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Justice League Zack Snyder’s Original Justice League Sequels Plans Discussion Thread

Do You Like Snyder’s original plans for Justice League Part 2 & 3?

  • Yes. They Sounded Cool.

    Votes: 10 22.2%
  • No. They sound absolutely awful.

    Votes: 35 77.8%

  • Total voters
    45

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This will be a discussion thread to discuss what we know of Snyder’s original ideas for the Justice League stories he had in mind for the sequels. Figured this should get an entire thread to discuss specifically that topic.

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What I liked:
More mera
Green Lantern
Having an Amazon come find Diana

What I didnt like and felt was horrible:
Everything else.

Superman becomes Darkseids little pet and no one can stop him? Boring.

Not even gonna get started on the baby bat of it all.
 
This will be a discussion thread to discuss what we know of Snyder’s original ideas for his two part Justice League story. Figured this should get an entire thread to discuss specifically that topic.



The link includes only half of the photos.
 
They should have explored it, a little bit more....lmao
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The part that I like a lot:

Lex & Legion of Doom.

Otherwise, the storyboard need an overhaul for film version. However, the Knightmare storyboard could serve as a springboard to a version of comics similar to Superman: Red Son.
 
So where was Deathstroke and Joker?

Wow the second movie isn’t even a Knightmare movie. The third movie is the Knightmare story until the last 30-40 minutes probably? Both sequels would have been 3-4 hours again.

“The entire world becomes the Justice League!” LMFAO Zack is a 7 year old.

Some things i liked, some things I didn’t. But one thing is for sure, these two movies need an insane budget. And that’s not even taking into consideration Will Smith’s payday. There is ZERO chance of these movies happening. ZERO percent. I am convinced Cavill would decline and same with Affleck who would have a huge role (he’s basically the lead). With these storyboards out I seriously doubt the powers that be would give ZS money to basically adapt what every fan has been reading today. “Everyone read all the spoilers. We want you to turn those storyboards into 300 million dollar blockbusters!”. No chance.

I’ve been saying it for weeks/months on the main thread and ppl kinda rolled their eyes at me but I was right: that the back & forth deaths/resurrections were too much. It’s overkill. It’s one big step forward, two steps back, rinse and repeat. March 18th has the right arc for Superman and Batman. It’s clean and simple.
 
i actualy liked the entire world becomes the justice league. i like cheese like that. those movies sound very long. like @shauner111 said its basically batman featuring the justice league. more batman centric movies yay. it sounds more like a graphic novel idea than an idea for a blockbuster movie.

the introduction of GL is poor imo. feels forced. im no fan of ZS but i think it could have been okay if the other had solo movies like its menetioned in the draft.
 
Will Smith would never take a small role like that. Maybe you make some adjustments like replacing expensive Willy with Deathstroke. Or drop the Riddler for Joker.

But the entire story for JL 2 & 3 is now revealed to be on the shoulders of one major idea. Lois & Bruce had a baby. Without it, nothing Zack is going for works (not like it does anyway lol). So if it’s not mentioned in ZSJL, you can’t have Lois cheating on a resurrected Clark going into JL2. SO Snyder would have to completely rethink the sequels.

I agree that it’s better for a graphic novel. But even then, it would almost be like a elseworlds tale of the actual upcoming Justice League movie.
 
Snyder should take these ideas and just create his own original property around it like Alan Moore did with Watchmen. These characteristics are different enough from DC that he can get away with it and maybe it becomes a classic.
 
This would have been hilariously bad. A part of me is relieved this will very likely never come to fruition, but another part of me wishes it was made just so I and some friends could have a "2019 Cats" style watch party and laugh at how overwrought it was.

Man, I know people give Snyder a LOT of crap for being too in love with religious symbolism but he really is shameless with it. "The Last Supper of the Justice League." Jesus wept.
 
I liked some of the ideas. Didn’t like that it ended up being Batman’s movie.

I guess I’m done with the “no Lois, Superman breaks” trope. I would’ve used Lois’ death to make Superman go John Wick against Darkseid and his forces. Maybe have Darkseid mind control the rest of The League for a change and have Superman free their minds one at a time, Game Of Death style.
 
This is really minor, but I like using Doctor Poison in the Injustice League. There's always talk of Cheetah like she's WW's only villain. :whatever:

I didn't get the sense in Wonder Woman that Maru had a fixture on Diana she was just obsessed with her experiments so that would've been nice to see.

Everything else, yeah, it's been said... meh.
 
Dunno who this dude is but he's commenting on what was scrapped and what may happen. (Take it with a grain of salt.)


 
Wow, the plans for the sequels sounded massive and way over the top in both a good way and bad way

There were many elements I liked, but other that just didn’t sit right with me. The Bruce & Lois romance sounded cheesy and very unnecessary

Since this is a very early draft it does make me wonder just how much ended up changing during the entire process. I do now that much later on they had planned to still have Batman sacrifice himself and that Lois & Clark had THEIR own son named Jonathan Bruce in honor of both Jonathan Kent and Bruce Wayne.
 
