Canada's National Energy Program: Will the HORROR ever re-emerge to ruin Alberta?

[Deathlok2001]

Nonsense you say? Don't be so sure.

In 1980, a long-lived series of Liberal governments was replaced by a Conservative minority, led by an Albertan. In 1980, energy prices were near generational highs. A Liberal majority was elected soon thereafter, and the National Energy Program followed.

In 2006, a long-lived series of Liberal governments was replaced by a Conservative minority, led by an Albertan. In 2006, energy prices are near generational highs. Kyoto is on the horizon.

The big difference is that we've been screwed once. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And listening PC Dave Norris, if the Canadians try NEP Jr., whether it is called a carbon tax, Kyoto or "Patriotic Sharing," he said that Alberta should leave Canada.

If stupid kyoto is forced upon ALberta, its time to get out & form a REAL country, Free loving Republic of Alberta!

http://www.freealberta.com/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program

 

[DOG LIPS]

Maple syrup is the key. I don't know how, but it is.

 

[Corinthian™]

Nonsense you say? Don't be so sure.

In 1980, a long-lived series of Liberal governments was replaced by a Conservative minority, led by an Albertan. In 1980, energy prices were near generational highs. A Liberal majority was elected soon thereafter, and the National Energy Program followed.

In 2006, a long-lived series of Liberal governments was replaced by a Conservative minority, led by an Albertan. In 2006, energy prices are near generational highs. Kyoto is on the horizon.

The big difference is that we've been screwed once. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And listening PC Dave Norris, if the Canadians try NEP Jr., whether it is called a carbon tax, Kyoto or "Patriotic Sharing," he said that Alberta should leave Canada.

If stupid kyoto is forced upon ALberta, its time to get out & form a REAL country, Free loving Republic of Alberta!

http://www.freealberta.com/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program

stupid kyoto?

 

[Themanofbat]

Nonsense you say? Don't be so sure.

In 1980, a long-lived series of Liberal governments was replaced by a Conservative minority, led by an Albertan. In 1980, energy prices were near generational highs. A Liberal majority was elected soon thereafter, and the National Energy Program followed.

In 2006, a long-lived series of Liberal governments was replaced by a Conservative minority, led by an Albertan. In 2006, energy prices are near generational highs. Kyoto is on the horizon.

The big difference is that we've been screwed once. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And listening PC Dave Norris, if the Canadians try NEP Jr., whether it is called a carbon tax, Kyoto or "Patriotic Sharing," he said that Alberta should leave Canada.

If stupid kyoto is forced upon ALberta, its time to get out & form a REAL country, Free loving Republic of Alberta!

http://www.freealberta.com/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program

Then by all means... please leave... and take Quebec with you.

I've had it with Canadians that think Province first, and Country second.
We're all the same as Canadians, and that means at times for the better of the country and for the world. So if it means that you might have to make some type of sacrifice, then so be it.

Otherwise, get the f***k outta my country.

Have a nice day.

 

[Deathlok2001]

Canada still refuses to grant Albertans economic, social, and polictical equality with the "original" provinces. This is simply not acceptable for the country's wealthiest and most dynamic province. Either Alberta separates, or we remain second class citizens within our own country. This makes separation inevitable.

We all fight for what we believe is right. Equality is not something you can put limits on, making some more equal than others. I've heard every excuse in the book why Canada can't treat Alberta as an equal in Confederation. It's too hard, the constitution won't allow it, Albertans don't deserve it, etcetera, etcetera. The fact is, equality for Alberta is not ever going to happen under the Canadian government.

The constitution. Or, more accurately, the Alberta Act, was amended after 25 FREAKING years to cede control of Alberta's natural resources to the province. Just like the original provinces control theirs.

 

[Deathlok2001]

Alberta has been abused by federalism. Here are some of the many, many examples...

Is it equal representation for Alberta? No. Not in the House of Commons, and not in the Senate.

Alberta farmers are tossed in your gulags for donating a bushel of wheat to a 4-H club south of the border, I'd call it bad enough. Especially when they are hauled away in irons in front of their weeping wives and children, after voluntarily showing up for sentencing. Especially when any wheat farmer east of the Manitoba border is allowed to do whatever he pleases with his wheat.

