Happy Canada Day 2006!!!

We had no chance of meeting our Kyoto goals anyway. Admitting that is one of Harper's best moves so far.

On the other hand, I fear he's exchanging an unrealistic environmental program for a nihilistic one.
 
FlameHead said:
The war on terror is a farce. It's a threat created by the elite just to have something to attack and keep everyone controlled by fear. Everyone knows that by now, don't they? The fact that we are now fighting that war (ie; protecting the oil line in Afganistan) really pisses me off.

Harper has the same beliefs as the Neo-Cons who run the US and a lot of the rest of the world and he's already following paths that Bush has taken. Any leader that looks up to Bush is no leader that I want, let me tell you. Soon, you'll see a created terror attack on our soil to submit us into believing this war is useful. Western civilizations have been doing this for decades and Harper wants Majority bad enough to do it.

Harper is bad man Warlord. He's in bed with the Bilderbergs (look it up) and I will not sit by and let our country be taken over moreso by the globalists who want to enslave the entire population.

Wake up man. Wake up.

Since elected officials also go to Bilderberg conferences, it's unlikely that there really is mych of a conspiracy since there are a ton of elected officials who are no longer in office and they aren't too concerned.

As far as I know, Bilderberg is simply a place that people can go to really speak their mind and say things they can't say in real life without reporters doing front pages on their comments.
 
War Lord said:
Since elected officials also go to Bilderberg conferences, it's unlikely that there really is mych of a conspiracy since there are a ton of elected officials who are no longer in office and they aren't too concerned.

As far as I know, Bilderberg is simply a place that people can go to really speak their mind and say things they can't say in real life without reporters doing front pages on their comments.

Any group of people that has that much power in the world has no right having secret meetings and planning world events without us knowing. Reporters are here for a reason. It gives us the opportunity to know what our leaders are up too (well, those who aren't owned by the leaders). The Bilderbergs are a highly secretive wealthy family with a lot of power. They have no right planning events without us knowing about it. What are they hidding?

You have to realize that those in office aren't the ones who really have the power here. There are an elite group of individuals, banking systems that control this world and they are nearing complete domination. It's not Bush. It's not the US Government. It's not Harper. It's not the Canadian government. There are elements of all of these (and more) that are dictating how our lives are going to be led and some of us just won't stand for that. Others, like yourself, have to be forced into a concentration camp before you realize what's really happening on our planet.

Stephen Harper want's governement to be accountable yet, he goes to these secret meetings and has secret plans. He's not even living by the accountability that he pushes for.
 
War Lord said:
Or giving families $1,200 a year so that they can better support their kids sucks?

It's taxable income, so the families' net gain is barely over 700 bucks, which is sweet F A when it comes to taking care of child care needs.

And even if you did get the magical $100 per month for your child, it essentially does nothing. Anyone with a child will know that $25 per week means little when it comes to 5 days/week child care needs, especially when most daycares charge a minimum of $120 per week (and those are the cheap & poorly run ones).

What this country needs is a reliable day care system that can take the financial AND emotional burden off parents. If it needs to be government funded then so be it. Remember... today's kids are going to be your caretakers tomorrow... so let's not try & f***k them up too much.

War Lord said:
Canada's environment is fairly pristine and hardly in danger.

My god, you're an even bigger tit than anyone could ever imagine.

Why do I even engage in conversation with you when I can get a more scintillating conversation from an eggplant?

Go away.

Please.
 
Themanofbat said:
It's taxable income, so the families' net gain is barely over 700 bucks, which is sweet F A when it comes to taking care of child care needs.

And even if you did get the magical $100 per month for your child, it essentially does nothing. Anyone with a child will know that $25 per week means little when it comes to 5 days/week child care needs, especially when most daycares charge a minimum of $120 per week (and those are the cheap & poorly run ones).

What this country needs is a reliable day care system that can take the financial AND emotional burden off parents. If it needs to be government funded then so be it. Remember... today's kids are going to be your caretakers tomorrow... so let's not try & f***k them up too much.


