Anyone else use/mine Bitcoin?

The technology is open-source. The block chain is literally a public ledger.
 
Which naturally means there can never be any malfeasance involved.
 
Who is the guarantor of Bitcoin? How is its issue and supply moderated? Unless it is in some way related to another, bona fide measure of wealth, it will soon transpire to be worthless.
 
It's moderated by mathematics.

Every purchase made with bitcoin is logged digitally on the block chain, which records every transaction, and knows the address of ownership for every single coin. The block chain is verified constantly by miners who are rewarded with bitcoins. It's mathematically impossible for this process to be back-hacked.

You can't counterfeit a bitcoin, like you can with cash. Checks bounce, bitcoins don't - they're confirmed as received much more quickly. Credit cards have high transaction fees, bitcoins don't.

The release of bitcoins is based on mathematics. There will be 21 million bitcoins by 2140. A central authority can't just decide to print more, as they do with money, which causes inflation.
 
So who issues it, then?

And if its security is dependent on a low transaction rate, why do you suggest that it may become a dominant currency?

Isn't everything "regulated by mathematics?" Would you endorse a complete deregulation of mortgage backed securities, on the basis that mathematics will do the job by itself?
 
I didn't say its security is dependent on a low transaction rate. One of the benefits of it is its low transaction rate, but that's not what its security depends on.

One reason that bitcoin may become a dominant currency is because people buy a lot of **** online, and buying things online as it turns out is a very expensive process for banks and credit card companies, and the costs are then put on to the customer. Bitcoin solves this, and its faster to confirm transactions with bitcoin. People have also been looking for a way to take power away from banks, bitcoin's a way to do it.

I honestly think people don't really understand bitcoin, which is why there's misconceptions and misunderstandings and a lack of knowledge of how it works which leads into a fear of it.
 
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Also here is an FAQ.

https://bitcoin.org/en/faq
 
I don't pretend to have much knowledge about it, which is why I am asking you for more information.

I do remember a number of supposed New Alternatives to Real Currency, however, and they all either turned out to be scams, or currencies under another name with less regulation and no central bank as guarantor.
 
Fair enough. I'd just say to look more into it. Take a look at the FAQ above.

You'll find many articles online both for and against bitcoin. People convinced that its gonna revolutionize the way people make transactions. Other people convinced that its doomed for failure.
 
Mining bitcoin is profitable only if you have the most powerful machines, aka Asic, which means only rich (and crazy) people are making money.
 
That's not true. You can mine without powerful machines and make more profit than mining bitcoin directly.

Here's a video describing how to do that.

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And now the very core of Bitcoin is compromised. Whoops?

Bitcoin security guarantee shattered by anonymous miner with 51% network power

For the first time in Bitcoin's five-year history, a single entity has repeatedly provided more than half of the total computational power required to mine new digital coins, in some cases for sustained periods of time. It's an event that, if it persists, signals the end of the crypto currency's decentralized structure.

Researchers from Cornell University say that on multiple occasions, a single mining pool repeatedly contributed more than 51 percent of Bitcoin's total cryptographic hashing output for spans as long as 12 hours. The contributor was GHash, which bills itself as the "#1 Crypto & Bitcoin Mining Pool." During these periods, the GHash operators had unprecedented powers that circumvented the decentralization that is often held up as a salient advantage Bitcoin has over traditional currencies. So-called 51 percenters, for instance, have the ability to spend the same coins twice, reject competing miners' transactions, or extort higher fees from people with large holdings. Even worse, a malicious player with a majority holding could wage a denial-of-service attack against the entire Bitcoin network.

Like tremblers before a major earthquake, most of GHash's 51-percent spans were relatively short. Few people paid much attention, since shortly after a miner loses the majority position, it also loses its extraordinary control. Then, on June 12, GHash produced a majority of the power for 12 hours straight, a sustained status that enables precisely the type of doomsday scenario some researchers have warned was possible.
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There's no evidence the anonymous operators of GHash exercised any of those abilities. Still, the mere possibility undermines a core Bitcoin tenet that it be decentralized so it can't be controlled by a single entity.

