Age of Ultron Avengers: Age of Ultron Fan Review Thread (Spoilers)

[tbg]

Overall, I really thought it was a great movie. Maybe a little too much action in the opening fight scene, as it didn't translate too well into 3-D (too blurred at times). Loved the one-liners in there. "Language Cap". My only disappointment was the Quicksilver plotline.

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Either he's really dead, in which case a total waste, or predictably not dead and a bust b/c it's trite.

Also, with regards to the creation of Vision and

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Thor's hammer

, I am thinking that a part of Thor went into Vision when he charged him with his hammer, and that part of him is why

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he could pick up the hammer

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[Dogdor]

I'm sure most of this has been said but here it goes....

Overall I liked the movie, I give it a B-. I liked pretty much everything they put into this movie, I just feel like there was too much. I think they should have cut the hulk/widow romance as well as the Hawkeye family stuff, and as much as I liked Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver I feel like they took the role of Vision. By that I mean Vision should have been on Ultrons side for at least part of the movie. I feel just a little bit robbed of a Vision vs Avengers fight scene, but like I said before I enjoyed the movie and have already seen it twice.

Also, why did they kill Strucker? Seems like a waste of a character.

 

[Lorus]

I have to say, I don't think Ultron is badly explained. The character, that is, the initial program and what happens to it are pretty unclear but ultimately that's not too important. His opening speech to the Avengers tells us everything important: 1, He wants to save the world
2, He doesn't think much of the Avengers (for a variety of reasons, namely that they're violent warriors of the status quo) 3, He feels the need for both himself and the world to evolve to achieve his mission.

It's all there in that scene.

 

[HelloImBen]

Seen it it was good not at good as the original. Still a good movie


What was ultrons goal with vission? Transfer his brain into his body?

Yes. It was to be a sort of perfect form for Ultron. His "vision" for what the future was going to look like.

And then Thor mentions that he had a "vision" that told him he had to help Tony wake this thing up. So he gets the name from 2 different places.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

I'm sure most of this has been said but here it goes....

Overall I liked the movie, I give it a B-. I liked pretty much everything they put into this movie, I just feel like there was too much. I think they should have cut the hulk/widow romance as well as the Hawkeye family stuff, and as much as I liked Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver I feel like they took the role of Vision. By that I mean Vision should have been on Ultrons side for at least part of the movie. I feel just a little bit robbed of a Vision vs Avengers fight scene, but like I said before I enjoyed the movie and have already seen it twice.

Also, why did they kill Strucker? Seems like a waste of a character.

I agree with your points. Too many unnecessary subplots and not enough main plot.

And ya, why isn't everybody mad about them killing off Strucker? We didn't get know anything about the character. It just seems preposterous.

 

[venom892]

Baron Strucker dying didn't really bother me especially since we are getting Baron Zemo in Civil War.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Saw it last night. While a good movie, it was definitely not as good as the first. Still give it a 7/10.

Pros:

- Loved the action scenes. The beginning battle was a bit "cartoony" at times but the rest were great.
- The Captain America franchise has been my favorite of these Avengers and I think he came off looking the best in this movie.
- Liked that Bruce Banner was shown to be on par with Stark as a scientist.
- I liked the character arc of the Twins. Had no problem with Quicksilver's death. After all, this is Marvel, how long do we expect him to stay dead?
- Vision looked pretty cool.

Cons/Head Scratchers:

- Hawkeye's family? Seemed to come out of left field.
- The BW/Hulk romance seemed forced. Black widow seemed to go from bad ass warrior babe to love sick puppy just in this one movie.
- Too many jokes. A number of them fell flat to the theater audience I was with.
- It seemed that the writers don't know, or willingly forgot about the Agents of Shield show. I'm a few episodes behind on my viewing of it so maybe this is explained, but where did Fury have a helicarrier stashed and a crew to man it? I was under the impression that SHIELD was taken over by Hydra and Coulson and his crew were the last of them. Also, weren't all the helicarriers destroyed in WS?
- Are we supposed to believe that most of an entire city was launched into the sky and not one civilian died? I'm all for suspension of disbelief but come on...are there any consequences in these movies at all? Maybe the consequences will come in Civil War, I guess.
_ Ultron was pretty bland as a villain.

