Frustration with WB.

[hippie_hunter]

I didn't mean that Batman isn't from the DC Universe I mean that the way they are doing the movie it seems like this Batman as a character couldn't possibly exist in the same world as Flash, Superman, Green Lantern, or Wonder Woman. also we've all seen many interviews where Bale has said he probably won't do any batman movies without Nolan.

I mean, if Warner Bros. wants to have Nolan's interpretation of Batman be a part of a grander DC Universe, then he will. DC owns Nolan's interpretation, not Nolan.

Also, while Bale was opposed to the Justice League movie, he was only opposed to it because he wants Nolan to finish up what he started. He's also open to the idea of Batman teaming up with Superman. His opposition is nowhere near as extreme as Nolan's who was so opposed to the Justice League movie even though it has a different Batman.

Also, it doesn't matter if it isn't with Nolan, Bale is contractually obligated to play as Batman one more time.

You all missed the point of what I was saying and yet a small like like that could be in place especially when in the story part of the plot is bringing the Batman to justice. I didn't say I thought it was something that should be mandatory I just meant it could have been worked in. One little line acknowledging other super heroes exist in a movie about a super hero isn't that far fetched.

But again, it wouldn't make sense since the only DC movies that might make up a DC Movie Universe are Superman the Movie, Superman II, and Superman Returns. Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, and Flash haven't even gotten movies yet.

How can you say how there are other superheroes out there when there's only one?

 

[MadVillainy]

My main question is: What are they waiting for?
I mean superhero films make money its a proven fact. even B&R made over 200 mill. Hulk made over 300 mill.
I understand that they want to make the movies good but they wait on the movies so long that ppl leave the project

Goyer left the Flash
Whedon left (/was kicked off) Wonder Woman

And now they have a bunch of first time scribes to write the pieces. Its probaly to minimize on the "diva" factor. But to entrust a huge 100 million dollar budget to first timers guys who havent even written indies is a bad idea

 

[maveholic31]

I'd rather wait for great comic films than the trend marvel is going by releasing crap after crap (excluding Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk) such as Spiderman 3, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, Punisher, etc. I can wait until they make a damn good GL or WW film.

 

[The Guard]

What are they waiting for?

Hmm...maybe for billions and billions of dollars to magically coelesce, and for the general public to start wanting only superhero movies?

 

[Metamorpho1977]

We the fans should all get together and picket outside of Warner Brothers until they listen to us.

 

[Evil Twin]

It's not like Watchmen or Wolverine set the box office ablaze this year. (Heck, it's not like Whedon set the Nielsen ratings ablaze with his show either for those clamoring for his WW.) The "superhero boom" isn't as widespread as I think people are making out. Iron Man/TDK aren't the norm.

I really don't see what the fuss is at this time. WB basically has 3 DC films in casting/preproduction/production with Jonah Hex, The Losers, and Green Lantern. They have two television series in active production with Smallville and The Human Target. Preacher is in development for a different company. It's a little early to be worrying about WB's 2011/2012 slate in Spring 2009.

Heck, as Marvel has proven, big announcements for films early in preproduction mean practically nothing as their timetable, which they released right after Iron Man hit big, has had significant changes to it.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

^QFT.

Wow, never seen so much common sense in a post before.

When people complain about DC, they really mean they only care about seeing a certain character/s on screen whether or not the WB is making a very versatile collection of projects from DC.

 

[MadVillainy]

Wolverine is making decent money, not gang busters but with so much negative feedback I'm not surprised
Watchmen is another story
and then just last year
TDK 1 bill
IM over 500 mill
TIH over 300 mill
Hellboy II over 150 mill
Wanted over 300 mill (from a 75 mill budget)
SP3 mediocre reviews still made over 800 mill
FF2 crappy reviews made over 200 mill


There still is money to be made in Superhero/comic films. The superhero/comic book film boom is still in effect. Otherwise we wouldnt have announcements every other week that a new comic book is getting adapted. Saying that its over doesnt make any sense. They are improving in quality (for the most part) and are making good money

and maybe I should be more specific whats taking them so long with the big 7 (Flash, WW, Aquaman, Superman although I can see why its taking longer with Superman) because those are the characters I care about most. The Losers movie will be cool, Jonah Hex im indifferent about

 

[AnorexicBatman]

I wish WB would stop their Jonah Hex/The Losers nonsense and make some good movies about popular comic book properties. A good film about a well known (at least in comic circles) property will get more money than something less mainstream...

Also, Lobo solo movie.... WTF??
Ya, screw Superman... lets make a movie about his villains who are NOT Lex Luthor

 

[Octoberist]

i'm all for variety so I'm all for Jonah Hex.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

The problem isn't doing Jonah Hex... the problem is that it seems to be the only thing they are interested in.

It's like dude who runs fast or a dude who can make stuff using a ruing seems to heavy and complex....

 

[Octoberist]

i think Jonah Hex just came through; call it a fluke.