Eastern Canada has treated Alberta strictly as a colony for over a century. You will have to forgive us if we start to behave like one.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I don't ordinarily post in "Canada" threads.

 

[deemar325]

Maple syrup is the key. I don't know how, but it is.

LMAO!!!

 

[Arcturus]

Maple syrup is the key. I don't know how, but it is.

LOL!

Maybe someone someday will make all the vehicles here run on Maple Syrup...yet, they already do!

 

[Corinthian™]

LOL!

Maybe someone someday will make all the vehicles here run on Maple Syrup...yet, they already do!

well... you can run a diesel car on Corn oil.

 

[Themanofbat]

Eastern Canada has treated Alberta strictly as a colony for over a century. You will have to forgive us if we start to behave like one.

And Western Canada thinks that the eastern canadian coast line ends in Quebec...

If you don't like it.... please leave.

And take jonty with you.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

Then by all means... please leave... and take Quebec with you.

I've had it with Canadians that think Province first, and Country second.
We're all the same as Canadians, and that means at times for the better of the country and for the world. So if it means that you might have to make some type of sacrifice, then so be it.

Otherwise, get the f***k outta my country.

Have a nice day.

Oh no, not those frenchies we don't need that burden.

Alberta has enough ressources and wealth to be it's own country but quite frankly I'm happy as the way things are. PS vote for Ray Danyluk (MLA) if you know whats good for you.

 

[War Lord]

stupid kyoto?

Anybody who follows the Kyoto agreement is beyond stupidity. There is not one country following it, because it cannot be followed without wrecking havoc with any country's economy.

The rumours about a new NEP keeps swirling about, so it's likely that the beareaucrats would really like to put the boots to Alberta.

Good thing it's enshrined in the constitution that resources belong to the provinces and provinces only, though it's likely that if the Liberals get in again, they'll figure a way around it.

 

[War Lord]

Then by all means... please leave... and take Quebec with you.

I've had it with Canadians that think Province first, and Country second.
We're all the same as Canadians, and that means at times for the better of the country and for the world. So if it means that you might have to make some type of sacrifice, then so be it.

Otherwise, get the f***k outta my country.

Have a nice day.

And we'll take 20% of the federal budget and no debt with us.

Perhaps if your province had been ripped off by upwards of 200 billion dollars in 8 short years, you'd be a little more sympathetic.

Probably not, because if you're like most Canadians, you probably believe the oil sands should belong to the feds.

 

[Themanofbat]

And we'll take 20% of the federal budget and no debt with us.

Perhaps if your province had been ripped off by upwards of 200 billion dollars in 8 short years, you'd be a little more sympathetic.

Probably not, because if you're like most Canadians, you probably believe the oil sands should belong to the feds.

OMG, you'd think you were the ONLY province to ever get screwed by Ottawa.

Learn yer facts jonty... the Maritimes were thriving in pre-confederation times.... mining, fishing, logging, farming, etc.. steel was first poured in Canada in Nova Scotia.. it was a manufactoring magnet in the mid 1800's...

Then, John A. MacDonald (a conservative, no less) wanted to shift that economic boom from the East to Central Canada. He introduced "protective tariffs" for Canada and eliminatd free trade with the US, thus cutting off a lot of money coming into the region. He also began the railway system going east-west... rather then east/west/south, which again would have simply benefited the area.

You know, joining Canada was probably the worst thing New Brunswick, Nova Scotia & PEI could have ever done. But we did it... we made our beds and let's move on. Things are looking better here than they ever have, and hopefully, we can learn from past mistakes. I'm glad to see the Newfoundland, NS & NB governments making a stand on their oil reserves, and other resources as well.

We're all one country and one people. Unfortunately, everybody wants a piece of the pie, and while I would never suggest that the federal government should have ALL of it's hands into the Albertan oil, I'm sure that between the two governments, a reasonable accord can be made.

 

[Darthphere]

 

[DOG LIPS]

Ha ha ha. They would SO get killed/molested.

 

[bored]

There's politics in Canada? Wow.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

Do dogs own people in the USA? I heard it's getting pretty rowdy down there.

