Anti Vaxxers take a hit in California

[KevanG]

It still doesn't change the fact I never see the pro vaccine side point out the 1 in a million chance of very bad things happening when discussing this issue. In fairness the anti vaxxer side doesn't either so they equally as guilty. I do think any discussion from the pro vaccine side though should bring up the chances of bad things happening then just ignore the extremely low chance something bad might happen if you take a vaccine. If they address it and point out worse things can happen if you don't take it, I think it gives their argument more credibility. The fact it's ignored seems like they hiding things to some people

I googled vaccine side effects and this was literally the second link. It's from the CDC explaining about various side effects. They outline them very clearly. If people are whining about not knowing about what side effects may occur then they never bothered to do thirty seconds of research.

The CDC explains the benefits and potential issues with each vaccine and outlines how bad it can get. The information is there and easily obtainable from hundreds of sources if anyone bothered to look at it. When I searched I didn't even think of looking on the CDC website but there it was along with things like webMD, kidshealth and other sites that make it easier to understand.

Besides shoving the information in their faces or tying them up and making them listen to someone recite it there's not a huge amount else that can be done to inform them. The info is in doctors offices and hospitals worldwide and easily thousands of websites.

I didn't even know we had an anthrax vaccine.

 

[SV Fan]

I googled vaccine side effects and this was literally the second link. It's from the CDC explaining about various side effects. They outline them very clearly. If people are whining about not knowing about what side effects may occur then they never bothered to do thirty seconds of research.

Yeah it's easy to find online, I am talking on TV when the bring in the expert doctor to counter any claims that harm may be done taking vaccines. Even if it's only 1 in a million chance bad things can happen they should mention that instead of acting like there is no possible danger

I do think being 100% honest about the extremely low percenatge of something bad happening(while pointing out the negatives of not taking vaccines being more harmful) would squash the antivaxxer going out and finding that one in a million case and saying, see you are wrong bad things can happen

You have to be kidding.

The pro vaccine side is guilty of not mentioning the 1 in a million chance something could go wrong, the anti vaxxer side is guilty of overplaying the possible chance of harm while downplaying the probablity of harm not taking it, so yes both are guilty and I am serious.

The main problem from the pro vacine side though is the anti vaxxer side will find that 1 in a million case and say, see you are wrong bad stuff can happen

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

It seems odd to me that you keep focusing on the "problems" of the pro-vaccine side, when it's not the side lacking credibility, science, logic and consistency.

 

[cronosred]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/sor...igns-bill-limiting-school-vaccine-exemptions/

Despite heavy public opposition Gov. Brown signed legislation removing religious or personal belief based reasoms to exempt a child from getting vaccinated for school.

Last December an outbreak of Measles at Disneyland led to more than 100 cases in many states. Srvrtal other communicable diseases have shown indications of breaking out.

Previously Measles appeared to have been eliminated within the US.

So they can take their rights away for the good of the people but we can't get stricter gun control laws why?

 

[cronosred]

It seems odd to me that you keep focusing on the "problems" of the pro-vaccine side, when it's not the side lacking credibility, science, logic and consistency.

Should people just ignore the potential problems and blindly inject ourselves with whatever we're told to?

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

Yes, because that's exactly what I'm saying.

 

[Mightmitenot]

So they can take their rights away for the good of the people but we can't get stricter gun control laws why?

Sacramento vs Washington DC laws.

 

[Mightmitenot]

And it just got worse.

Wahington state woman just died of Measles.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/07/02/measles-death-washington-state/29624385/

 

[KevanG]

So they can take their rights away for the good of the people but we can't get stricter gun control laws why?

Because the NRA has backing from a lot more people than random idiots across the world.

Should people just ignore the potential problems and blindly inject ourselves with whatever we're told to?

No, that's dumb. Basic research is much smarter. If people refuse to try and research or even attempt to use common sense to understand an issue then no one can help them but themselves.

 

[SerialPeacemake]

The pro side is guilty of not mentioning the 1 in a million chance something could go wrong, the anti vaxxer side is guilty of overplaying the possible chance of harm while downplaying the probablity of harm not taking it, so yes both are guilty and I am serious.

The main problem from the pro vacine side though is the anti vaxxer side will find that 1 in a million case and say, see you are wrong bad stuff can happen

In fairness the anti vaxxer side doesn't either so they equally as guilty

SOME vaccine guys are guilty of not mentioning the astronomical low chance of serious complication when taking a vaccine while ALL anti vacciners are guilty of endangering the lives of their children and those( theses people really can't take vaccine for real, legitimate reasons)who were protected by herd immunity.

No, their level of guilt is far from equal.

 

[SV Fan]

SOME vaccine guys are guilty of not mentioning the astronomical low chance of serious complication when taking a vaccine while ALL anti vacciners are guilty of endangering the lives of their children and those( theses people really can't take vaccine for real, legitimate reasons)who were protected by herd immunity.

No, their level of guilt is far from equal.

