Avengers: Doomsday General News & Discussion Thread

[TheVileOne]

Highly doubtful

Those were bad movies though, and I highly doubt Doomsday is going to be anything like BvS or Justice League. I don't see Doomsday landing in that same space.



And how many people outside the comic book bubble even knew it was ever called Kang Dynasty?


The overwhelming majority of casual moviegoers, the ones who don’t watch everything Marvel but will always show up for an Avengers movie/event films, (the same kind of crowd that helped Deadpool & Wolverine hit $1.3B), the people who actually move box office, probably have no idea about the whole internal “Kang Dynasty” pivot history.

And even the ones who do know? They’re almost certainly not the majority.

They just see “Avengers Doomsday” and go, “Oh, the next Avengers movie. Yeah, I’m checking that out.”

It's that simple, and the box office will prove this once again.

Millions of people do. They announced it and set up a whole movie with Kang as the villain called Quantumania that made over half a billion dollars worldwide.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is false equivalence. Those movies came off of a polarizing, underperforming film to begin with. This is a big budget nostalgia fest, which is the main thing that's worked for post-endgame Marvel.

This may underperform, but comparing it to the DCEU doesn't make sense.

But that's not a long term strategy. It's a bandaid, and I see no way this movie isn't a mess given the amount of characters and the lack of buildup to this event. IW and EG had great build up and just had to stick the landing. This movie has to be the payoff to the saga AND create the entire event within the same movie. Marvel very much is banking on the old guard coming and saving the day and that the movie will fix itself. I am very much expecting this to be the worst reviewed Avengers movie, and probably a bottom 3 MCU movie overall from a quality standpoint

 

[The Batman]

But that's not a long term strategy.

And I never argued otherwise, so I'm not sure what prompted this response. I even said that this movie may underperform.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[SumT]

lack of build up?

the whole MCU, Fox and Sony universes are the build up to this movie. What more build up do you need?

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

lack of build up?

the whole MCU, Fox and Sony universes are the build up to this movie. What more build up do you need?

You know, I don't think James Marsden being underutilized as Cyclops in the Fox X-Men movies was a deliberate move because Bryan Singer and Kevin Feige knew that decades later, in a cinematic universe that hadn't even been created yet, he'd finally get to wear a comic-accurate costume.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Lots of theories on this one. Maybe that scene from Loki was her being taken by the TVA? Or we could see the version of Captain Carter from the show What If?.

 

[Spider-Fan]

lack of build up?

the whole MCU, Fox and Sony universes are the build up to this movie. What more build up do you need?

Comments like this make me hate fans

 

[Venom 1988]

Comments like this make me hate fans

There's over 80 years of Marvel comics built up to this movie. What else do you need?

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Characters rumored to appear in the fourth teaser:

Shuri, M'baku, Namor and Ben Grimm.

 

[psylockolussus]

Characters rumored to appear in the fourth teaser:

Shuri, M'baku, Namor and Ben Grimm.

I'm curious with the selection of those characters.

 

[BMM]

I saw the X-Men teaser before my showing of Fire and Ash. That optic blast was LOUD. The trailer generated a good bit of chatter, so we’ll see how that works for the film a whole 12 months from now.

 

[lenz]

I think the real acid test will be Downey's reveal as Doom. If that gets traction this thing could be the biggest film of 2026.

 

[psylockolussus]

Lots of theories on this one. Maybe that scene from Loki was her being taken by the TVA? Or we could see the version of Captain Carter from the show What If?.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Captain Hydra vs Captain Britain scene. I think we are going to see multiple variants of Peggy.

 

[HammerDown]

I think the real acid test will be Downey's reveal as Doom. If that gets traction this thing could be the biggest film of 2026.

This thing is going to be the biggest film of 2026 regardless. There’s nothing out there that will even come close to Doomsday. The Downey reveal is going to be specially curated and I don’t expect them to mess it up.

 

[lenz]

This thing is going to be the biggest film of 2026 regardless. There’s nothing out there that will even come close to Doomsday. The Downey reveal is going to be specially curated and I don’t expect them to mess it up.

Tough for me to say biggest without a proper trailer. I think it's got a good shot, my question is what range could it end up in?

I think 1b - 1.6 billion is a pretty reasonable outcome to expect. If it's in the lower range than I could see something like the Odyssey or Toy Story 5 overtaking it with legs.

 

[psylockolussus]

Lightyear underperformed 3 years ago (226 million worldwide at the box office). Christopher Nolan's last movie to hit a billion was more than 10 years ago (The Dark Knight Rises).

Doomsday would have to severely underperform at the opening weekend, for those two to overtake/outgross it.

