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I found this over at BOF, from a user who got it off IMDB, with a way where Joker's toxin can be made realistic. Check this out:

Excerpt from Clinical Microbiology made Ridiculously Simple (Gladwin and Trattler):

Clostridium tetani causes tetanus, a disease that classically follows a puncture wound by a rusty nail but can follow skin trauma by any object contaminated with spores. C. tetani spores which are commonly found in soil and animal feces are deposited in the wound and can germinate as long as there is a localized environment.

Tetany occurs after the tetanus toxin is taken up at the neuromuscular junction (end plate) and is transported to the central nervous system. There the toxin acts on the inhibitory Renshaw cell interneurons, preventing the release of GABA and glycine, which are inhibitory neurotransmitters. The inhibition of the inhibitory interneurons allows motor neurons to send a high frequency of impulses to muscle cells, which results in a sustained tetanic contraction.

Clinically, the patient with tetanus presents with severe muscle spasms, especially in the muscles of the jaw (called trismus, or lockjaw). The affected patient exhibits a grotesque grinning expression, called risus sardonicus, which is due to spasm of the facial muscles. Mortality is high once the stage of the lockjaw has been reached.


And here's a pic of a guy with the disease:

caep.ca/CMS/images/cjem/p48fig1.jpg
 
Yea, thats how the grin would be produced. Its just that tetanus doesnt do that instantly, it takes a while. But the toxin when inhaled, bla bla bla, neurotransmitters, bla bla, muscle spasms, bla makes the face look like that. Joker's toxin does this but also has a laughing gas kind of affect, which they could either keep or do away with and it would still work in TDK.
 
I know Nolan is looking for realism, but c'mon, its a guy dressed as a bat fighting a guy who permanently looks like a clown.
 
Nolan's going for practical realism, not scientific realism. The device in the end of Begins was entirely fictional, yet Nolan used it in the movie.

Also, I should point out that there's a difference between making Joker's toxin realistic, and making Joker's toxin real. They can make something that sounds real and plausible to the average movie goer, yet actually doesn't exist anywhere in real life, and it's still "realistic".
 
I always figured his gas, in a comic book-y psuedo sience way, was just a laughing gas that was so efficient that it made you laugh so hard it made you unable to breathe, so you would litterally die from laughing (and asphyxiation)
 
Nolan's going for practical realism, not scientific realism. The device in the end of Begins was entirely fictional, yet Nolan used it in the movie.

Also, I should point out that there's a difference between making Joker's toxin realistic, and making Joker's toxin real. They can make something that sounds real and plausible to the average movie goer, yet actually doesn't exist anywhere in real life, and it's still "realistic".

Thank you, Kats. :up:

I swear, if people keep coming up with this ridiculously overdone "realism" stuff, I am going to personally drive around with a nine iron and determine what will "realistically" happen to their teeth if I hit them with it. :o
 
It's not overdone if you just give it a couple of sentences in the movie.

I think establishing a world with internal realism is VERY important - and a little bit of detail goes a long way.


Out of the asphyxiation or lockjaw death, I don't know which I'd choose. Both are pretty cool.
 
I found this over at BOF, from a user who got it off IMDB, with a way where Joker's toxin can be made realistic. Check this out:

Excerpt from Clinical Microbiology made Ridiculously Simple (Gladwin and Trattler):

Clostridium tetani causes tetanus, a disease that classically follows a puncture wound by a rusty nail but can follow skin trauma by any object contaminated with spores. C. tetani spores which are commonly found in soil and animal feces are deposited in the wound and can germinate as long as there is a localized environment.

Tetany occurs after the tetanus toxin is taken up at the neuromuscular junction (end plate) and is transported to the central nervous system. There the toxin acts on the inhibitory Renshaw cell interneurons, preventing the release of GABA and glycine, which are inhibitory neurotransmitters. The inhibition of the inhibitory interneurons allows motor neurons to send a high frequency of impulses to muscle cells, which results in a sustained tetanic contraction.

Clinically, the patient with tetanus presents with severe muscle spasms, especially in the muscles of the jaw (called trismus, or lockjaw). The affected patient exhibits a grotesque grinning expression, called risus sardonicus, which is due to spasm of the facial muscles. Mortality is high once the stage of the lockjaw has been reached.


And here's a pic of a guy with the disease:

caep.ca/CMS/images/cjem/p48fig1.jpg

applause.GIF
 
Since when people are masters of what Nolan thinks???
 
I talked to a lot of people (not on the internet) who dig Begins a lot, but upon hearing The Joker is in it, they get really concerned because, to them, mixing Joker with realism is taking it a bit too far.

But with what I posted, and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease), just proves that someone like The Joker isn't too unrealistic afteral. Someone like The Joker really COULD exist. With diseases that cause people to laugh and smile involuntary, it's entirely pausible.
 
for god's sake, why must everything in this franchise be "made realistic"? I would have no trouble accepting the fact that joker uses a toxin that makes people laugh themselves to death, useless thread, one of many
 
for god's sake, why must everything in this franchise be "made realistic"? I would have no trouble accepting the fact that joker uses a toxin that makes people laugh themselves to death, useless thread, one of many

You're free to make an interesting thread any time you want. ;) :p
 

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