Blackwater Fiasco

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has anyone been paying attention to this fiasco in iraq involving the private security firm "blackwater usa"? this could potentially be a huge international incident. iraqis already want us out of there. this could make things a whole lot worse for the u.s. military over there.

CNN.com said:
Wounded Iraqis: 'No one did anything' to provoke Blackwater

* Story Highlights
* Blackwater guards shot people in the back, Iraqi lawyer says
* Everyone, whether on foot or in a vehicle, was a target, laborer says
* Street strewn with bodies, including children and elderly, man says
* "It was every man for himself," wounded man says

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- It was last Sunday in western Baghdad. Helicopters circled overhead while armed guards, privately hired by the U.S. government, were conducting an ordinary mission to protect U.S. State Department employees.

But within minutes there was an explosion, a hail of gunfire, and bodies in the streets.

The Iraqi Interior Ministry says at least 10 Iraqis were killed and 10 wounded. Another government spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, told CNN that at least 20 people died, with 35 wounded.

So what happened on that day on a square in the Mansour district of Baghdad?

It depends on who you ask.

Blackwater USA, the private security firm at the center of the controversy, says its employees simply defended themselves against armed attackers.

Two men hospitalized with gunshot wounds disagree. They say the guards fired on people for no reason.

Hasan Jaber Salman lies in Yarmouk Hospital, bandages covering gunshot wounds in his back.

Salman says he is a lawyer who was headed from a courthouse to the Ministry of Justice when he found his route blocked by four armored Blackwater SUVs.

The roadblock soon caused a traffic snarl, so armed Blackwater guards began waving at the drivers, telling them to turn around and leave the area.

"So we turned back, and as we turned back they opened fire at all cars from behind," Salman said. "All my injuries, the bullets are in my back.

"Within two minutes the security force arrived in planes -- part of the security company Blackwater. They started firing randomly at all citizens."

Blackwater, in a statement issued after the incident, denied that gunfire came from aircraft. "The helicopters providing aerial support never fired weapons," it said.

The firm also said its employees "acted lawfully and appropriately in response to a hostile attack."

But Salman claims the attack was unprovoked.

"No one fired at them, they were not attacked by gunmen, they were not targeted by an explosion," he said. VideoWatch the survivors describe what happened »

The firing continued until Salman's car crashed into a police checkpoint and flipped over, he said, adding that eight bullets struck his car and four struck him.

"My left shoulder is broken ... and my arm is broken. I had a surgery. ... They opened up my stomach," he said. "I swear to God no one did anything to them at all."

The lawyer said he intends to sue Blackwater, which he already did in 2005 after his son was involved in a similar incident outside al-Muthana Air Base near Baghdad's international airport. That lawsuit has not yet been resolved, he said.

Laborer Abul-Raheem Amir said he was on his way to a job when the minibus he was in got caught in a traffic jam caused by an explosion.

"A security company called Blackwater, they got out and kept on firing randomly at people, starting with the people walking or working the street -- even the traffic policeman, even the people who work in the area," Amir said.

"People at first thought we were safe in the minibus, but when they realized they were not, they started getting out and went to other places to save themselves," he recounted. "Unfortunately that did not work. As they got out, people were shot and killed."

He said he tried to make a run for it after the driver and two women next to him on the minibus were shot.

"I ran about 50 meters [about 55 yards] and then was shot, the first bullet. Still I kept running, but the second bullet dropped me to the ground. ... It broke my bones, and the third one made me start crawling."

Some people helped get him off the street and away from the carnage. The shooting lasted for about a half-hour, and there were some 30 bodies in the street, he said.

"I remember people strewn on the streets, children, elderly, young men, elderly women. ... The street turned into the street of the dead, a graveyard," he said.

"There was nothing I could do. Every man was for himself."

Amir wonders what the Blackwater employees were thinking.

"Is this some kind of a show of force for them to flex their muscles?" he said. "Are they doing this to us, the victims, so they can advertise and promote their abilities through the Western media? ... Is their mission to protect one person by killing 10 unarmed people? And if they are protecting two people, then they shoot 100 unarmed people. ... Is this Vietnam? ...

