Discussion in 'Batman World' started by The Caped Knight, Oct 22, 2011.
Catwoman # 2 (The aftermath)
^ WHAT THE **** WAS THAT!? That's the most stupid **** I've ever read in a comic since TDKStrikesAgain.
What the hell is wrong with Winnick?!
My thoughts exactly. Honestly most of DC new 52 female leading ladies revamp is just been ridiculous as they just become eye candy with no real character to them any longer like previously, Lois, Selina even Diana had more than just looks to their character before this reboot. Now all they serve a purpose to is being portrayed as ****s women who have no real character purpose as strong independent characters
I know it's to do with the comics code, but really, why would Catwoman realistically still have her bra and panties on just after sex, especially her panties? It's just like in some tv episodes you see that a woman has put her bra back on immediately after sex, as if they feel more comfortable like that. That would never really happen.
Here comes the mob mentality....sigh...
Please read Catwoman before judging one panel. I promise you'll be surprised with the actual depth. #2 especially, had an amazing cliffhanger.
You can't really see if she had on anything below the waist, in the first part, his cape was covering it.
Also, It's not really a necessity to take your bra off, if you're caught in the moment.
I never wanted to see sex between these characters, especially in costume. These new comics suck. These are archetypal figures being reduced to trash.
I was excited about the DC revamp but I seriously don't want to read these comics now that I know about their content. I'm in my mid twenties, and I still think it is inappropriate.
Give me depth without sex scenes and then we'll talk.
It is inappropriate, and I think DC has the message from the readers. This will be the last time we'll see this from Catwoman (if I were to bet).
Nevertheless, don't throw the character out because the first issue had a sex scene. Give them a chance to pull back the reigns.
I'm getting the comic monthly, I just hope it gets better, I've heard Catwoman's not the only victim of this ****** "New 52" Re-launch.
Yeah I don't know what your talking about most of the characters you mentioned are still very strong characters. Diana and Selina too in my mind are still very much strong women. I think your opposed to seeing her doing the nasty which is alright because I don't like it much either but she's a grown woman and Bruce's a grown man why does it matter if two people have sex?
That being said the way it's being written is kind of beating it over our heads "THEY HAD SEX! SEEE!" but all in all it doesn't take away her power as a woman to have sex with a man now if that's all they do with her character for the next year then there might be a problem. For now just chill.
If they were to have sex, I would rather it is either just implied and depicted off screen, or if they must show them, that they are not in costume. It just looks extremely tacky and like some kind of erotic fan art or erotic fan fiction when they have their costumes on. At least with no costume it looks more tasteful. They don't have to show nudity either, as there are plenty of tv shows or even movies where two people are shown having sex but nudity isn't shown.
But it would be better to just have them lying in bed later on after the act, than showing them in the heat of passion.
Nothing wrong with them having sex in the comics. Get over it.
We don't want this in TDKR do we...
Not gonna lie, I kind of knew something like this was coming when they said that Judd Winick would be writing Catwoman. This is the guy who threw in a random minion to casually have a sexual relationship with Talia, because Hey! Why the heck not? One of his flaws as a writer, which is a shame, is his tendency to throw sex into a story. Not so much romance, mostly just sex. He writes pretty good dialogue, and some of his work, especially Under the Red Hood, is good. But the second he started slipping the word "sexy" into every sentence during his interview about the book, you could practically hear the crazyiness coming around the bend.
I personally hope that Nolan's Catwoman has a bit more class. I prefer the classic femme-fatale versus the new crazy cat lady. I know that the character's got a fun, sultry personality, I just think that fewer writers today can tackle that side of the character without jumping off the slippery slope. And given Nolan's track record, I expect Catwoman will be a bit more faithful to the character.
And it's not just Catwoman's actions that make me not pick up the book, it's Batman's as well. She (now, yet again, and why the heck are we repeating this?!?) doesn't know who Batman is, and he's now the type of a$$-h0le to take advantage of her now less-seductive-more-horny characterization, because now, apparently, he's got the impulse control of Green Arrow and the manners of a dog in at least two DCnU books, this and Detective Comics. And it's because of these changes in the status quo (not the continuity, which was left mostly in tact for Batman) that I refuse to buy most of the new 52's Batman line-up. Scott Snyder seems to be the only Batman writer to ignore this development, and his book rocks! I get that American society and pop-culture has gotten a lot more accustomed to reckless sex, but I thought DC's character's had standards. If I wanted to read about people making foolish decisions because its "cool", I'd read Green Arrow. Or 90% of Marvel.
Sorry, I had to get that off my chest. Anyways, I'm hoping the Dark Knight Rises has some sequences between Selina Kyle and Miranda Tate, partially just to see the two female leads in the same scene, and partially to see two of Batman's great love interests ( a term that implies much more intimacy than simply participating in the horizontal mambo together) interact if Tate is in fact Talia. Who's with me?
What the hell is peoples issue with characters getting it on in comics?
I'd rather see it in movies.
Indeed. I know it's for ratings and all that, but I always find it un natrural and annoying when the woman is holding a sheet to her chest - with no one else in the room except her or the guy. Or woman (!). I don't think I'd want Batman and Catwoman to do the deed. Not doing so keeps and increases the tension between them. Kinda like Bond and Moneypenny I guess.
Winnick's Catwoman has actually been a lot of fun so far. Admittedly, the sex scene was a bit bewildering. But it didn't bother me as much as most readers.
First, it is like walking in on your parents doing it. I grew up with these characters.
Second, it is inappropriate. It doesn't advance the story in any way. You can tell the reader they did it without illustrating the whole scene. See Batman / Catwoman interactions in Dini's work for reference, which IMHO is much more romantic and (dare I say) sexy.
Third, it is overboard. I suppose this should be expected when the name of the game for all entertainment these days is loss of subtlety, explosions everywhere, etc. They risk trivializing or undermining Batman / Catwoman's sexual tension by constantly flattening it. In my opinion it in fact trivializes their entire relationship - makes it a spectacle instead of drawing us in.
Fourth, it is like a bad porno. Shouting dirty words at each other during sex? Doing it with the costumes on? Good grief, you've got to be kidding me.
Fifth, it is just an inappropriate and exploitative way to use the characters. I think we've seen how the new comics are focused on Catwoman's body parts before we ever even see her face. I don't care if the comic has a good plot - these particular scenes are exploitative and cheapen the writing. They come off as teenage fantasies or bad fan fiction. The rest of the plot may well be a story feast but these scenes leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Then what is?
You've got to draw the line somewhere, and sex in mainstream comics, is crossing my line. Sex doesn't make a story edgy, IMO.
Its not that they're doing it. Its HOW its portrayed. Ie. lacking all sorts of the miniscule attempt at any kind of classyness.
Read the ending of Heart of Hush. Thats how you portray it in a great way.
Not like this.
Yup yup and yup.
Batman and superhero stories in general have never been about sexual freedom. In a story where sex is a big part of the actual theme (and not just there to titillate the mainly male audience), then yeah, show nudity and sex full on or whatever. But in a superhero story where the main quandary is non-sexual morals and physical conflicts, it just comes off as exploitative.
Well Catwoman seems to be an exploitive comic so....Its really not that bad. Kinda funny but not pushing anything too far. Good for Wayne, get that tail. Now storywise...