I said they both equally guilty of not mentioning the low probability of bad things happening when they trying to present their case so I stand by my statement that both are equally guilty of not fully giving the facts.

Infact of all the people both pro and anti vaccinations I see on TV it was only 1 anti vaxxer who I seen point out their is a very small percentage argument so my statement might be wrong saying both are equally guilty because that is 1 more person I seen on the anti vaccine side then the pro side admit the truth of a low probability(albeit that person was arguing on the basis that people should be free to do what they want in a libertarian mindset as opposed to thinking vaccines are bad)

 

[moviedoors]

I said they both equally guilty of not mentioning the low probability of bad things happening when they trying to present their case so I stand by my statement that both are equally guilty of not fully giving the facts.

Infact of all the people both pro and anti vaccinations I see on TV it was only 1 anti vaxxer who I seen point out their is a very small percentage argument so my statement might be wrong saying both are equally guilty because that is 1 more person I seen on the anti vaccine side then the pro side admit the truth of a low probability(albeit that person was arguing on the basis that people should be free to do what they want in a libertarian mindset as opposed to thinking vaccines are bad)

You are way hung up on this one in a million thing. It's not like anyone is literally hiding that fact. Maybe it doesn't need to get brought every time there's a vaccine debate because it's a one a million chance. It's a minor blip compared to the anti-vaxxer's body count.

And come on; you saw one anti-vaxxer mention this on TV so therefore they have a better handle on this probability? I know you're smarter than this.

 

[SV Fan]

You are way hung up on this one in a million thing. It's not like anyone is literally hiding that fact. Maybe it doesn't need to get brought every time there's a vaccine debate because it's a one a million chance. It's a minor blip compared to the anti-vaxxer's body count.

I think everybody is missing my point. basically when you bring "experts" on TV to talk about vaccines and you ask them a simple question can anything go bad, and their response basically says no, it discredits their stance(in the eyes of some people) when the anti vaxxer side finds that 1 in a million case to prove them wrong. The pro vaccine experts would be much better in their messaging if they are 100% honest of the extremely small chance of bad things happening when asked if bad things could happen(and point out as you say of all the bad things that happen if you don't do them in comparison)

And come on; you saw one anti-vaxxer mention this on TV so therefore they have a better handle on this probability?

Well as I said it was a libertarian who was pointing out the personal rights side of the argument, so unlike the pro vax side or the anti vax side he didn't have anything to downplay pointing out the truth

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

It's now a thing world wide. Countries are basically outlawing these morons from getting people killed.

And that's good.

 

[KevanG]

I think everybody is missing my point. basically when you bring "experts" on TV to talk about vaccines and you ask them a simple question can anything go bad, and their response basically says no, it discredits their stance(in the eyes of some people) when the anti vaxxer side finds that 1 in a million case to prove them wrong. The pro vaccine experts would be much better in their messaging if they are 100% honest of the extremely small chance of bad things happening when asked if bad things could happen(and point out as you say of all the bad things that happen if you don't do them in comparison)



Well as I said it was a libertarian who was pointing out the personal rights side of the argument, so unlike the pro vax side or the anti vax side he didn't have anything to downplay pointing out the truth

I think the point is that it's a well documented and easily verifiable fact that the vaccines aren't 100% so it's not worth mentioning constantly. Unlike the anti-vaxxer BS which makes up imaginary claims of death and murder, anyone can check that with reputable organizations like the CDC.

Why harp on about it being 99.9999% safe when all the opposition will hear is 'Neener neener we told you it wasn't safe' then blow it all out of proportion. It's not worth the time or effort and that's the last I'm saying on this as it's all that needs to be said by this point in the conversation. You want to know more about the why, then tweet an official from the CDC or something.

 

[Marvolo]

Herd immunity shouldn't be an option. It should be mandatory and required by law. It keeps people with compromised immune systems, who can't be vaccinated, safe.

 

[Victarion]

Great news! I would hate for there to be another incident like that Disney thing.

 

[KevanG]

Herd immunity shouldn't be an option. It should be mandatory and required by law. It keeps people with compromised immune systems, who can't be vaccinated, safe.

Herd immunity is a great thing but if the herd doesn't do it then what's the ****ing point?

I still have a hard time following the anti-vaxxers 'science' about how either the vaccines don't work or cause mass waves of autism when it doesn't ****ing add up. If it was the case for autism then everyone or at least a massive amount of the population would have a severe form of it and I bet they can't name one person they know out of a thousand that has any type of it. We know the vaccines work due to those idiots helping bring back diseases that were all but wiped out.

Medicine only works when applied properly people.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

There are actually funds for the one in a million kids that have severe reactions to a vaccine. So if by some tiny small off chance it does happen the kid is taken care of

And anti-vaxxers can go screw themseves, they suck

 

[Leafar the Lost]

Anti-Vaxxers truly are idiots. Diseases that we cured, like Polio and Measles, are coming back due to these idiots. Jim Carrey is an idiot too.