"Enough, enough," he said. "Enough of all that's happening. God's fury is coming. Enough of this. Enough."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/19/iraq.fateful.day/index.html
 
i almost took a job with blackwater but i had just left iraq with three months left on my army contract. they dont have much to protect themselves so i dont think alot of them are running around starting firefights.
 
i almost took a job with blackwater but i had just left iraq with three months left on my army contract. they dont have much to protect themselves so i dont think alot of them are running around starting firefights.

who knows. there's an older video on the web that apparently shows them shooting random civilian vehicles on a highway in iraq. these guys seem like trigger happy thugs. is that who we want representing americans over there?
 
Good for Iraq. They should kick every one of them out of the country.
 
Yeah, I hope Blackwater burns for this.

jag

me too, but i really hope this ignites a fire under the iraqis so they demand once and for all the the u.s. military leaves their country for good.
 
I honestly don't think we would leave, even if they demanded it. We've got too much invested over there, now. The Iraqi's have lost control of their own country. We rule it, now.

jag

no doubt, but it'd be more ammunition for those of us who want our military to withdraw. plus, then we could throw the "we'll stand down when they stand up" bull**** line back in bush's face.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7008058.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/22/blackwater.probe/index.html

Weapons smuggling? Taking weapons into Irag and selling them to the enemy. US corporations are above the law in Iraq (thanks Bremmer!), but selling weapons to the enemy? I mean you can shoot 20 Iraqi's it's not like they tasered an American college student or anything, but this is a little much. After vetoing the child healthcare bill http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/22/radio.addressses.ap/index.html, maybe the President will...

Nothing is going to happen.
 
I hope I can get a job with blackwater or anothr PMC when I get out of the army, those guys make bank!
 
we should have left iraq a while ago, where just there to **** around, i hate our military and army and all that.

where ass holes and i give iraq every right to kill all the dicker us citizens there.
 
we should have left iraq a while ago, where just there to **** around, i hate our military and army and all that.

where ass holes and i give iraq every right to kill all the dicker us citizens there.
:huh:
english please
 
Long after the Military pulls out-Companies like Blackwater will remain.In fact, If they banished all the mercenaries from Iraq-The Military would no doubt pull out soon after.It will NEVER be the job of any military personnel to protect the lives of private contractors while they rebuild,or their corporate cronies while they troll around to press flesh with the Sheiks.
 
Blackwater helps protect people the military is too busy too. Without "private contractors" that country's ****ed. Whatever, we shouldn't have even invaded in the first place.
 
Blackwater is already back up and running in Iraq. Disgusting.

jag

so let me see if i understand bush's line of thinking.

- we're supposedly not in the business of nation building, yet that's exactly what we're doing in iraq

- we're winning the hearts and minds of the iraqi citizens, yet something like 70% of the iraqi population think it's ok to kill american soldiers

- the purpose of removing saddam was to help install a democratically elected government, yet the american government is overruling their decisions and threatening to replace some of their elected officials

sounds like a perfectly sensible way to go about business. :whatever:
 
Sinewave, you forgot that America thinks it's the world police and that we think we have the right to tell the rest of the world to act just like us when we can't even get our own **** together.
 
^Exactly -almost a Chicken and the egg situation-Ask yourself why we really dont leave?Those contracts have all been signed.Theres plenty of money in rebuilding Iraq.Its a small fraction of the equation to topple the regime and implement a new government.The money is in the infrastructure.They need Electricity , Roads, Schools ,and they certainly need their oil refineries refurbished(wink wink)Theres certain "internal" contractors that our Military will protect-Like Army Corps of Engineer personnel who are planning on building the largest Embassy in the world.All those people need to be kept safe-.But as far as side deals made by private contractors go-Our Army personnel are spread far to thin to help.
 
And this administration is scared ****less of a draft, so mercs it is.
 
I don't think we'll ever know exactly what happened but even if those contractors did do exactly what those witnesses claim it doesn't mean the entire organization is corrupt. A while back there was this news report about a group of soldiers who gang raped a fourteen year old Iraqi girl. That most certainly doesn't mean that all of our soldiers are rapists.
 
Haven't you heard, 9/11 happened because we didn't stay the course in Vietnam. If only we had more mercs back in 1968.
 
BTW Kritish-I live in Clarksville TN about 12 miles from Fort Campbell where all those soldiers were from.The guy who was the lookout in that case got a life sentence.They are still trying the others so its only a matter of time
 
Out of the kagillion valid things to attack this administration over, you're going to go with that?

It's not really an attack, but I do find it interesting how much we are relying on PMC's here.
 
Well....it's not like anyone has any authority to stop them....It's in the wording of their contract..they are not beholden to the US or Iraqi government....not saying its right, just saying how it is
 

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