AmazonTube: A possible viable competitor to YouTube?

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Amazon has filed a patent for trademarks "Amazon Tube" and "Open Tube".

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-youtube-rival-google-trademark-applications/

Is Amazon (AMZN) considering creating a rival to YouTube? Given a spat it's having with the website's corporate parent Alphabet (GOOG), it just might be. And some recent trademark filings from Amazon are heightening speculation that Amazon could dive into yet another industry.
Earlier this month, the e-commerce and streaming video giant filed for trademarks with the US Patent and Trademark Office for the terms "Amazon Tube" and "Open Tube" that describe a service that bears a strong resemblance to YouTube.
The Dec. 5 Amazon Tube and Open Tube applications use identical language to describe software and a mobile application used for the "transmitting, accessing, receiving, uploading, downloading, encoding, decoding, streaming, broadcasting, sharing, displaying, formatting, manipulating, organizing, bookmarking, tagging, storing, caching, and transferring electronic works … via portable electronic devices, handheld devices, electronic reading devices, portable media players, mobile phones, smartphones, portable digital devices, computers, and other communications networks."
Google, also owned by Alphabet, said it has been trying to reach an agreement with Amazon to give consumers access to each other's products and services but has been stymied by a lack of cooperation from the Seattle-based company.
"… Amazon doesn't carry Google products like Chromecast and Google Home, doesn't make Prime Video available for Chromecast users, and last month stopped selling some of Nest's latest products," according to a YouTube spokesperson. "Given this lack of reciprocity, we are no longer supporting YouTube on Echo Show and FireTV. We hope we can reach an agreement to resolve these issues soon."
YouTube declined to elaborate further, and Amazon didn't respond to a request for comment for this story.


According to blogger Philip Swann, who broke the trademark filing story on his website The TV Answerman, the Amazon applications appeared the same day that Google warned consumers who use the YouTube app on Fire TV devices that it would remove the app effective Jan. 1. Both companies have said they're trying to resolve their disagreement before the end of the year. However, Amazon has yet to put Google's Chromecast on its site as it promised to do last week, according to Swann.
Taking on YouTube would be a tall order even for Amazon, which has disrupted markets both large and small since its founding more than two decades ago given its willingness to sacrifice profit for revenue growth. That strategy has been easier to execute in recent years, thanks to the success of its Amazon Web Services cloud-computing business.
YouTube is one of the most popular websites on the Internet. According to the site, which Google acquired for $1.65 billion in 2006, it attracts more viewers aged 18 to 34 and 18 to 49, both overall and on mobile devices, than any US cable network. People watch a billion hours of YouTube video every day, generating billions of views.
"[A]nything Amazon does should concern the leader," wrote Michael Pachter, an analyst with Wedbush Securities (which rates Amazon as "outperform") in an email. "However, YouTube has a pretty large base of users, so unlikely that an Amazon entry does much more than whittle away at market share. It's highly unlikely that an Amazon video service will ever displace YouTube."
Amazon, though, has a knack for doing the unexpected, ranging from producing award-winning original TV shows and movies to buying the upmarket grocery chain Whole Foods, always with an eye toward disrupting an entire industry.
 
Youtube creators would jump ship in an instant if a decent platform emerged. The website has become a shadow of what it use to stand for, and their blatant favouritism for money making idiots like Logan Paul has alienated so many of its creators.
 
Youtube creators would jump ship in an instant if a decent platform emerged. The website has become a shadow of what it use to stand for, and their blatant favouritism for money making idiots like Logan Paul has alienated so many of its creators.

maybe if we were closer to 2005, but Youtube has become like a second nature to literally almost everyone that uses the internet.
 
Have it be a combo of commercial videos and porn and they can shut up and take my money.
 
They're not gonna break the YouTube empire. "You tubing" something is almost as second nature as "googling" something
 
Too many syllables.
 
Amazon Jungle.

Welcome to the Jungle. A world to be conquered.

