Accidental shooting kills one on set of new Alec Baldwin movie

My sympathies for everyone involved that's suffering through this. Unbelievably tragic.
 
I’ve already come across a lot of idiots on social media calling for Alec Baldwin to be arrested
 
Drizzle said:
There are countless films that feature someone pointing a gun directly at the camera and firing. I'm assuming that's what this was, only it was a tragic freak accident.
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This was likely the scenario.
 
I was just reading about this on another site. Allegedly, one of the issues was gun safety :wow:
 

How the ever loving **** does a live bullet get anywhere near the prop?

Although, it might not be the traditional "live ammo", since apparently prop people have a different definition of "live", which includes blanks.

And turns out they were using non union labor for their props. So, that explains that...

Drizzle said:
There are countless films that feature someone pointing a gun directly at the camera and firing. I'm assuming that's what this was, only it was a tragic freak accident.
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This wasn't a freak accident. This was gross incompetence.
 
Wonder if this whole thing changes how the studios deal with the IATSE negotiations. Can’t play dumb about dangerous conditions for crew members when a director of photography has been shot dead by an A-list lead actor.
 
Drizzle said:
Well yes, but it's an accident on Baldwin's part.
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Depends on how much of the production he was producer of.

Sawyer said:
Wonder if this whole thing changes how the studios deal with the IATSE negotiations. Can’t play dumb about dangerous conditions for crew members when a director of photography has been shot dead by an A-list lead actor.
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Given the talk of the dangers of the set, along with non-union workers, the members who were not happy with the deal are going to be a big more harder on the deal. I would not be surprised to see if the deal is rejected, and they go on strike.
 
What are the chances this film is cancelled or Baldwin quits after this incident?
 
The first of many, I would think, that will be announcing reviews of safety policies, procedures, and systems of work.
 
The fallout from this will be bad however the wind blows.

Baldwin, and yes, the director and other producers may have had an unsafe set that was made more so by the leaving of all union crew BTS and being replaced by less than professional new employees.

On the other hand even with all that, the set seems to have had issues before this with another "live" fire issue just recently as a week or two ago and there may have been some kind of retrobution by someone that was part of the walk off, though I'm leaning towards incompetence and less malice for this happening, myself.

But the lawsuits will be flying no doubt and Baldwin, however we may feel one way or the other about him personally and how much responsibility he truly has, is probably going to be wrecked by this socially, financially and mentally.
 
Jesus. Between the "it was actually a for-really-reals bullet and not a malfunctioning blank/squib" thing and the crew walkout beforehand over safety (specifically *gun* safety?!), this is only getting more nuts.

Not sure if it was confirmed, but saw something on a news scroll last night about the armorer not being union, or not officially qualified or whatever. Not sure how that even happens, even on some little indie.

I don't know that banning prop guns/blanks across the board is necessarily warranted though, even with this. With people that know what they're doing, I'm sure it's fine. Problem seems to be more "this armorer/safety guy didn't, horrible **** ensues". More regulation's definitely required though, some more formal/rigid accreditation/credential system before they let you perform the job.

Digital stuff basically always looks digital, I'm sure there are directors out there that are going to prefer to do it practical in-camera. Which I think is fine, fair enough. Considering even how awful this and Lee were, I guess in the scheme of things it's pretty damn rare given how many productions Hollywood pumps out yearly and we've had...two incidents. They're sure as hell going to have to start crawling up these peoples' asses with a microscope though, make sure they're legit and are following protocols to the letter.

And yeah, was thinking Baldwin might actually be in some personal crap over this after all, in light of recent information? Not criminal of course, cops seem satisfied it was accidental and he wasn't just waving it around being an irresponsible d*ck. Just more like...he's still a pretty huge A-lister even if he isn't what he used to be, surely he held a bunch of sway over this production, whether he was producing or not. Like...they said this same weapon had malfunctioned earlier - he'd know about that, right? He'd be aware of the walkouts over safety, yadda yadda. Guy would still have the power/influence even now to put his foot down, demand safety stuff be looked at a second time, maybe replacing people who weren't up to the job, whatever the case may be.

Not going to go as far as laying blame on him overall, of course it's the armorer's job to make sure that thing's safe. But I guess if Baldwin was aware a bunch of crew members had major safety concerns and he just shrugged it off without taking a stand, you'd figure he's open to some sort of action.
 
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