I liked seeing Hawkeye's family, it was nice to give him some backstory and more of a presence and role, he's really been the least fleshed out in the all movies.
Widow was still a badass warrior, she was much more reluctant to run away than Banner.
As far as Fury and the helicarrier, Fury isn't part of Agents of SHIELD, he's been doing his own thing behind the scenes. He mentions having a skeleton crew to man it, but I think Hill and Fury have been working together on something bigger while Coulson keeps the ragtag team of SHIELD agents together.
I don't think you're supposed to believe not one civilian died in the final act, just that the Avengers were working to minimize the casualties, which was a nice bit to add. They really worked to show the Avengers are a bit more conscious of the destruction they cause in this movie, with Tony saying he'd pay for the building and making sure Stark relief was en route to where Hulk and Iron Man battled. They can't save everyone, but they're at least trying.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

Baron Strucker dying didn't really bother me especially since we are getting Baron Zemo in Civil War.

Well, it bothered because we were teased - by the post credits scene - that we would appear in the movie and then he gets killed off in like two seconds. And ya right, that age of miracles thing was nowhere to be seen. All hype and no delivery.

 

[venom892]

The Cap after credit scene I feel was more set up for the twins than Strucker. Strucker was never going to be a major adversary.

 

[Milla4Prez66]

There isn't much of a place for Von Strucker to have a big role in the MCU. This movie was Age of Ultron, not Age of Strucker. He played his role to set up the twins and Ultron's creation and there is too much going on in Civil War and there will be Zemo. If they wanted to do more with his character it would've had to have been in Agents of SHIELD. So, his death doesn't matter much to me.

 

[Dogdor]

I am not so much upset by Strucker dying as just confused. I just don't understand why Marvel keeps killing off their villains when they could use them down the line. And in this case with him being killed off screen, I feel like they could have used any character to fill that role.

 

[Pond]

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[drod1985]

Cons/Head Scratchers:

- It seemed that the writers don't know, or willingly forgot about the Agents of Shield show. I'm a few episodes behind on my viewing of it so maybe this is explained, but where did Fury have a helicarrier stashed and a crew to man it? I was under the impression that SHIELD was taken over by Hydra and Coulson and his crew were the last of them. Also, weren't all the helicarriers destroyed in WS?

When you catch up on AOS you'll see that there's more than meets the eye with SHIELD. And the helicarriers destroyed in TWS were new helicarriers just for Project Insight, and had repulsor engines Stark designed. The design we saw in AOU was the original helicarrier from TA.

- Are we supposed to believe that most of an entire city was launched into the sky and not one civilian died? I'm all for suspension of disbelief but come on...are there any consequences in these movies at all? Maybe the consequences will come in Civil War, I guess

I don't think we're supposed to assume that nobody died during the final battle. Once the helicarrier showed up the goal was to save anybody who had survived up to that point. I'm sure there were still plenty of casualties.

 

[Slushy]

Also, the best part of the movie was Cap going to toe to toe with Ultron! Fu** yeah!

 

[CTFFFan]

Loved it. the seeds for Civil War certainly were sewn.

 

[BobJM]

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[nogolf33]

Liked the movie a lot, and I expected to. I saw it yesterday for the first time.

I think the balancing of the many characters story lines was done pretty well. Personally, finding the pool and letting Thor have his vision was the weakest side plot. He should have already known about the stones. And I didn't see the Vision in his vision.


Shift from Natasha having a past history, loyalty, and perhaps feelings for Barton to his being her best friend was a shift from the first movie. The relationship between Banner and Natasha didn't appeal to me. The actors made it work but I couldn't see her leaving the Avengers and shield as they discussed several times.