 

[sdgrandia86]

I have no doubt the movie is going to be box office hit. The marketing is fine and they are doing very well in appealing to people's pathos and focusing on nostalgia - Steve, Thor and the X Men so far (and bringing Downey/Russos).

People will show up just to see who else shows.

Whether the movie is good or not is another story, that Cyclops money shots aside, there is nothing that is grabbing me. At its worst it will be a pretty looking movie.

I'll be surprised if the movie doesn't do 1b to 1.5b

I do wish the focus from the start would have been the new school - Sam, Shang Shi, Thunderbolts, Black Panther, etc and keep a lot of these returns a secret for Doomsday but Marvel didn't really do a good job at building them up.

 

[psylockolussus]

I have no doubt the movie is going to be box office hit. The marketing is fine and they are doing very well in appealing to people's pathos and focusing on nostalgia - Steve, Thor and the X Men so far (and bringing Downey/Russos).

People will show up just to see who else shows.

Whether the movie is good or not is another story, that Cyclops money shots aside, there is nothing that is grabbing me. At its worst it will be a pretty looking movie.

I'll be surprised if the movie doesn't do 1b to 1.5b

I do wish the focus from the start would have been the new school - Sam, Shang Shi, Thunderbolts, Black Panther, etc and keep a lot of these returns a secret for Doomsday but Marvel didn't really do a good job at building them up.

They aren't gonna focus on Thunderbolts and Sam, over bigger faces when Thunderbolts* and Brave New World underperformed just last year. While Shang-Chi fell into the sidelines due to the lack of a sequel and another film appearance between 2022 to 2025.

 

[Venom 1988]

They aren't gonna focus on Thunderbolts and Sam, over bigger faces when Thunderbolts* and Brave New World underperformed just last year. While Shang-Chi fell into the sidelines due to the lack of a sequel and another film appearance between 2022 to 2025.

That's the problem they should be lol. Nobody would care about Steve Rogers/Chris Evans either if he only had the 1 Cap movie and disappeared after that. Back then Marvel was better about committing to characters even if the movies didn't light the world on fire with the box office or critics.

 

[psylockolussus]

This thing is going to be the biggest film of 2026 regardless. There’s nothing out there that will even come close to Doomsday. The Downey reveal is going to be specially curated and I don’t expect them to mess it up.

Definitely the biggest of 2026!

 

[HammerDown]

Tough for me to say biggest without a proper trailer. I think it's got a good shot, my question is what range could it end up in?

I think 1b - 1.6 billion is a pretty reasonable outcome to expect. If it's in the lower range than I could see something like the Odyssey or Toy Story 5 overtaking it with legs.

These small snippets are already a pretty decent indication of how this is going to be looked at. A very big reach and very well received and the 3rd teaser is going to fall on those exact same footsteps.

1b to 1.6b seems conservative. Specially at that low end of 1b which for me is inconceivable. If Doctor Strange:MOM does 1b, you’re going to tell me that an event film like this is as that low end? Sorry that simply doesn’t compute. Deadpool & Wolverine did like 1.3B and this is an Avengers film with D&W plus everyone else…

Seems to me like a big underestimation.

 

[HammerDown]

Also @lenz, Toy Story barely cracked 1B and is Toy Story 5 doing much more than that? I don’t know. Plus I haven’t followed the buzz around the Odissey but is that big enough to even bite at the heels of Doomsday. Once again I doubt it.

I’ll even go one step further and say that Doomsday will score at least 500M more at the box office than the second place for the year. Quote me on that.

EDIT: Corrected

 

[Spider-Fan]

They aren't gonna focus on Thunderbolts and Sam, over bigger faces when Thunderbolts* and Brave New World underperformed just last year. While Shang-Chi fell into the sidelines due to the lack of a sequel and another film appearance between 2022 to 2025.

And you cannot build for the future if you cannot move on from the past. You'll only ever have to keep depending on the same people. It isn't a sustainable model of success and will fizzle out

 

[Spider-Fan]

These small snippets are already a pretty decent indication of how this is going to be looked at. A very big reach and very well received and the 3rd teaser is going to fall on those exact same footsteps.

1b to 1.6b seems conservative. Specially at that low end of 1b which for me is inconceivable. If Doctor Strange:MOM does 1b, you’re going to tell me that an event film like this is as that low end? Sorry that simply doesn’t compute. Deadpool & Wolverine did like 1.3B and this is an Avengers film with D&W plus everyone else…

Seems to me like a big underestimation.

MoM came out when the MCU wasn't ice cold, and this movie will be opening opposite Dune Part 3. There is also the issue of quality. I am very confident this movie isn't going to review well, and won't be as well liked as the last Avengers films. There is a lot more working against this movie than MoM and others.