Gauntlet running.

Yeah Goku uses IT in fight in the movies. That could mean that he can quickly teleport himself if he sees the point, but for longer distances, he has to focus..

Warp-speed isn't instantanious...

Teleportation is at the speed of light by the way.


"SSJ3 Gokou was not really at SSJ Gotenkusu´s level." <-- Seriously do you just hate DBZ??
 
OMEGAVEGETTO said:
but he does that rather quickly..he used i.t. fighting super 17 and coola. but if you're talkin looong distance, if goku already knows the location then he doesnt have to think. its as simple as on your mark...(hes getting the location) get set....Bang he's there.

-- Yes but those are non canon you see.
All DB/Z/GT movies and episodes.
Just the manga is really canon.

If Gokou could do that all along he would be able to take down everyone.
You can exange your speed for power (USSJ2 Torankusu states that).
So Gokou would make all his speed into pure brute strenght, and then just use instanttranslockation.
 
By the way, how will Sonic beat the Hulk?
 
Speculation? He could teleport to Kaio-sama's planet (another dimension even!), by doing it with Cell, and by teleporting there to find New Namek, because Namekians don't have far sensable energies.

He sensed the Namekian´s energy, that´s why he said, it´s too far away insteed of saying I cannot sense them. The funny thing about heaven and H.F.I.L in DB is that they are in the same universe at different planet´s.

True... But if you go outside the Manga he can use it in a fight (movie 6 - against Metal Coola)

That is non-canon, you could see Yamucha (in heaven) beating Olibou and an other guy. Olibou was slight weaker than Pikkon who knocked Sk. Seru in one hit.
So that would make Yamucha stronger than Seru, and also chibi Boo the strongest Boo.
SSJ3 Gokou stronger than chou Gohan ect. -- This is why nnon canon is unrealible.

That fact is a little inconsistent, because Goku made it over the snakeway in his normal form before fighting Vegeta, in 1 day, that speed is VERY close to SSJ Gotenks' speed if you say he made it 7 laps around the world... well clearly that is an inconsistency.. The same goes for Buu finding Goku and Vegeta

Yes Akira retconned the fighter´s from time to time.
A blast from Bejiita (Fruiza saga) aimed on Fruiza would destroy the entire Namek.
While SSJ3 Gokou deflect a blast from Majin Boo and it just whipes out 10% of the earth.
Speed is also like that, he incressed and removed it from time to time.
Gokou as a child lifted one ton.
Gokou after Seru saga couldent lift 40* ton´s as easiley.

Sorry you're maybe not familiar with the concept of Warp Speed (read Warp Velocity). A fictional concept from Star Trek though... It's not infinite but several times the speed of light.
When I refere to warp speed, I also refere to the warping ability.
Such as serval Marvel/DC cosmic were capable to.
 
Hit him in the skull at speeds faster than light.
Seriously, I've seen hulk get koed by less.
 
Yeah Goku uses IT in fight in the movies. That could mean that he can quickly teleport himself if he sees the point, but for longer distances, he has to focus..

Movies are non canon and simply make no sence, there are no greater logic in them, iof any at all.

Warp-speed isn't instantanious...

If you refere to warping ability it is.
If to the startrek version, than no.

Teleportation is at the speed of light by the way.

No, tele(far away) port, you would be able to go from one place to an other at no time at all.

"SSJ3 Gokou was not really at SSJ Gotenkusu´s level." <-- Seriously do you just hate DBZ??
SSJ3 Gokou was slight stronger than Majin Boo.
Gokou stated that the kid´s fused together as SSJ would be able to destroy him.
-- Beside he did put up a good battle against Shin Boo (Supa ghost kamikaze attaku). Gokou stated in the stomach of Boo that he and Bejiita was not enough to defeat Boo.
 
SSJ4_Mikael said:
He sensed the Namekian´s energy, that´s why he said, it´s too far away insteed of saying I cannot sense them. The funny thing about heaven and H.F.I.L in DB is that they are in the same universe at different planet´s.
1. Yet Goku was able to teleport there from Kaiosama's planet...
2. Who said they are in the same universe? That's a bit of nonsense...
SSJ4_Mikael said:
That is non-canon, you could see Yamucha (in heaven) beating Olibou and an other guy. Olibou was slight weaker than Pikkon who knocked Sk. Seru in one hit.
So that would make Yamucha stronger than Seru, and also chibi Boo the strongest Boo.
SSJ3 Gokou stronger than chou Gohan ect. -- This is why nnon canon is unrealible.
I see your point, and I know they are unreliable. But why would Yamchu be stronger than chibi Boo (and you say it's the strongest Boo? The strongest one is btw Boo with Gohan absorbed.)
SSJ4_Mikael said:
Yes Akira retconned the fighter´s from time to time.
A blast from Bejiita (Fruiza saga) aimed on Fruiza would destroy the entire Namek.
While SSJ3 Gokou deflect a blast from Majin Boo and it just whipes out 10% of the earth.
Speed is also like that, he incressed and removed it from time to time.
Gokou as a child lifted one ton.
Gokou after Seru saga couldent lift 40* ton´s as easiley.
Inconsistensies from Akira's site, it doesn't make sense that you can compare normal Goku with a fighting power of 5,000 to SSJ Gotenks with I don't know how many millions in fighting power...
SSJ4_Mikael said:
When I refere to warp speed, I also refere to the warping ability.
Such as serval Marvel/DC cosmic were capable to.
And how fast is that?
 