"A 51 percenter can control which Bitcoin transactions happen," wrote Ittay Eyal, a post-doctorate researcher in Cornell's Department of Computer Science, in an e-mail to Ars. "It becomes a monopoly. It can set arbitrarily high transaction fees, for example, or even extort someone to allow them to perform transactions. It could block or delay all transactions but its own. One of Bitcoin's goals was to be a free system, independent of anyone's control. With small pools, no one has this kind of control. With a 51 percenter, there is."

GHash's ascendency to a majority miner comes even as its operators pledged never to cross the 51-percent threshold. It also comes less than a year after GHash was accused of using its considerable hashing power to attack a gambling site. Emin Gün Sirer, a Cornell professor who works with Eyal, agreed there was no evidence GHash or its operators at CEX.io took advantage of the recent majority positions. In his own e-mail, he added:

But having a single entity in GHash's position, of holding 51 percent of the mining power, of being in a monopoly position, of being able to launch any of these attacks at will, completely violates the spirit and intent of Bitcoin as a currency.

Bitcoin's value proposition stems from its technological foundation, which in turn is based on building distributed trust. People flock to Bitcoin because they do not trust the fiat infrastructure, they hold Bitcoin because they are worried that the people in charge of USD can inflate it at will or usurp money from their accounts. But now, with a monopoly miner, they are suddenly in a position where they have to, once again, trust a single entity to remain benign.

This completely collapses the Bitcoin narrative that the Bitcoin community has been using to draw in new users. If we are to trust GHash's good will and ongoing benign behaviors, we might as well do away with the entire Bitcoin protocol and replace the system with a simple database server kept on GHash's premises.

Worse, no one knows who exactly is behind GHash/CEX.io. They have had an episode where they did a double-spend attack against a gambling site in the past. But even if GHash could be trusted right now, a single entity in command of the currency represents a single point of failure for the Bitcoin economy.
Officials with GHash didn't respond to an e-mail seeking comment for this article. Eyal and Sirer's previous research into Bitcoin weaknesses has been criticized by some as being exaggerations that aren't possible in practice. Matt Green, a Johns Hopkins University professor specializing in cryptography and the security and anonymity of Bitcoin, said whatever mitigations there may be, GHash's 51-percent stake is a significant development.

"If they tried to do [something malicious] people would notice and there would be blowback," Green told Ars. "So it's not the end of the world. Nonetheless, the security model of Bitcoin depends on no miner having (even close to) majority. Right now that assumption is being violated."

Eyal and Sirer reported their observations of GHash in a blog post published Friday headlined It's Time For a Hard Bitcoin Fork. Such a redesign should recognize the existing Bitcoin blockchain to ensure backwards compatibility, but it should incorporate changes to fix three fundamental problems threating the viability of Bitcoin as a currency that's immune from manipulation. The changes include restructuring blocks in a way that disincentives mining pools, closes the threat of so-called "selfish mining" attacks that allow a small number of miners to control Bitcoin, and improves visibility into any attempts to manipulate the Bitcoin blockchain.

The Cornell researchers rejected arguments some Bitcoin advocates have asserted that attacks on the Bitcoin blockchain are infeasible because they would require 51 percenters to act against their own investments in hardware and interest in a stable digital currency. From the start, the researchers said, the point of Bitcoin has been to incorporate strong cryptography as a self-policing system that ensured all players were on equal footing.

"Overall, there is absolutely no reason to trust GHash or any other miner," they wrote in Friday's post. "People in positions of power are known to abuse it. A group with a history or double-expenditures just blithely went past the 51 percent psychological barrier: this is not good for Bitcoin."
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^^ Well, I guess then we have to find this guy and "persuade" him to drop bit coins forever or else.. :o
 
Not Bitcoin itself but it's ugly dog, Dogecoin.

Hacker infects Synology storage devices, makes off with $620,000 in Dogecoin

A hacker generated digital coins worth more than $620,000 by hijacking a popular type of Internet-connected storage device from Synology, security researchers said.

The incident, which was documented in a research report published Tuesday by Dell SecureWorks, is only the latest hack to steal other people's computing resources to perform the computationally intense process of digital currency mining. The cryptographic operations behind the process often draw large amounts of power and produce lots of heat. People looking to acquire a large war chest of digital coins typically must pour large amounts of money and effort into the endeavor. One way malicious actors get by this requirement is by compromising large numbers of devices operated by other people. The devices then perform the work at the expense of the unsuspecting end users and pass on the proceeds to the attacker.