To be honest, I'm happy that they're moving forward with Lantern, but what about the rest of the DC characters? It's hard to say. I mean, they can't wait till 2011 to see how Green Lantern pans out right? I hope that by later this year, we'll hear more about Wonder Woman, The Flash, etc.

 

[spidermilk]

I think overall it's a lack of faith in the characters. And this is on Warner's part, not DC's. They chicken out on anything outside of Gotham or Metropolis, again & again & again.
Look at the monstrosity known as "Catwoman"; they severed all ties to the comic book & gave us an uninspired, watered-down mess.
I wouldn't be so quick to demand these projects, though; until WB takes the properties seriously we can expect to get a barrage of bad movies.

It's shameful but it's the truth, they have the material, but do they have the funding? or is the truth that Batman and Superman arguably the two biggest superheros are the only thing DC are good for... I don't believe.

 

[Evil Twin]

I wish WB would stop their Jonah Hex/The Losers nonsense and make some good movies about popular comic book properties. A good film about a well known (at least in comic circles) property will get more money than something less mainstream...

By that logic, WB shouldn't have greenlit 300.

And, really, there's nothing that's not "mainstream" about a western, with roots in the cinematic "spaghetti western", and an action adventure espionage movie. As a bonus, both probably will cost considerably less than $150 million to make.

And, seriously, when the best selling graphic novel in history, Watchmen, has recognition problems, I think we should put into perspective how "mainstream" some of these characters are. Sure, the public knows Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-man, Wolverine, The Hulk, Captain America, and now Iron Man. But, beyond that group, we really shouldn't assume that they're lining up around the block already. Nor should we assume that it's easy to put them into a movie that will appeal to people that recognize them. Comic book sales aren't exactly at eye popping levels right now.

I think it also does no good to ignore the box office of stuff like Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four, The Spirit, The Punisher, and some I'm obviously forgetting.

 

[spidermilk]

I'd rather wait for great comic films than the trend marvel is going by releasing crap after crap (excluding Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk) such as Spiderman 3, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, Punisher, etc. I can wait until they make a damn good GL or WW film.

Agree!

 

[spidermilk]

i think Jonah Hex just came through; call it a fluke.

To be honest, I'm happy that they're moving forward with Lantern, but what about the rest of the DC characters? It's hard to say. I mean, they can't wait till 2011 to see how Green Lantern pans out right? I hope that by later this year, we'll hear more about Wonder Woman, The Flash, etc.

Why don't they just do something daring like making a 3hour long, 300 million dollars Justice League film.

If they paid known actors well, get Bail and Routh to make cameos. Then do a bunch of spin offs.

This could work really well.

 

[Wally West]

And, seriously, when the best selling graphic novel in history, Watchmen, has recognition problems, I think we should put into perspective how "mainstream" some of these characters are. Sure, the public knows Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-man, Wolverine, The Hulk, Captain America, and now Iron Man. But, beyond that group, we really shouldn't assume that they're lining up around the block already. Nor should we assume that it's easy to put them into a movie that will appeal to people that recognize them. Comic book sales aren't exactly at eye popping levels right now.








Watchmen may be the best selling graphic novel of all time, but that means less than nothing as far as mainstream familiarity goes. The mainstream doesn't buy graphic novels - but they do watch TV.

There was a Justice League cartoon that ran for 5 years on television this decade, then there were the Superfriends, a Wonder Woman televsion series, a Flash TV series, and apearances by the Flash, and Aquaman on Smallville, not to mention numerous pop culture references in various tv shows and films such as the fictional Aquaman movie used as a subplot on Entourage, the kid wearing the Flash costume(which you can buy every holloween) in that Eddie Murphy movie.

Most of the big 7 have had some exposure to the mainstream, and at the very least are far more well known than the watchmen were before the film hit.

 

[Metamorpho1977]

Just look at Nolan's Batman as an Elseworld's story.

 

[Anubis]

I'd rather wait for great comic films than the trend marvel is going by releasing crap after crap (excluding Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk) such as Spiderman 3, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, Punisher, etc. I can wait until they make a damn good GL or WW film.

Technically all those movies weren't released by Marvel. And the only exceptions you cited were. Not disagreeing, just putting that out there.

 

[Metamorpho1977]

Jonah Hex will do for DC's movies what Blade did for Marvel. Before Blade, no one outside of comic circles knew he was a Marvel character and I believe that it was Blade that kickstarted the Marvel age of films. I believe Jonah Hex will do that for DC. He's going to sneak in under the radar and open the mainstream eyes to characters besides Superman and Batman.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

At least they've started doing the direct to DVD movies which have been great and way better than what Marvel's done.

Biased much? Marvel's Direct to DVD films have been amazing! Superman Vs Doomsday was like watching a long cartoon. Gotham Knight was pretty mediocre and New Frontier was meh.

 

[Webhead2006]

hopefully it will happen like that for WB/DC.