OK my take would actually be somewhere in the
middle.

The Good

- It’s really freaking epic and would make a great story for a contained arc.
- I really dig the Knightmare stuff.
- I love how we kind of got a Legion of Doom.

The bad

- parts of it feel more of the same.
- there’s way too much going on.
- I really don’t see how Superman was restored to glory at the end of this arc? Reading that it felt like more of the same and honestly he came off as chump in parts.

The Awful

- That Lois-Bruce subplot with him been the father of her child is dreadful. It feels like a complete betrayal of the world Snyder himself set up. I know WB got him to remove this arc from what is now ZSJL but there are ways he could easily incorporate it in still. It’s why I think if he does more he shouldn’t be allowed total creative control.
- Also ending it in the future with the next Batman. That just makes me think all his talk about this world revolving around Superman is complete bollocks.

All in all I kind of get why WB balked at this and shut it down. I think it shows Snyder has some great ideas but also some really bad ones. I feel he does need to be reigned in but there would need to be the perfect partnership for that to happen.

There’s a part of me that feels had the 214 cut come out that would probably have been as good to as best of both worlds as we could have gotten. But if and I know it’s unlikely we do get more I hope he would keep some of this stuff and remove others. Plus he’d have to do some condensing as there’s no way he’d get the budget required for this.
 
From what I've heard so far about his original arc for Superman, it doesn't sound like it would have have been received well at all. He really dropped the ball with Superman's character in BvS and never managed to pick it back up afterwards.

Overall, Snyder was definitely not the right guy to handle the DCEU on his own. He could have a million ideas and only a few of them would be good for these characters (imho).
 
I read a very short version of the description, and it doesnt mention anything about Robin's death, or Joker, or Deathstroke, or GL being in JL2, or Carrie Kelly etc etc. Think the ideas were changed A LOT after the initial pitch. Lois/Bruce subplot seems to be the problem for most people, and that was dropped very early on. Rest sounds epic and very interesting to me. Very excited to hear about the Injustice League plot in JL2, and how its very character driven. Sounds perfect.
 
Very sure now how many things would shake up now if JL2 and JL3 are done :

- Riddler and Deadshot replaced by Deathstroke and Joker
- Lois romance subplot removed(and since it was the lynchpin, the store will change significantly), Clark names his son Bruce instead
- Robin's death is going to be explored now as part of new Bruce's arc, Catwoman possibly introduced.
- Instead of Bruce finding a reason in Lois, he will find it in a new Robin, Carrie Kelly, who will carry on his legacy post death, rather than his son.
- Possibly Cheetah instead of Dr. Maru.
- MM and GL introduced earlier.
- Possibly an exploration of the empty pod in MOS.
- Alfred might or might not be dead, although in the pitch he is alive, in Affleck's plans he was dead.

WB wanted a franchise, and this was a closed story. It was more like the 6 LOTR movies, with a beginning and an end, rather than MCU. The overall arching plan sounds really epic and interesting. I really am intrigued by the Injustice League and political reaction to JL concept, the leaguing working together during a natural disaster, as well as the arcs for all the heroes through this saga, the knightmare heist concept for JL3 etc. Zack saying JL2 will be knightmare is also interesting. I was always sceptical of JL2&3 both being about Darkseid invasion, so how they explain that it was so much more, I always wanted JL2 to be a story like Alex Ross's JUSTICE so I like that influence.

And its not like we are getting other JL movies anyway, so I definitely have interest in this over say movies like Booster gold or Black Adam. And all the changes seem to be for the better, so I'm happy with that. Would love to see the whole thing play out in a graphic novel atleast. This makes me even more excited for ZSJL!

PS : The more I read about the original plans, the more my eyebrows are raised when I think of what ended up happening at the other side of the pond.
 
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Zack said he’ll never reveal who was in the MOS pod.

Deadshot and his sacrifice works better than
Deathstroke. But Smith wouldn’t come back for that (it’s also only in the third movie which would be almost a decade away if filmed).

I wonder who he’d cast for Riddler if given the chance.

Please no Cheetah, even in graphic novel form. I’m laughing at how he wanted Dr Poison in there. She was by far the worst part of Wonder Woman (and her acting was cringe).

The only stuff I like is the Knightmare parts, but Zack’s description of a character driven second film sounds off when you read his outline in detail. I guess his definition of “character driven” isn’t the same as mine. Also, the love triangle is straight out of a soap opera. The “she’s pregnant with so and so’s kid but is keeping it from the man she’s with” is honestly the corniest, laziest crap you can write. Cmon Zack :funny: what is this? Days of our Lives?
 
I dont care for the idea, but the inspiration was obviously Excalibur, so I can see where he's coming from. But at the end of the day, the idea was dropped pretty early on so I dont get the outrage lol
 
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