I thought the characterization of Ultron was quite interesting, and not what I was expecting. I was expecting more anger than confusion in his thoughts. I liked the scene where he lost his temper with Klaw, it was enough. I thought maybe he behave like that if taunted by Tony. (Would have liked Pym to be his 'father' but I can accept Tony)

I am not sure why he bonded with the twins. I think the Vision should have had a person's brain patterns imprinted, not the Jarvis AI over the Ultron program template. Not sure how he came to life fully formed. Ultron and Vision should have had a few months to grow up. Maybe it was too difficult to have them in a cave somewhere while the Avengers were trying to find them. Also, if Ultron wanted his body giving him time to complete it wouldn't work. I expected him to want Vision to create a new life like his 'father'.

My question, was the final form 'Ultron 3'? Because I remember Ultron 5 being a serious adversary for the Avengers.

My biggest complaint: Captain America should have been the one to pick up Thor's hammer, when Thor confronted Ultron at the Vibranium control. I don't think they can go back to that theme. Cap getting the power of Thor then giving it up would have been awesome.

 

[nogolf33]

More comments from first viewing:

I thought that Scarlet Witch's powers were a lot like Phoenix in the XMen 1 and 2 movie. Telekinesis, limited emphathy and telepathy. Interesting but not exactly the same powers as the comics. I think they could have characterized the Hex Bolt effects and lost the psychic powers. A hex bolt at Banner, and boom, a swarm of bees attacks him and sends him on a rampage. A hex at Ultron, he can't shoot straight or his other bodies randomly fail. A hex at a falling civilian and a gust of wind would catch them or something.

The best thing the movie did was have the heroes pay attention to the civilians and keeping them from getting killed.

 

[BoredGuy]

I thought her powers worked well here

"hex bolts" were always a little tough to explain
'soooo, she can do... stuff.... and things..'

that said, it'd be nice if they tied it into the 'magical' side of things more

 

[Marchesk]

I thought that Scarlet Witch's powers were a lot like Phoenix in the XMen 1 and 2 movie. Telekinesis, limited emphathy and telepathy. Interesting but not exactly the same powers as the comics. I think they could have characterized the Hex Bolt effects and lost the psychic powers. A hex bolt at Banner, and boom, a swarm of bees attacks him and sends him on a rampage. A hex at Ultron, he can't shoot straight or his other bodies randomly fail. A hex at a falling civilian and a gust of wind would catch them or something.

That would have been better and kind of unique for a movie superhero. Not sure why it wasn't done. Still, SW was a strong character. Her powers are more threatening than Ultron's.

The best thing the movie did was have the heroes pay attention to the civilians and keeping them from getting killed.

It's nice and all, but it really diminishes suspense when the Avengers are easily dispatching Ultron's army without suffering injury, and still being able to save all the civilians. It's just another day on the job for them. Not much different than storming the Hydra facility.

And it's the overall lack of consequences. Stark gets to laugh off creating Ultron because he ended up being right about Vision despite making the exact same mistake. Tons of buildings get destroyed, but it's okay because AoU isn't Man of Steel. And the one "Avenger" who dies doesn't matter.

 

[nogolf33]

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It's nice and all, but it really diminishes suspense when the Avengers are easily dispatching Ultron's army without suffering injury, and still being able to save all the civilians. It's just another day on the job for them. Not much different than storming the Hydra facility.

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The bodies that the Avengers were wiping out were the inferior ones made at the Hydra base. They did have some problems with the Iron Corps bodies, though there were apparently only 3 of those.

I want to know why Ultron made only 1 Ultron body. He didn't have Vibranium in the Ultron 2 body, why not make more 'tough' bodies?

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And it's the overall lack of consequences. Stark gets to laugh off creating Ultron because he ended up being right about Vision despite making the exact same mistake. Tons of buildings get destroyed, but it's okay because AoU isn't Man of Steel. And the one "Avenger" who dies doesn't matter.

Hawkeye was hurt and Pietro was killed. They showed how they used advanced technology to heal. Natasha and Wanda don't get hit cause they are girls, or they are lucky (BW is in the comics.)

I think it was consistent.

