GotGv2 vs Wonder Woman

[Rowsdower!]

This is a tough one. Loved both films but I think Guardians narrowly edges out Wondy for me. Maybe just because I can't stop listening to the soundtrack, haha.

 

[DrCosmic]

WW had higher highs but Guardians stuck the landing. So Guardians takes this one, but it's close. This poll will remain neck and neck for a while.

This. If WW's third act had been as big a high as the first two, this would be a very different conversation.

 

[Bearzooka]

I enjoyed Guardians, especially "Im Mary Poppins Yall!", but I got to go with Wonder Woman.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Wonder Woman for sure, GOTG 2 was pretty good but it could have been a lot better.

 

[Quasimod0]

I think Guardians is more consistently fun. I really loved Wonder Woman but the Themyscara stuff didn't wow me, the finale wasn't great, and the villains were laughable. Guardians kept me entertained from beginning to end and had a great villain, lots of heart, and a really good final battle.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Can someone please explain to me the dislike for the 3rd part of WW? I thought it was just as good, if not better, than the rest of the film.

 

[Quasimod0]

I think it was a fine finale overall, but I was let down by the villain and how "BvS" smoked/fiery the background got. It wasn't bad by any means, just didn't stand out in my opinion. Really good movie though

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Can someone please explain to me the dislike for the 3rd part of WW? I thought it was just as good, if not better, than the rest of the film.

I wonder about that too. I think people are missing the point of the third act. It wasn't to introduce the most awesomest villain ever in a comic book movie. It was to show how Wonder Woman reacted to how something she believed in her whole life turned out to be a lie. A super duper awesome villain that was the focus of the 3rd act would have diluted the impact of that revelation. I guess people didn't care about that though, because most the complaints were the villains were weak.

 

[The_Manhunter]

I think it was a fine finale overall, but I was let down by the villain and how "BvS" smoked/fiery the background got. It wasn't bad by any means, just didn't stand out in my opinion. Really good movie though

Ah OK, thanks. Personally I thought Ares was really cool because his placement within Britain subverted the cliche "Germans=bad guys" we usually see in period movies. In World War I, everyone was at fault, and Ares did a great job exemplifying that IMO (yes, I'm a history buff lol).


Also liked that they went with the full on costume. Only complaint was I wish he had been larger.

I didn't mind the dark - in fact I liked that choice.

I wonder about that too. I think people are missing the point of the third act. It wasn't to introduce the most awesomest villain ever in a comic book movie. It was to show how Wonder Woman reacted to how something she believed in her whole life turned out to be a lie. A super duper awesome villain that was the focus of the 3rd act would have diluted the impact of that revelation. I guess people didn't care about that though, because most the complaints were the villains were weak.

I think Ludendoff and Doctor Poison were shallow - but that was the point, that these seemingly evil people were bad, but made worse by Ares.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Spoiler: Don't read further if you haven't seen the movie.

Spoiler

Some people were also complaining about Sir Patrick Morgan not being buff enough to be Ares. But Ares is a god, why does he need to be buff? Sort of like why does Superman need all those muscles if Supergirl is just as strong? Ares was just taking on a human form, was there any real need to change form once he revealed himself to Diana, other than comic book fans having a muscle fetish.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Can someone please explain to me the dislike for the 3rd part of WW? I thought it was just as good, if not better, than the rest of the film.

I don't get the criticisms of the 3rd act either. It's a CBM, a hero vs villain battle is expected, and WW added some substance to theirs.

Though to be fair, so did the finale of GOTG2.

 

[Mjölnir]

I don't get the criticisms of the 3rd act either. It's a CBM, a hero vs villain battle is expected, and WW added some substance to theirs.

Though to be fair, so did the finale of GOTG2.

In the Cinematic Civil War thread this was discussed and the same question asked, and people were pointing out that it's not about the presence of such a fight but the execution of it (the fight isn't all of the third act either).

Things that were added to it were the weak villan ([blackout]and the Greek god looking like a goofy, older Britrish gentleman[/blackout]), the fumbling of the message (apparently both love and war are represented by fighting), etc.

 

[Visualiza]

In the Cinematic Civil War thread this was discussed and the same question asked, and people were pointing out that it's not about the presence of such a fight but the execution of it (the fight isn't all of the third act either).

Things that were added to it were the weak villan ([blackout]and the Greek god looking like a goofy, older Britrish gentleman[/blackout]), the fumbling of the message (apparently both love and war are represented by fighting), etc.

The clunky exposition dump didn't help either.

 

[DACrowe]

Surprised Guardians is winning. And folks are running around saying WW is overrated.

Yes, Guardians 2 was a disappointment for me. It is a perfectly adequate movie with a lot of laughs, and a pretty decent villain. But not since Avengers 2 did I get one that had that kind of canned sitcomy feel that just rubs me the wrong way with some of these Marvel movies (I think Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 had it, although much worse than Guardians 2).

Wonder Woman is a great movie filled with heart, sincerity, and a sweeping grandeur. It reminds me of old classics, and not just STM. It has a 1940s quality to its storytelling, even if it's set in 1918. Also the chemistry between Gadot and Pine was addictive.