"SSJ3 Gokou was slight stronger than Majin Boo.
Gokou stated that the kid´s fused together as SSJ would be able to destroy him.
-- Beside he did put up a good battle against Shin Boo (Supa ghost kamikaze attaku). Gokou stated in the stomach of Boo that he and Bejiita was not enough to defeat Boo."

Almost the same subject has been discussed is this forum. But that was about SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks. Don't come here and say that SSJ Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
Just because Goku says the kids will be able to beat Boo whome Goku knew he could beat, doesn't mean he is weaker than Gotenks...

Besides Super Gotenks got his ass handed to him by Boo. He was being toyed with for crying out loud...
 
Tarbis -- Most powerful angel in Neon Genesis Evangelion - runs the gauntlet.
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1, Majin Bejiita
2, Chou Gohan
3, Supa Bejiito
4, Thanos w/ Cosmic Cube
5, Thanos w/ Reality Gem.
6, The six member´s of the infinity watch (w/ gem´s)
7, Eternity/Infinity
8, The brothers Morningstar (Lucifer and Michael)
9, Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet.
10, Thanos w/ Heart of the Infinite
 
MSGohan said:
"SSJ3 Gokou was slight stronger than Majin Boo.
Gokou stated that the kid´s fused together as SSJ would be able to destroy him.
-- Beside he did put up a good battle against Shin Boo (Supa ghost kamikaze attaku). Gokou stated in the stomach of Boo that he and Bejiita was not enough to defeat Boo."

Almost the same subject has been discussed is this forum. But that was about SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks. Don't come here and say that SSJ Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
Just because Goku says the kids will be able to beat Boo whome Goku knew he could beat, doesn't mean he is weaker than Gotenks...

Besides Super Gotenks got his ass handed to him by Boo. He was being toyed with for crying out loud...

See it like this:
Pre-RotS Gotenkusu = FpSSJ2 Gokou
Pre-RotS SSJ Gotenkusu = FpSSJ3 Gokou > Majin Boo
Shin Boo > Post-RotS Gotenkusu > FpSSJ3 Gokou
SSJ3 Gotenkusu = Shin Boo

If you want to debate futher I sugest that you PM me and we´ll talk about it over email, this thread isnt for debating.
 
"He have an AT-field (works like and aura) which can whipe out every living being." <-- Then why do you compare him to living beings? It's like saying you have a tank and have to fight against Mike Tyson - Bruce Lee - [then] Helikopters - Boats - ect..

You get the point?
 
MSGohan said:
1. Yet Goku was able to teleport there from Kaiosama's planet...
2. Who said they are in the same universe? That's a bit of nonsense...

I see your point, and I know they are unreliable. But why would Yamchu be stronger than chibi Boo (and you say it's the strongest Boo? The strongest one is btw Boo with Gohan absorbed.)

Inconsistensies from Akira's site, it doesn't make sense that you can compare normal Goku with a fighting power of 5,000 to SSJ Gotenks with I don't know how many millions in fighting power...

And how fast is that?


Cosmic entities in Marvel and DC? Ranging anywhere from instantaneous to thousands, millions, and billions times against the speed of light.
 
MSGohan said:
"He have an AT-field (works like and aura) which can whipe out every living being." <-- Then why do you compare him to living beings? It's like saying you have a tank and have to fight against Mike Tyson - Bruce Lee - [then] Helikopters - Boats - ect..

You get the point?

Lilith had powers that could do the same. Technically, when there's not a huge buffer of power, it comes down to skill of use.
 
Mistress Gluon said:
Lilith had powers that could do the same. Technically, when there's not a huge buffer of power, it comes down to skill of use.
Sorry if I didn't understand you, but what does that have to do with what I said?
 
MSGohan said:
"He have an AT-field (works like and aura) which can whipe out every living being." <-- Then why do you compare him to living beings? It's like saying you have a tank and have to fight against Mike Tyson - Bruce Lee - [then] Helikopters - Boats - ect..

You get the point?
Thanos (for an example) with the reality gem could control reality (remove give powers, change law of physics)
Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet stated that all univeres was nothing but clay in his hands.

Thanos with the Heart was God (with an capital G)
He killed every being across the multi-verse (not the ultra-verses that´s why death and Warlock survived -- He could kill them later though)
 
SSJ4_Mikael said:
Thanos (for an example) with the reality gem could control reality (remove give powers, change law of physics)
Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet stated that all univeres was nothing but clay in his hands.

Thanos with the Heart was God (with an capital G)
He killed every being across the multi-verse (not the ultra-verses that´s why death and Warlock survived -- He could kill them later though)
I was only refering to the DBZ Characters :)
The others are fine candidates.

And I would say Lucifer and Michael would stop him.
 
MSGohan said:
I was only refering to the DBZ Characters :)
The others are fine candidates.
There are some that realy "belive" in the DB character.
 
SSJ4_Mikael said:
There are some that realy "belive" in the DB character.

I'm one of them. But this is more like a fight between a ghost and a human. The ghost maybe have the ability to kill the human. But the human can't even see, touch, hear or feel it...
 
I´d say Thanos with the Cosmic Cube would make it.
Since he could become abstract. And controll reality (universal power)
 

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