Implied by Tony leaving is that he and Steve cannot work together any more. Loss of trust is a consequence.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

Hawkeye was hurt and Pietro was killed. They showed how they used advanced technology to heal. Natasha and Wanda don't get hit cause they are girls, or they are lucky (BW is in the comics.)

I think it was consistent.

Implied by Tony leaving is that he and Steve cannot work together any more. Loss of trust is a consequence.

And Hulk basically goes AWOL because of the damage he causes.

 

[Tony Stark]

That would have been better and kind of unique for a movie superhero. Not sure why it wasn't done. Still, SW was a strong character. Her powers are more threatening than Ultron's.



It's nice and all, but it really diminishes suspense when the Avengers are easily dispatching Ultron's army without suffering injury, and still being able to save all the civilians. It's just another day on the job for them. Not much different than storming the Hydra facility.

And it's the overall lack of consequences. Stark gets to laugh off creating Ultron because he ended up being right about Vision despite making the exact same mistake. Tons of buildings get destroyed, but it's okay because AoU isn't Man of Steel. And the one "Avenger" who dies doesn't matter.

Sorry but I'm going to stop you right here. The reason MOS got flack for destroyed buildings is because the impression was that Superman and everyone else didn't seem to give a crap. I know that was not the intent, but it was the impression people got, because Superman was not shown saving anyone.

AoU knew how to do this right. There's the line that Cap says that "the people of Sokovia disn't sign up for this, so our number one priority is evacuation". Then we see scene of the avengers helping people evacuate. We see Iron Man rescuing a family trapped in a bulding. We see the Avengers concentrating on getting people on the life boats.

Second of all they didn't save everyone. There's a scene where they are disparagingly looking on the casualties that Ultron has laid out.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

And it's the overall lack of consequences. Stark gets to laugh off creating Ultron because he ended up being right about Vision despite making the exact same mistake. Tons of buildings get destroyed, but it's okay because AoU isn't Man of Steel. And the one "Avenger" who dies doesn't matter.

If the writers of Man of Steel weren't so dumb and put just one or two scenes of Superman acknowledging the damage that had been done and the lives lost I doubt that movie would have received so much criticism. He didn't even have to have any dialogue or anything. His expression could have told the whole story. Just one look of concern or remorse as he surveyed the damage that had been done and all would have been forgiven. We're talking about a 20 second scene here. But nope they couldn't even get that right. For a movie trying to be oh so serious I don't know how you screw that up. Talk lack of consequences. The aftermath of all that destruction in MOS? Supes knocks down a drone, talks some trash, gets called hot by some idiotic military chick and it's all good, cue the credits.

 

[Marchesk]

Sorry but I'm going to stop you right here. The reason MOS got flack for destroyed buildings is because the impression was that Superman and everyone else didn't seem to give a crap. I know that was not the intent, but it was the impression people got, because Superman was not shown saving anyone.

I understand the criticism. It was an anti-superman movie in several ways.

AoU knew how to do this right. There's the line that Cap says that "the people of Sokovia disn't sign up for this, so our number one priority is evacuation". Then we see scene of the avengers helping people evacuate. We see Iron Man rescuing a family trapped in a bulding. We see the Avengers concentrating on getting people on the life boats.

I think there's a balancing act between caring about civilian casualities and beign able to suspend disbelief. I wasn't able to do that. Saving some civilians while showing the Avengers failing to save others and having to live with that would have done it for me. But then again, I liked that Man of Steel was dark, so maybe I'm just odd.

Second of all they didn't save everyone. There's a scene where they are disparagingly looking on the casualties that Ultron has laid out.

I guess I missed that scene. What I didn't miss was the lack of suspense in the final battle. Ultron's army was too easy to dispense with, the civilians were too easy to save, and there was no way Ultron could defeat all of the Avengers with SW, QS and Vision on their side. The deck was way stacked against him at that point. Would have preferred Vision or SW switching sides at the last moment to save the Avengers upon realizing what Ultron was up to. That would have provided more suspense.