Many frustrated Youtubers sold.
 
maybe if we were closer to 2005, but Youtube has become like a second nature to literally almost everyone that uses the internet.

The creators are what keeps it relivant. If Pewdiepie decides to switch platforms you can bet a good chunk of his 50 million subscribers would follow. Creators are really pissed with YouTube at the moment, mostly due to their handling of ad revenue over the last 12 months.
 
Youtube creators would jump ship in an instant if a decent platform emerged. The website has become a shadow of what it use to stand for, and their blatant favouritism for money making idiots like Logan Paul has alienated so many of its creators.

Damn right, I don’t have many subs on my art channel but the crap I have to jump through due to stuff like subs, watch length etc is insane

Hell I nearly lost my channel a few months ago, because some random company tried to hit me with a c&d on behalf of the musician, yet the musician uploads his stuff to be used copyright free.

I contacted him and he told me to dispute it as the company was trying to drum up business by hitting videos and then telling the artist.
 
Unless Amazon can do something special with musicians. It won't go far
 
It is smaller creators who are more likely to jump ship. Of course, the real deal breaker is if Amazon can siphon youtube's advertisers.
 
The creators are what keeps it relivant. If Pewdiepie decides to switch platforms you can bet a good chunk of his 50 million subscribers would follow. Creators are really pissed with YouTube at the moment, mostly due to their handling of ad revenue over the last 12 months.

that is true but like Blackman said unless Amazon attracts musicians, I don't think this will take off. While Pewdiepie is still the king of Youtube, it's musicians that get hundreds of millions to billions of views.
 
It is smaller creators who are more likely to jump ship. Of course, the real deal breaker is if Amazon can siphon youtube's advertisers.

Not a matter of if when we're talking about the one-stop shop for almost every advertiser.
 
Aren't a lot of people switching over to Twitch?
 
I hope it's a worthy competitor to YouTube. There's a lot of good things about YouTube, but it seriously needs competition. I hate how they change their layout every few months. It's like an antsy website that can't sit still.
 
Most of the problems with YouTube are with its CEO who has made most of the decisions that people hate about the platform. AmazonTube or whatever it's called can't do worse, but Blackman is right that unless they pull a Vevo-like service for musicians or up and comers in the industry this will probably flop.
 
Unlikely. Youtube, as a brand, has a 10 year head start on any competitor that jumps into the game at this point. As Blackman pointed out, YouTubing is basically the equivalent to Googling. That kind of brand recognition is hard to come by.

Moreover, I'm not sure I trust people running Amazon's instant video initiatives. Amazon Video has been active for about 10 years now. Its still ****. Despite a recent UI overhaul it is still clunky, slower than its competitors, and less user-friendly. I mean, heck, Amazon probably has the best selection (not counting original programming) out of any of its major competitors, Hulu and Netflix...yet it is miles behind the other two, even though they literally give it away with Prime, because its such a crappy setup. I don't think Amazon has it to design something that can compete with Youtube.
 
They most likely will resource any software efforts to their Twitch and Amazon Instant Video staff.
 
Unlikely. Youtube, as a brand, has a 10 year head start on any competitor that jumps into the game at this point. As Blackman pointed out, YouTubing is basically the equivalent to Googling. That kind of brand recognition is hard to come by.

Moreover, I'm not sure I trust people running Amazon's instant video initiatives. Amazon Video has been active for about 10 years now. Its still ****. Despite a recent UI overhaul it is still clunky, slower than its competitors, and less user-friendly. I mean, heck, Amazon probably has the best selection (not counting original programming) out of any of its major competitors, Hulu and Netflix...yet it is miles behind the other two, even though they literally give it away with Prime, because its such a crappy setup. I don't think Amazon has it to design something that can compete with Youtube.

What's being overlooked is the user base. It's primarily younger audiences who watch Youtube, and they are going to follow where their creators go. If a whole bunch of the top creators jump ship to Amazon who are giving them a better advertising deal the audience is going to follow them. Youtube will lose literally millions of views, and therefore millions of dollars, overnight. We forget Myspace was once the biggest social media platform for years before Facebook came along. Youtube as a brand relies on its creators, if the creators aren't there then the brand has no value.
 
