Accidental shooting kills one on set of new Alec Baldwin movie

Would have to be a civil suit. Cause they cannot charge him criminally anymore
 
I’ve read a couple of news items about this dismissal and I’m still confused by the particulars. According to CNN:

The evidence issue first came to light on Thursday. In court, a crime scene technician testified that a man had delivered a box of ammunition to the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office in March after the conviction of “Rust” armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed. The man, Troy Teske, a retired police officer and friend of the armorer’s father, told investigators he believed the ammunition could be associated with the “Rust” incident, crime scene technician Marissa Poppell testified.​

Okay. But the fatal incident on the Rust set occurred in October 2021. And someone delivers a box of ammo to the police in March 2024… What’s the chain-of-custody? Where were these bullets all this time? And how did this Teske fellow get them? Moreover, as a “friend of the armorer’s father,” Teske’s motive might have been to (somehow) mitigate Gutierrez-Reed’s responsibility. But conceivably, that wouldn’t mitigate Baldwin’s responsibility. After all, the prosecution’s theory of the case is that, irrespective of Gutierrez-Reed’s culpability, the buck stopped with Baldwin: he was supposed to verify that his weapon was empty (“cold gun”) as claimed by the assistant director; he was not supposed to aim the gun at anyone; and he was not supposed to pull the trigger (since this was just a camera rehearsal). So I’m not sure how these newly discovered bullets would be relevant to Baldwin’s specific actions — and, therefore, his guilt or innocence.
 
I watched it, so I can explain this a bit.

This guy worked with Hannah's dad and Seth Kinney. They all did a Cowboy training camp involving live rounds to train the actors for 1883, from there Hannah and her dad went to Rust.

Teske had live rounds used in that training camp that looked similar to the ones that ended up in the Rust set. So it appears Hannah or her father may have taken the rounds from this batch to Rust.

The case got dismissed over disclosure issues. This guy took these rounds as evidence of where they may have come from and he spoke to the Crime Tech that was on the stand in this case. Instead of putting these rounds with the Rust case, they opened a new case file specifically for these until they determined what to do with them.

The issue is, they never did anything with them. They stayed on this separate file and never informed the defense of this incident or that these existed. That violates disclosure and discovery laws. Regardless if this was intentional or not.

Does this change the fact that Baldwin pulled the trigger in this case or answer if he was culpable? Probably not, but not having this evidence does violate disclosure laws cause the defense may have done their case entirely differently if they had this information. It also may have altered the investigation and helped them find the source of the rounds. So this created an unfair trial.

What happened here is all on the police and prosecution. They botched this. Badly.
 
Spider-Fan said:
I watched it, so I can explain this a bit.

This guy worked with Hannah's dad and Seth Kinney. They all did a Cowboy training camp involving live rounds to train the actors for 1883, from there Hannah and her dad went to Rust.

Teske had live rounds used in that training camp that looked similar to the ones that ended up in the Rust set. So it appears Hannah or her father may have taken the rounds from this batch to Rust.

The case got dismissed over disclosure issues. This guy took these rounds as evidence of where they may have come from and he spoke to the Crime Tech that was on the stand in this case. Instead of putting these rounds with the Rust case, they opened a new case file specifically for these until they determined what to do with them.

The issue is, they never did anything with them. They stayed on this separate file and never informed the defense of this incident or that these existed. That violates disclosure and discovery laws. Regardless if this was intentional or not.

Does this change the fact that Baldwin pulled the trigger in this case or answer if he was culpable? Probably not, but not having this evidence does violate disclosure laws cause the defense may have done their case entirely differently if they had this information. It also may have altered the investigation and helped them find the source of the rounds. So this created an unfair trial.

What happened here is all on the police and prosecution. They botched this. Badly.
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Thanks for those details. :up:
 
Spider-Fan said:
I watched it, so I can explain this a bit.

This guy worked with Hannah's dad and Seth Kinney. They all did a Cowboy training camp involving live rounds to train the actors for 1883, from there Hannah and her dad went to Rust.

Teske had live rounds used in that training camp that looked similar to the ones that ended up in the Rust set. So it appears Hannah or her father may have taken the rounds from this batch to Rust.

The case got dismissed over disclosure issues. This guy took these rounds as evidence of where they may have come from and he spoke to the Crime Tech that was on the stand in this case. Instead of putting these rounds with the Rust case, they opened a new case file specifically for these until they determined what to do with them.

The issue is, they never did anything with them. They stayed on this separate file and never informed the defense of this incident or that these existed. That violates disclosure and discovery laws. Regardless if this was intentional or not.

Does this change the fact that Baldwin pulled the trigger in this case or answer if he was culpable? Probably not, but not having this evidence does violate disclosure laws cause the defense may have done their case entirely differently if they had this information. It also may have altered the investigation and helped them find the source of the rounds. So this created an unfair trial.

What happened here is all on the police and prosecution. They botched this. Badly.
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In addition, even given what was going on with the trial sans disclosure issues, every person I heard speak about it said this trial wasn't going well for the prosecution and that their own case seemed to point to exoneration before the defense even put their case forward.
 
InCali said:
In addition, even given what was going on with the trial sans disclosure issues, every person I heard speak about it said this trial wasn't going well for the prosecution and that their own case seemed to point to exoneration before the defense even put their case forward.
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That is accurate. Baldwin's lawyer during cross examination of the prosecution's witnesses all resulted in them having "HELP ME" painted on their foreheads
 
Spider-Fan said:
That is accurate. Baldwin's lawyer during cross examination of the prosecution's witnesses all resulted in them having "HELP ME" painted on their foreheads
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I guess those scales of justice work better for people who can afford kick ass attorneys and teams.
 
Can't believe Baldwin is filming a documentary about Rust and his court case. I don't think he's guilty, but really dude? You really need to turn a buck on this?
 
That’s weird. I thought he was just doing some family reality show.

Then again, he never should have done that George Stephanipoulos interview in the first place which was in poor taste.
 
Ah, yes, the ever popular "I think you were wrong Judge, can you fix your mistake".
 
deadline.com

Alec Baldwin’s ‘Rust’: Cinematography Community Criticizes “Distasteful” Decision To Premiere Western At Camerimage

Alec Baldwin’s ‘Rust' will screen at this year's Camerimage Film Festival.
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“I’m all for memorializing Halyna and her beautiful work but not by screening and thereby promoting the film that killed her,” Oscar-nominated Black Panther DoP Rachel Morrison posted on Instagram under the festival’s official post announcing the screening.

Indeed, it’s hard to disagree with this sentiment. It definitely feels unseemly and distasteful to “celebrate” a movie which resulted in a tragedy. On the other hand… many people continue to esteem The Crow — a film that killed its star — as a respectful tribute to Brandon Lee’s final performance.
 
Personally, I think it should be up to her family to decide how they would like to celebrate her. If her husband, her family want it this way. I don’t think the opinions of others matter as much.

“Apparently, her family wants this screening to happen. They say it was her dream to have a film screen at Camerimage,” one member posted. “Her mentor, a former ASC president, is part of the panel. It seems to me that the important people are OK with this.”
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