 

[Deathlok2001]

Alberta separatism

Alberta separatism is a movement that advances the concept of the province of Alberta seceding from Canada to form an independent nation.

Alberta separatism arises from the belief held by some that Alberta is culturally distinct from the rest of Canada, and particularly from Eastern Canada, and from the belief that Alberta is harmed economically by providing financial support to other provinces through the federal transfer payment program. The Albertan economy has been traditionally based on ranching, and in the last half of the 20th century, been bolstered by considerable revenues from oil and gas production. Alberta has developed a political culture that is more conservative, in both economic and social issues, than the rest of Canada. Its economic base and political culture are highly similar to the U.S. state of Texas; on occasion Alberta is referred to as "Canada's Texas". The Reform Party of Canada, a conservative political party that challenged the centre-right Progressive Conservative Party of Canada, was created in Alberta.

Alberta separatism takes many different forms:

* some advocate Alberta seceding from Canada to establish its own country;
* more common is the idea that Western Canada (Alberta, British Columbia, Saskatchewan and possibly Manitoba) should separate to form one country, possibly including Canada's northern territories;
* one is that Alberta should separate only with British Columbia;
* others advocate Alberta becoming the 51st state by joining the United States.

 

[Deathlok2001]

The notion of Albertan secession from Canada has gained sympathy from some figures within Alberta's conservative parties. A candidate in the Alberta Alliance's, most recent leadership election offered conditional support for separation if the Conservatives lost the 2006 federal election. The candidate, David Crutcher, finished third in a field of four candidates with 21.5% of the vote in the second ballot. The Alliance, widely considered to be the most right-wing of the four parties with current representation in the Legislature, officially favours greater autonomy for Alberta within Canada. As of 2006, the Alliance continued to explicitly reject separation as a matter of party policy. It holds one seat in the Legislature.

Even after the federal Tories won the 2006 election, a prominent Albertan Progressive Conservative and likely candidate for the Tory leadership also refused to reject secession under all circumstances. Mark Norris, widely regarded as a leading contender to succeed Ralph Klein as the next Albertan Premier, told the Calgary Sun in March 2006 that under his leadership, if a future federal government persisted in bringing in policies harmful to Alberta such as a carbon tax, "(Alberta is) going to take steps to secede."

 

[War Lord]

OMG, you'd think you were the ONLY province to ever get screwed by Ottawa.

Learn yer facts jonty... the Maritimes were thriving in pre-confederation times.... mining, fishing, logging, farming, etc.. steel was first poured in Canada in Nova Scotia.. it was a manufactoring magnet in the mid 1800's...

Then, John A. MacDonald (a conservative, no less) wanted to shift that economic boom from the East to Central Canada. He introduced "protective tariffs" for Canada and eliminatd free trade with the US, thus cutting off a lot of money coming into the region. He also began the railway system going east-west... rather then east/west/south, which again would have simply benefited the area.

You know, joining Canada was probably the worst thing New Brunswick, Nova Scotia & PEI could have ever done. But we did it... we made our beds and let's move on. Things are looking better here than they ever have, and hopefully, we can learn from past mistakes. I'm glad to see the Newfoundland, NS & NB governments making a stand on their oil reserves, and other resources as well.

We're all one country and one people. Unfortunately, everybody wants a piece of the pie, and while I would never suggest that the federal government should have ALL of it's hands into the Albertan oil, I'm sure that between the two governments, a reasonable accord can be made.

When you get screwed over by as much as 200 billion dollars, come talk to me. No question that the feds have hurt the maritime economy, which is why I advocate the separation of the federal and provincial responsibilities as enshrined in the BNA act with never the twain should meet.

Part of the reason why Quebec wants out and BC and Alberta aren't far behind is because we have an intrusive federal government that wants things their way (read: Ontario). Until this is rectified, it's going to continue and possibly get worse.

 

[DOG LIPS]

Do dogs own people in the USA? I heard it's getting pretty rowdy down there.

I have a few humans, yes.

 

[Corinthian™]

I have a few humans, yes.

sex slave kids from asia don't count, Doggy

 

[DOG LIPS]

sex slave kids from asia don't count, Doggy

Oh.. nevermind then.