Batman's Original Origin Story Contains Stolen Art

[Spike_x1]

I did, in it's entirety, for example:

1. I do not believe it is a stretch in the least; I believe Kane directly copied the Vallely.
2. I do not believe the supposed commonalty of the pose refutes the claim that Kane copied the Vallely.
3. I conclude from an observation of the two drawings that Kane did copy the Vallely.
4. I do not believe any other consideration is required other than these two drawings in order to come to this conclusion.

At the very least you dispute points 1 and 2, do you not?

That is what you're saying here:

... correct?

You have also disputed a direct comparison of the two drawings as being sufficient to settle the argument in-and-of-themselves, arguing—incorrectly, in my opinion—that the similarity could be the result of chance coincidence.

So in essence you also dispute points 3 and 4.... that’s a lot of disputing for someone who say’s they're not disputing anything.

I'm not saying that Kane didn't copy those frames of Vallely's work. I'll repeat myself for clarity, because it does not seem to be sinking in: I. Am. Not. Disputing. That.

What I'm trying to say is that if you brought just these two pictures for comparison, and left out the other example from the first post entirely, in front of a judge and said that they are proof of plagiarism, the judge would disagree.

That single comparison would not prove anything without the other examples to complement it.

Just step back and think about it; if Kane did not already have the increasingly unpopular reputation that he currently has, and we pretend that the examples in this link never existed, thus leaving only the two pictures given here for comparison, people wouldn't be nearly so quick to chastise Kane and they may have chopped it up to coincidence (stressing the word 'may'), considering how common the pose is.

Of course, because the pictures in this link do exist, and because Kane does have a poor reputation of stealing ideas, we're practically 100% certain that Kane did copy the art.

That is what I'm trying to say here, and is about as clearly explained as I can make it. If you disagree, fine.

 

[SouLeSS]

Stealing and getting inspiration are two completely different things.

 

[Gogo Bananas]

The judge wouldn't disagree. In fact, plagarism doesn't have to be an identical copy, or more than one instance. Even themes can be plagarised i.e. the recent court case involving Dan Brown.

 

[Katsuro]

There is absolutley no possibility that it's a coincidence. He may not have actually traced, but Bob Kane certainly, without a doubt, had that picture right beside him when he created that second picture. He either looked at it and tried to replicate it, or traced it and later made the most minor of changes. No one would be arguing this point if the colorist hadn't messed up and colored his two fingers green.

 

[Cobblepot]

http://henryvallely.blogspot.com/

There's two more obvious swipes here aswell.

Dang, I just did some reading and these wheer posted already. Sorry 'bout that.