According to researchers from SecureWorks Counter Threat Unit, the attackers exploited four separate vulnerabilities contained in the software of Synology network-attached storage boxes. The vulnerabilities were documented in September and fixed in February by Synology. By then, large numbers of people began complaining their Synology devices were running sluggishly and extremely hot. It turns out that at least some of them were running software that mined large sums of the Dogecoin cryptocurrency.

"To date, this incident is the single most profitable, illegitimate mining operation," SecureWorks researcher Pat Litke wrote. "This conclusion is based in part on prior investigations and research done by the Counter Threat Unit, as well as further searching on the Internet. As cryptocurrencies continue to gain momentum, their popularity as a target for various malware will continue to rise (as can be seen here, in figure 1)."

Given the expense and hassle of mining cryptocurrencies, attackers have been sneaking mining code onto other people's devices for years now; given the skyrocketing prices of Bitcoin, the practice has become more common. In April 2013, researchers unearthed a trojan that spread on Skype that mined bitcoins. A month later, an e-sports service was caught updating its software to secretly mint more than $3,600 worth of the digital currency on the backs on end users. Android apps with millions of downloads have also been found harboring surreptitious mining routines.

The open-source software added to hacked Synology devices was called CPUMiner. It was specially compiled to run on DiskStation Manager, a version of Linux for network devices. By examining the configuration settings, SecureWorks researchers were able to find the public key corresponding to the attacker's Dogecoin wallet. Based on that detail, they concluded the attacker is of German descent and was able to mine more than 500 million Dogecoins, with a face value of $620,496.

The incident is a potent reminder why it's important to install security updates on all Internet-connected devices. Synology users can find more information here on how to patch their devices.
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Well that's a good days haul.
 
FBI Leaks List of Possible Drug Bitcoin Buyers

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The feds might've been clever enough to take down a shadowy internet drug ring, but it still hasn't mastered the email BCC: CoinDesk reports a list of people and companies interested in the US Marshals seized, $18 million Bitcoin auction is now out in the open.

The slip-up occurred just like it always does when someone screws up a simple reply-all: "In a statement to CoinDesk, Lynzey Donahue, a U.S. Marshals spokeswoman, indicated that the emailer had intended to send all the recipients an attached informational document and to blind copy all those it intended to contact."

Oh well, here are the highlights of the 40-person thread, according to CoinDesk:

Daniel Folkinshteyn, assistant professor at Rowan University
Barry Silbert, CEO for SecondMarket
Luther Lowe, director of public policy for Yelp
Malcolm Oluwasanmi, chairperson of Little Phoenix Investment Group
Fabrice Evangelista, quantitative arbitrage at BNP Paribas
Michal Handerhanm, co-founder and COO of Bitcoin Shop
Dave Goel, managing general partner of Matrix Capital Management
Dinuka Samarasinghe, investment professional
Chris DeMuth Jr., Wrangeley Capital
Fred Ehrsam, co-founder, Coinbase
Jonathan Disner, corporate counsel at DRW Trading Group
William Brindise, head investment manager at DigitalBTC
Michael Moro, director at SecondMarket
Jennifer R. Jacoby, lawyer at WilmerHale
Sam Lee, co-founder, Bitcoins Reserve
Shem Booth-Spain, artist and musician
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I am shocked to see nary a single Winklevoss on the list, but it could be incomplete. Or maybe they're not so liquid these days after that triplex.

http://www.coindesk.com/list-possible-silk-road-bitcoin-bidders-allegedly-leaked-us-marshals/

It's hilarious that they can take down an underground black market yet they don't know how to use email properly
 
Even venture-backed Bitcoin miner startup can’t deliver on time, gets sued

More on the woes of the wondercoin.

Yet another Bitcoin miner manufacturer, CoinTerra, now faces legal action for not fulfilling an order when it originally promised to. CoinTerra is the third Bitcoin-related startup to face litigation for breach of contract and/or fraud in recent months.