What's being overlooked is the user base. It's primarily younger audiences who watch Youtube, and they are going to follow where their creators go. If a whole bunch of the top creators jump ship to Amazon who are giving them a better advertising deal the audience is going to follow them. Youtube will lose literally millions of views, and therefore millions of dollars, overnight. We forget Myspace was once the biggest social media platform for years before Facebook came along. Youtube as a brand relies on its creators, if the creators aren't there then the brand has no value.

Its symbiotic. Some users will follow. Others will not. If the users don't go, the ad-revenue will not be greater. Youtube and the creators know that it is in both of their best interest to remain with Youtube. Youtube will give better advertising deals to incentivize creators to stay. And while they may not be as good as Amazon's deals, by and large, creators will stay to remain with the brand recognition of Youtube.

Also, MySpace vs Facebook is a false equivalence. MySpace launched in August 2003. Facebook launched in February 2004. These two brands were built simultaneously. MySpace never had a prolonged period of unchallenged market dominance. They were founded almost simultaneously and then one pulled away from the other. Here, on the other hand, Youtube has been in existence since 2005. So it has a 10 + year head start on AmazonTube. That type of unopposed market dominance has allowed YouTube to create a brand. That brand recognition means something to consumers/viewers. The creators on YouTube are presumably smart enough to know this. This was never an issue with Facebook vs MySpace.
 
Frankly AmazonTube is a godawful brand name.

They need to add these ideas and features to Amazon Video rather than creating a whole separate platform. Add youtube type functionality to the Amazon Video app. Overhaul the Amazon Video platform and relaunch it with all these new features. Allow people to create channels and videos and playlists and upload their own videos to Amazon Video.

That's how YouTube is now. It has all the old school YouTube stuff (channels, playlists, user uploaded videos), but YouTube also has movies you can rent and stream. Its all in one platform.
 
Its symbiotic. Some users will follow. Others will not. If the users don't go, the ad-revenue will not be greater. Youtube and the creators know that it is in both of their best interest to remain with Youtube. Youtube will give better advertising deals to incentivize creators to stay. And while they may not be as good as Amazon's deals, by and large, creators will stay to remain with the brand recognition of Youtube.

Also, MySpace vs Facebook is a false equivalence. MySpace launched in August 2003. Facebook launched in February 2004. These two brands were built simultaneously. MySpace never had a prolonged period of unchallenged market dominance. They were founded almost simultaneously and then one pulled away from the other. Here, on the other hand, Youtube has been in existence since 2005. So it has a 10 + year head start on AmazonTube. That type of unopposed market dominance has allowed YouTube to create a brand. That brand recognition means something to consumers/viewers. The creators on YouTube are presumably smart enough to know this. This was never an issue with Facebook vs MySpace.

Fans will follow where ever the creators go because they are loyal to the creators brand, not youtube's brand. I follow the happenings on Youtube quite a lot and what the community is going through. A lot of those creators have millions of supporters who know the frustrations the content creators are going through at the moment. Youtube is in a strange place at the moment where it can't clarify it's own stance on what constitutes the type of content that's allowed on their platform, and this is making life hell for creators costing them countless thousands of dollars. Creators might want to be loyal to Youtube, but they're also not giving them much incentive to be loyal.

If a rival comes along that irons out those issues and delivers a system that isn't going to cost creators thousands in ad revenue and maybe even adds something new to the experience then it's only going to take one big name channel to move across and show the positives of the new platform for there to be an avalanche of creators jumping ship.
 
Like others said, if you have a fanbase and you swap platforms for whatever reason (more freedom, better pay) then the fans will almost always follow.

If some of the big names that I like went over to Amazon then I'd probably hop over to watch them too.
 
I don't think Youtube will ever go the way of Myspace but I don't think current Youtube as it is being run now is sustainable.

People don't care where they watch their content, as long as they can access it on their chosen devices.
 

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