Fantastic Four: First Steps General News & Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Stark Bauer]

I wish they captured this moment in the film- it would have been a good call back to that most famous Avengers Shawarma post credit scene

 

[Spider-Fan]

Right now I am sitting here wondering....when and how might we get Valeria in the movies?

 

[Crimz]

Right now I am sitting here wondering....when and how might we get Valeria in the movies?

She's so tied to Doom that it has to be after his introduction at the very least. They should not do another film centered around Sue's pregnancy so Val should be born between films.

So she should be born after Secret Wars, before (hopefully) a Fantastic Four sequel.

 

[Spider-Fan]

She's so tied to Doom that it has to be after his introduction at the very least. They should not do another film centered around Sue's pregnancy so Val should be born between films.

So she should be born after Secret Wars, before (hopefully) a Fantastic Four sequel.

That's the rub though, you can't do another Sue is having a baby movie. But you need to find a way to still tie her to Doom or make Doom become her Godfather somehow. Def would be a post Secret Wars thing, but I am curious how you go about that

 

[Crimz]

That's the rub though, you can't do another Sue is having a baby movie. But you need to find a way to still tie her to Doom or make Doom become her Godfather somehow. Def would be a post Secret Wars thing, but I am curious how you go about that

I was going to create a theory of how to do it, but decided to not waste the brainpower.

Marvel were the ones the do the dumb decision of rushing Doom and having him played by RDJ. So it's for them to sort out all the stories thrown out of wack by that decision.

We just have to hope that it ends up being good and they maintain Doom's connection to Valeria and complex relationship with the Fantastic Four.

 

[Stark Bauer]

She's so tied to Doom that it has to be after his introduction at the very least. They should not do another film centered around Sue's pregnancy so Val should be born between films.

So she should be born after Secret Wars, before (hopefully) a Fantastic Four sequel.

This. I can only take so many zero G labour scenes

 

[Stark Bauer]

That's the rub though, you can't do another Sue is having a baby movie. But you need to find a way to still tie her to Doom or make Doom become her Godfather somehow. Def would be a post Secret Wars thing, but I am curious how you go about that

Easy. Post credits scene lol

 

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[Stark Bauer]

CHANGES THAT WERE MADE AND WHAT DIDNT MAKE THE FINAL CUT

Why oh why did they NOT include all of these?!?!

Especially Red Ghost and his baboons helping Reed build the teleportation bridges—HUGE MISSED OPPORTUNITY!

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[psylockolussus]

The Fantastic 4: Red Ghost Steps Cut when?

 

[blueharvest]

Take it with a grain of salt, I guess, until something more official is released by Disney.

 

[donuts]

CHANGES THAT WERE MADE AND WHAT DIDNT MAKE THE FINAL CUT

Why oh why did they NOT include all of these?!?!

Especially Red Ghost and his baboons helping Reed build the teleportation bridges—HUGE MISSED OPPORTUNITY!

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I have a theory that Kevin Feige got cold feet after Thunderbolts and went into panic mode, shaving of 15-20 minutes of the movie to make it shorter and swifter.

Now, the problem is that I believe that without those scenes the balance and pacing of the movie is off, making it actually heavier and and more sluggish than lighter.

The movie's tone doesn't really lend itself to the leaner cut (which didn't feel shorter), and the movie could've needed

- an initial fun "breather"
- a sequence which ACTUALLY shows us who the Fantastic Four are as a team and in action (we never get that, which did the characters no favors, with the actors' performances doing the heavy lifting to barely get there and makes us care)

They had an okay-good enough script, and a director who didn't exactly elevate the material beyond the retro setting (he did a solid job, but it's his first feature and it shows), and you cut the movie's legs off like this.

Again, my opinion on the movie is less negative than those points make it seem, but I found some of the choices baffling.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think the cuts were made for pacing reasons. Remember, there were reports of test audiences saying the movie was fine but maybe a tad boring. So I think it was less Thunderbolts reaction and more based on feedback from the test screenings, which they took to mean make it leaner and meaner.

 

[psylockolussus]

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Take it with a grain of salt, I guess, until something more official is released by Disney.

I have only seen the movie Twice. So i cannot wait to see it again for the third time.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I got to see it 3 times. I would watch again before streaming if I got a chance, but probably won't.

 

[donuts]

I think the cuts were made for pacing reasons. Remember, there were reports of test audiences saying the movie was fine but maybe a tad boring. So I think it was less Thunderbolts reaction and more based on feedback from the test screenings, which they took to mean make it leaner and meaner.

Yes, but it didn't help the pacing. It just made it shorter.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yes, but it didn't help the pacing. It just made it shorter.

We didn't see the other version, so we don't really know.

 

[donuts]

I was talking about the theatrical cut and how I felt about it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I would classify the pacing of what we got as “relentless” - foot on the gas the whole way. Barely any time to pause and reflect.

Obviously you don’t want something that is plodding, but I would think adding almost anything to this would get it into a more comfortable middle-ground between those two extremes.

Honestly, I think at least some scenes were cut to save some money and hit the extremely short window they had between principle photography and release rather than being a purely artistic decision.

 

[donuts]

I would classify the pacing of what we got as “relentless” - foot on the gas the whole way. Barely any time to pause and reflect.

Obviously you don’t want something that is plodding, but I would think adding almost anything to this would get it into a more comfortable middle-ground between those two extremes.

Honestly, I think at least some scenes were cut to save some money and hit the extremely short window they had between principle photography and release rather than being a purely artistic decision.

I wouldn't call it relentless. Its energy is too low for that and the pacing too deliberate.
Could've needed some spice and variety.

It also lacked more "show don't tell " punctuations of the story. It's a very expository dump kind of movie, where we're told what the characters feel and go through
, but it's hard to feel with and for them.

They could've learned some lessons from Thunderbolts about how to craft an emotional, fun and exciting story where you care about the characters and also get into some darker, melancholic stuff.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I wouldn't call it relentless. Its energy is too low for that and the pacing too deliberate.
Could've needed some spice and variety.

It also lacked more "show don't tell " punctuations of the story. It's a very expository dump kind of movie, where we're told what the characters feel and go through
, but it's hard to feel with and for them.

They could've learned some lessons from Thunderbolts about how to craft an emotional, fun and exciting story where you care about the characters and also get into some darker, melancholic stuff.

I agree with your points, but I think they’re a result of the pacing being too fast, and that’s why I called it relentless.

To me, pacing isn’t about how much “energy” there is, it’s how quickly information is revealed to the viewer. And this film shoveled information down our throats far too quickly.

But that doesn’t add energy, it takes it away.

For a film to have an intensity, it needs to allow the viewer to anticipate what is coming and understand how big and meaningful those things are.

But this film was just: Sue’s pregnant. Here’s the Silver Surfer. The world’s going to end. Here’s Galactus. Here’s the baby…