The CoinTerra lawsuit was filed in late April 2014 by an Oakland, California-based man seeking to be the lead plaintiff in a proposed class-action lawsuit. Lautaro Cline, the suit alleges, purchased a TerraMiner IV in October 2013 for delivery by January 2014. The company promised, he claims, that this miner would operate at two terahashes per second and would consume 1,200 watts of power. It did neither.

However, Cline’s suit also claims that CoinTerra did not deliver the miner until February 2014, and it “operated well below the speed advertised and consumed significantly more power than CoinTerra represented, causing Plaintiff to suffer significant lost profits and opportunities.”

Neither CoinTerra nor its attorneys responded to Ars’ request for comment.

Cline’s attorney, Edward Mullins, told Ars that his client and CoinTerra are currently seeking mediation—an arrangement that takes place privately and outside of the court system where the two sides negotiate a deal.

“We hope to have it resolved sometime this summer,” Mullins said. “If it doesn’t work out then we will go forward [with the lawsuit.]”

Last week, CoinTerra formally asked the court for more time so it could arrange mediation.

Another firm, HashFast, recently sustained several lawsuits and arbitration cases. As a result, it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection earlier this month (PDF). Rival firm Butterfly Labs has also been bogged down with similar delays, allegations of fraud, and lawsuits.

CoinTerra’s struggles add to the ever-increasing list of legal cases involving alleged Bitcoin-fueled fraud: The Bitcoin Savings and Trust hedge fund collapse; the high-profile Silk Road takedown (a treacherous story combining Bitcoin, drugs, and alleged murders); and earlier this year, the implosion of Mt. Gox, once the currency's largest exchange.

"Not fair compensation"

The CoinTerra suit outlines a familiar tale: a company advertises a certain product with a certain hashing power—essentially the speed at which it can mine bitcoins—but fails to deliver.

Back in August 2013, CoinTerra announced that it had raised $1.5 million in venture capital. That money would likely to be used for the production of the TerraMiner IV, a two terahash per second ASIC Bitcoin miner that was originally priced at $13,999 and was set to ship in December 2013.

Initially, CoinTerra seemed well-placed to succeed. The startup was founded by a team that appears to have extensive experience in the industry. The company’s CEO, Ravi Iyengar, was Lead CPU Architect at Samsung for two years and worked out of the Samsung Austin Research Center. The head of the company’s advisory board is Naveed Sherwani, an Intel veteran and current chair of the Global Semiconductor Association Technical Steering Committee. Sherwani literally wrote the book on very-large-scale integration (VLSI) semiconductor design and production.

But even they couldn’t seem to get their act together. While the TerraMiner IV’s price got slashed, the ship dates started to slip. In this case, Cline purchase his TerraMiner IV on October 3, 2013 and paid $6,289.20 for it. When the TerraMiner IV didn’t arrive by the end of January 2014, CoinTerra offered its customers two compensation items to apologize for missing its deadline.

The first was a 15 percent discount for future orders from CoinTerra, while the second was a full refund and five percent coupon. Cline responded to CoinTerra saying that these options were “not fair compensation.” Instead, he proposed that CoinTerra provide a hardware replacement or an exchange when the company had a printed circuit board that could run at two terahashes per second. The company never responded, Cline claims.

In the end, the Oakland man says he received his miner on February 25, 2014, and it only operated at 1.6 terahashes per second while consuming 2,100 watts of power.

In a blog post published last Thursday, CoinTerra said that only a "small percentage" of customers had requested a refund.

"Although it has sometimes taken longer than we had hoped, we are now making good progress in addressing the backlog and processing remaining requests," it wrote. "As of today, we have fulfilled well over 50 percent of the pre-order refund requests made, and we are working towards resolving the remaining valid refund requests in the next 20 days."

While CoinTerra, HashFast, and Butterfly Labs struggle, there is one company that seems to have figured things out.

KnCMiner, a company based in Sweden, just recently boasted the release of a 20-nanometer ASIC processor, dubbed “Neptune.” Its third batch of Neptune boxes (with five chips inside) sells for $5,995.

Nanok Bie, the new chief marketing officer of KnCMiner, told Ars on Monday that the company is about to announce its first-year financials soon. He said the company expects to post around $110 million in revenue after its first fiscal year of operation, and it has just under 100 employees. He declined to say whether the company is profitable.

