthor, Queen Bee, Ras' al Ghul and Vanda Savage the top dogs alongside the Brain? Why aren't Monsier Allah, Deathstroke, Sportsmaster in charge?
OMG dude, this is personal opinion.
Yes, but it's based off nothing the show has indicated and just what you would prefer. I'm glad you're admitting this and this is more or less settled. You can make any kind of fan fiction how Earth-16 is the master of Kung-Fu, but that just isn't the truth here.
Anyhow, who here also thinks Barry Allen will bite the dust next week? Wally simply can't keep the family tradition away and not inherit the mantle, he gave his blessings on Impulse becoming Kid Flash.
Anyhow, who here also thinks Barry Allen will bite the dust next week? Wally simply can't keep the family tradition away and not inherit the mantle, he gave his blessings on Impulse becoming Kid Flash.
Maybe I am the only one but Black Beetle is turning out to be my favorite character on this show. Always has the best lines and very formidable. I could probably find out on wikipedia but is he human like Blue Beetle? Or alien like green? When the final battle happens he should be featured heavily in it.
I don't know if Barry will bite it next week, but Wally passing down the Kid Flash title to Bart this episode made it pretty much guaranteed that Wally would be (or would become) the Flash if there was a third season.
Yes, but it's based off nothing the show has indicated and just what you would prefer. I'm glad you're admitting this and this is more or less settled. You can make any kind of fan fiction how Earth-16 is the master of Kung-Fu, but that just isn't the truth here.
Anyhow, who here also thinks Barry Allen will bite the dust next week? Wally simply can't keep the family tradition away and not inherit the mantle, he gave his blessings on Impulse becoming Kid Flash.
Idk. I think Wally is done for good and would not take up the Flash mantle, unless absolutely necessary. I also dont see Flash being killed.
So you think they would have pretty much written out both Wally and Artemis for the rest of the show if it continued (outside of civilian cameos)? Bart will obviously still be around, but that wouldn't mean he'd be the show's primary speedster since his arc will be over by the end of this season. Add that there was going to be another time-skip and who knows where these characters would be at by then.
Plus, I'm not sure how much sense it would make to include Wally West in a show like this without planning for him to become the Flash since it's what he's known for. I mean, if they were going to stick with the comics with Bart becoming the second Kid Flash, then I don't see why they wouldn't have Wally become the Flash at some point.
I see your point. However, since they have been stressing so much that Wally wants to retire and have introduced Bart into the series I'm taking it as their way of giving us a kid flash (Bart) that would take up the mangle of Flash if Barry was in fact killed rather than having the hero and side-kick theme carry on. If there was another time skip of 5+ years then Bart would be old enough to be Flash and wouldn't need to be kid flash anymore IMO.
I see your point, but just don't see Wally becoming Flash if in this universe he is slower than Bart and Bart being his sidekick. Think about it. A slower speedster who has been in retirement comes back to take the mantle of Flash when there is another speedster who at the time will be old enough to be Flash, presumably, and is faster and has just enough experience/skill if not more because he wasn't in retirement. You can't have the side-kick be better and more skilled than the hero...that's an oxymoron and contrary to the hero/sidekick relationship. Either Wally would have to become faster somehow (or is, but doesn't want others to know for whatever reason) or Bart would become Flash in this universe if Barry were to die, with Wally taking on a Jay Garrick type of role.
I see your point. However, since they have been stressing so much that Wally wants to retire and have introduced Bart into the series I'm taking it as their way of giving us a kid flash (Bart) that would take up the mangle of Flash if Barry was in fact killed rather than having the hero and side-kick theme carry on. If there was another time skip of 5+ years then Bart would be old enough to be Flash and wouldn't need to be kid flash anymore IMO.
Quit picking apart everything I say and trying to debate it. D*mn can't I have an opinion?!
Martian Manhunter/Miss Martian would disagree with you. Also just because he's shown to be faster, what makes you think that means he's more efficient? We've seen MANY TIMES where a slower enemy was able to pick Bart off.
Here's a suggestion, if you don't want debate on the opinions you post, then don't write your opinions on a DISCUSSION forum.
But that's under the assumption that the time-skip would be another five years. It might have only be 2-3 and Bart would be a few years under the League's age limit of 18. So the League would be without a speedster unless they make an exception or ask Wally to join. Remember, Wally wanted to retire in the comics too, but that didn't last.
And the show has followed pretty closely with everyone elses legacies from the comics. Dick went from Robin to Nightwing, Artemis assumed the Tigress name this season, Bart will go from Impulse to Kid Flash II, and Roy assumed both Red Arrow and Arsenal. So I don't see why they would have skipped Wally's. Unfortunately, we'll most likely never know since the show got canceled and Weisman probably won't comment since he'd prefer to keep it quiet on the off-chance he gets to come back to this universe in the future.
That's exactly what I felt! I guess it was good enough at bringing closure but I feel like the amount of buildup that went into what went on here, it was a bit anticlimactic. But still enjoyable. I feel more at ease for the ending next week.
I doubt it. Like Vandal said (and was implied earlier) the justice system on Rimbor is built off of bribes and treachery.
Plus I was utterly FLABBERGASTED at the fact that NONE of the Light members had suspected Kaldur of being a traitor. Seriously...?
'My friend.'? Wally, it wasn't since your last speaking role you were convinced Kaldur was a triple agent...
And Lagoon Boy should've just batted MM's hand away in a 'this-doesn't-change-anything' fashion. If someone missed last episode you'd never think they'd just broken up.
Beetle taking over for the Reach in place of the Ambassador didn't surprise me at all.
So question.
Since Green Beetle was on Mode does that mean his scarab also talked to him? We never heard it order him around as Jaimie's did.
Also do you think that Black Beetle is on mode or since he is Reach he does not need to be?
I don't know if Barry will bite it next week, but Wally passing down the Kid Flash title to Bart this episode made it pretty much guaranteed that Wally would be (or would become) the Flash if there was a third season.
where the hell did you get THAT from? he CLEARLY said he was retiring with Artemis.
Idk. I think Wally is done for good and would not take up the Flash mantle, unless absolutely necessary. I also dont see Flash being killed.