Still looking forward to Apes and Dunkirk, but right now WW is the movie to beat this summer. And along with Logan, one of the two superhero movies I think that will live on past this calendar year in conversations for the non comic book geek set.

 

[DACrowe]

Wonder Woman easily. It's a one woman show, but what a damn show it is.

GotG2 had zero narrative drive with most of the cast sitting around waiting for the eventual Ego reveal, and reduced most of the characters to yelling at each other without provocation. Now everyone outside of Quill is unable to understand sarcasm or figures of speech. Just an overall ball of meh.

This.

 

[zlucamanz]

Can someone please explain to me the dislike for the 3rd part of WW? I thought it was just as good, if not better, than the rest of the film.

Spoiler

when Ares is dead,the soldier stop fighting and even hug eachother and so war is end,so what wonder woman's thinking about Ares started the war at the first time still vaild.

powerful message like all human still F@#@ themselve up no longer vaild.it's beacuse Ares messing around.

and still not match her character in BvS i think she will learn this leason in WWII A.K.A america used nuclear to end the war.

 

[Awest66]

Gonna go with Wonder Woman though I enjoyed both quite a bit.

 

[Awest66]

Surprised Guardians is winning. And folks are running around saying WW is overrated.

Yes, Guardians 2 was a disappointment for me. It is a perfectly adequate movie with a lot of laughs, and a pretty decent villain. But not since Avengers 2 did I get one that had that kind of canned sitcomy feel that just rubs me the wrong way with some of these Marvel movies (I think Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 had it, although much worse than Guardians 2).

Wonder Woman is a great movie filled with heart, sincerity, and a sweeping grandeur. It reminds me of old classics, and not just STM. It has a 1940s quality to its storytelling, even if it's set in 1918. Also the chemistry between Gadot and Pine was addictive.

Still looking forward to Apes and Dunkirk, but right now WW is the movie to beat this summer. And along with Logan, one of the two superhero movies I think that will live on past this calendar year in conversations for the non comic book geek set.

Completely agree

 

[m2k]

Both of these are 7/10 for me. I'll give Gotg2 a slight edge for having better character development and entertainment value. Both have minor pacing issues and their lull moments. However Ego was much more interesting than WW villains and Gotg2 third act finish rather strong while WW took a complete nose dive into cliche-ville I thought. I put these in the upper middle pack but not in my top tier of films as all the critical acclaim may suggest they may be.

 

[Greens]

Really liked both but WW.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

GOTG2

The movie connected with me.

I could relate to Star-Lord, Yondu and even Ego.

And visually the movie is pure joy. I was also laughing non-stop.

I got emotional in the beginning of WW but once they leave the Amazonian's island it's pretty routine stuff. I'm happy the movie was a major success though. It helps DCEU, movies with female heroes and all comic book movies, really.

 

[Batmannerism]

GOTG2

The movie connected with me.

I could relate to Star-Lord, Yondu and even Ego.

And visually the movie is pure joy. I was also laughing non-stop.

I got emotional in the beginning of WW but once they leave the Amazonian's island it's pretty routine stuff. I'm happy the movie was a major success though. It helps DCEU, movies with female heroes and all comic book movies, really.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I totally get how folks can relate to the characters in GOTG because just like real people, they're not straightforward, or perfect - they make mistakes and do the wrong thing.

Straight up the characters in GOTG2 were a lot deeper than any in WW (except maybe Diana herself, and GG deserves big time credit for that). Even Ego, although he planned to take over the universe, felt guilt and remorse over killing Peter's mom and all his kids (which is why Mantis had to help him sleep). He wasn't just a one-dimensional villain (like General whatisname or Doctor Phantom of the Opera).

And the ending, with "Father and Son" that's emotional stuff.

Still, I'm also glad that WW has been such a big success.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Spoiler

when Ares is dead,the soldier stop fighting and even hug eachother and so war is end,so what wonder woman's thinking about Ares started the war at the first time still vaild.

powerful message like all human still F@#@ themselve up no longer vaild.it's beacuse Ares messing around.

and still not match her character in BvS i think she will learn this leason in WWII A.K.A america used nuclear to end the war.

Those were the Germans hugging each other, then at Trafalgar it was the British hugging each other.

Ares losing did not make them best buddies.

And it does match her character in BvS. She says as the movie closes she realizes that men need to make their own choices and she can't just bail them out.

Superman and Batman changed that though.

 

[zlucamanz]

Those were the Germans hugging each other, then at Trafalgar it was the British hugging each other.

Ares losing did not make them best buddies.

And it does match her character in BvS. She says as the movie closes she realizes that men need to make their own choices and she can't just bail them out.

Superman and Batman changed that though.

Yet when she kill Ares she already pick and cut those men choices.what she belived it's ares doing still vaild after all.

i would rather have Ares just sitting back there watched a whole thing without giving anyone hand help with clearly deilvery powerful message that the men always awful and some are good.

 

[Tony Stark]

Two very different efforts, but I'd have to vote GOTGv2 for having a better villain, and better all around supporting cast.