Bie noted that as far as he knew—and he was only recently hired a few weeks ago—the company has not yet faced any lawsuits in Europe. Similarly, US federal court records show that no suit has been brought against KnCMiner.

Millions and millions…

While Bie was unable to explain why his company has been more successful than its competitors, he noted that it has always put target ship dates as quarters, rather than months or weeks.

“If you ordered [a Batch 3 Neptune] today, we will deliver it in [the third quarter of 2014,]” he said. “We don’t make promises that we can’t keep. I would have to say Q3. It’s hard for me to say what the other guys are doing.”
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How to mine cryptocurrency and save the planet

Back in April, Bloomberg's Mark Gimein gave us some food for thought when he did some math that proved that Bitcoin is destroying the planet. Well, not quite. But apparently 24 hours of mining the cryptocurrency equates to around $147,000 of electricity. That's a lot of trees being felled somewhere to make some easy money.

Now, a new cryptocurrency wants to try to upend that trend and use mining to make the world a better place. Or at least a cleaner one.

"It'll be mined by real-world actions," Brooklyn-based Emrals creator Sean Auriti told Motherboard. More specifically, it can be mined by throwing garbage in a public trash can. Sounds like a no-brainer, but you'll have to give up some personal details to achieve this.

The WiFi enabled ECan—of which there are three so far—is fitted with an infrared sensor so it knows when trash is thrown in, and there's a screen for the public to type in their information. The attraction of currencies like Bitcoin is partially their anonymity. With Emrals, the point is more about earning by making the world a nicer place; it's about community rather than anonymity.

The whole thing cost around $380 (£223) to make, using a Raspberry Pi, solar panels, batteries and a touchscreen. It can be synced up with an app Auriti is in the process of making, which will encourage users to take photos of trash they see lying around on the streets and put a value on it for other miners to scrape up. It's a nice way of spreading the word, but it means the photographer will be taking photos of trash rather than cleaning it up. A little odd, but if you don't want to get your hands dirty, at least you're spreading the word.

You can see on the Emrals site—which very much has the look of a gaming site, with fairytale-esque font that completes a Wizard Of Oz feel—some of the very first geotagged "dirt alert" photos, presumably taken by Auriti himself.

In terms of how you actually monetize your Emrals, Auriti is considering real cash exchanges or citywide discounts, meaning that brands could potentially get involved.

Auriti tells Motherboard that he wants to take the ECan global, but for now, a few New York street corners might start looking an awful lot cleaner.

It's hardly the first time we've seen a WiFi enabled trash can. We are, of course, living in the future. We've seen trash cans that listen to phone broadcasts in order to tell the public if buses and bars are full (Presence Orb) and ones that celebrate you throwing in a cigarette butt with a light and sound show. ECan picks up where the latter left off, in its merging of using engaging entertainment to encourage you to be a better person. Whether you'd want to provide your personal details on the touchscreen in order to gain the full benefits, though, is another matter. We could see one day having fitness tracker-style social media alerts telling your friends that you're doing your part to clean up the city. But unless that data is proven to be secure and useful, it's unlikely the public would give it away in the street.
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Silk Road Bitcoin Auctioned Off to Guy Who Wants to Split Up California

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When the FBI shut down illegal online marketplace the Silk Road, it seized a stash of 30,000 Bitcoin from the underground website and announced plans to auction the supply off. This week, venture capitalist and would-be California-splitter-upper Tim Draper won all of it, gaining an estimated $17.7 million in illicit cryptocurrency.

To qualify for the auction, the 45 bidders had to wire a $200,000 deposit to the U.S. Marshals, and bid with cash. They registered with government ID and the proper forms over email. The procedure was fairly routine, but the intangible blocks of items getting auctioned were unique: Bitcoin remains a controversial system, and the government hasn't auctioned anything like it before. Most of the rules for bidders were unremarkable, but there was one important caveat:

The USMS will not sell to any person who is acting on behalf of or in concert with the Silk Road and/or Ross William Ulbricht, and bidders will be required to so certify.

Ross William Ulbricht is currently awaiting trial, accused of running the Silk Road website as "Dread Pirate Roberts," the mysterious leader of a community that traded drugs and other black market products for Bitcoin. He has pled "not guilty" to the charges brought against him, but the USMS was not about to return Bitcoin to the man they suspect of having illegally amassed it in the first place.

Tim Draper is unlikely to return his new Bitcoin bonanza to the Silk Road community; Draper has ventures to capitalize. He's also the head of an (insane) initiative known as "Six Californias," dedicated to splitting California into six separate states. So the U.S. government may have taken money from a bunch of recreational drug users and inadvertently funded an even more contentious program (there's no indication that Draper plans to use the Bitcoin towards that project, but one can dream).

The decision to auction the Bitcoin bounty underlines that the government considers it property rather than a currency. The flush of investors interested in purchasing the supply indicates that Bitcoin continues to pique the interest of moneymakers, even after its mercurial year.

Sad you missed your chance for a Bitcoin haul? Just from looking at the USMS website, there are probably plenty of weird and wonderful items coming down the line. Last year, they auctioned off what they refer to as a "Russian Spy House" in New Jersey after they caught Russian spies living in it. Very The Americans: Season 16.

http://siliconangle.com/blog/2014/07/02/us-marshals-30000-bitcoin-bounty-sold-to-just-one-bidder/

Well this guy is making out like a bandit
 
The computer company Dell now accepts Bitcoin, becoming the largest company to accept the digital currency.

http://www.coindesk.com/computer-giant-dell-now-accepts-bitcoin/

Multinational computer technology specialist Dell has announced it is now accepting bitcoin through a partnership with Coinbase.

With annual revenue approaching $57bn, Dell is roughly four times the size of DISH Network – the previous biggest bitcoin-accepting business.

Following today’s announcement, consumers and small business owners are able to purchase all items on Dell.com using bitcoin. To promote the news, the company is offering a 10% discount on all Alienware-brand products to bitcoin buyers. Dell also sells personal computers, servers, data storage devices, cameras and printers.

In a blog post on the announcement, Coinbase indicated that Dell is seeking to provide customers with greater payment flexibility. Once the decision to accept bitcoin was reached, the company moved quickly – implementing payments on the site in just two weeks. Dell Commerce Services CIO Paul Walsh said:

“It is always our goal to respond quickly to our customers and ensure their needs are met. Partnering with Coinbase to implement this solution in 14 days is a prime example of the new, more agile Dell.”
 
Feds: Butterfly Labs mined bitcoins on customers’ boxes before shipping
The FTC believes the three named members of the company’s board of directors—Jody Drake (aka Darla Drake), Nasser Ghoseiri, and Sonny Vleisides—spent millions of dollars of corporate revenue on non-corporate expenses like saunas and guns, while leaving many customer orders either wholly unfulfilled or significantly delayed.

In a slew of new court documents filed Saturday, FTC lawyers allege for the first time that not only did BFL engage in deceptive practices, it specifically used customer-ordered machines to mine its own bitcoins before shipping the machines out. (BFL has specifically denied mining for its own benefit.) The FTC also claims that Butterfly Labs had its employees mine for personal gain using machines that had been refused by their purchasers or that had been returned after having arrived too late to be worthwhile.

Amazingly, amidst all this alleged fraud, BFL is accused of printing giant foam pitchforks to make fun of its intensely frustrated customers. As Helen Wong, an FTC attorney, wrote to the court:
Once Defendants got around to producing Bitcoin mining machines using what were essentially interest-free loans from consumers, their first actions were not to benefit their long-suffering customers, but to pad their own bottom line. Specifically, the testimony of several former employees and Vice President of Product Development Josh Zerlan shows that instead of fulfilling orders immediately, Defendants used their customers’ machines to mine Bitcoins for themselves before shipping the now-used machines to their customers. Thus, Defendants pocketed Bitcoins that should have gone to their customers. Further demonstrating Defendants’ disregard for their customers, they used corporate funds to make and mass order red foam pitchforks mocking their own customers, emblazoned with the words, "Y U NO SHIP – BFL IS LATE!"
The linked title above goes into far more detail into the workings of this Butterfly Labs Bitcoin company. It's corporate greed at its finest.
 

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