My god, you're an even bigger tit than anyone could ever imagine.

Why do I even engage in conversation with you when I can get a more scintillating conversation from an eggplant?

Go away.

Please.

The Liberal plan wasn't applicable by everybody, but had to be paid for by everybody. The Liberal plan only allowed a day care that's only open from 7 am to 6 pm and in an urban setting so somebody living out in the country or working shift work couldn't take advantage of it and were still stucking finding their own alternatives, yet still paying for it.

$100 bucks may not mean much, but at least everybody who has children can qualify. Which should teach you something about social spending. That being it only works best if a few people need it. Once the masses start to take advantage of it, it automatically becomes either less affordable or less service must be provided.
 
Themanofbat said:
My god, you're an even bigger tit than anyone could ever imagine.

Why do I even engage in conversation with you when I can get a more scintillating conversation from an eggplant?

Go away.

Please.

Show me the mass animal deaths of endangered species or mass deforestations.
 
War Lord said:
The Liberal plan wasn't applicable by everybody, but had to be paid for by everybody. The Liberal plan only allowed a day care that's only open from 7 am to 6 pm and in an urban setting so somebody living out in the country or working shift work couldn't take advantage of it and were still stucking finding their own alternatives, yet still paying for it.

$100 bucks may not mean much, but at least everybody who has children can qualify. Which should teach you something about social spending. That being it only works best if a few people need it. Once the masses start to take advantage of it, it automatically becomes either less affordable or less service must be provided.

I think it's you who should learn something about social spending. Let's take this drop in the GST for example. That 2% will barely be noticed by the common person but, 2% less money going to the government means a huge cut in social programs. Harper doesn't care about people. He cares about Alberta, Money and Oil.
 
FlameHead said:
I think it's you who should learn something about social spending. Let's take this drop in the GST for example. That 2% will barely be noticed by the common person but, 2% less money going to the government means a huge cut in social programs. Harper doesn't care about people. He cares about Alberta, Money and Oil.

Poorer people typically spend all of their income, so the cut in GST means that they really get to keep more of their money. A cut in income taxes is less beneficial for the poor because people don't pay taxes on the first $8,700 (last amount I checked) and so if a person is earning $15,000, he'd only save on the $6,300 that he was paying taxes on and 2% on that is only $126. Whereas a cut on the GST on convenience food, transit passes, gasoline, and all other taxable merchandise can really add up over time.
 
War Lord said:
Show me the mass animal deaths of endangered species or mass deforestations.

The Wooping Crane

In 1944, there were only 21 Whooping Cranes left in the world. Nonetheless, this species is maintaining its precarious hold on existence, thanks to the help of many Whooping Crane enthusiasts.

Most of this crane's breeding habitat has been destroyed. The birds used to nest along a band stretching from central Illinois northwest through Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota, Manitoba and Saskatchewan into east-central Alberta. Today, their breeding range is six small areas in the Wood Buffalo National Park that total 400 square kilometers, not very much land considering that each breeding pair requires a territory of approximately five square kilometers.

In the fall, after a long migration during which the birds have run a gauntlet of power lines, urban centres, and hunters who shoot by mistake, whoopers arrive at the Aransas National Wildlife Refuge in Texas where their over-wintering territory has also been greatly diminished and threatened by pollution and oil spills.

In the early 1940s, the National Audubon Society decided to attempt to save the Whooping Crane from extinction. Since then, federal, provincial, state and private agencies have publicized the plight of the whooper and tried to protect it during migration as well as on its wintering and breeding grounds.

The Canada-United States recovery team manages the Whooping crane Recovery Strategy, which includes captive breeding and the reintroduction of young birds into the wild. In spring 2003, there were about 405 wild and captive birds including 185 wild birds of the original wild flock that breeds in Wood Buffalo National Park. Efforts are also underway to establish additional wild populations that do not yet breed or over winter.


The Peregrine Falcon

The Peregrine Falcon is a magnificent bird of prey that was dramatically affected by persistent pesticides, particularly DDT, which causes eggshell thinning. In the second half of the twentieth century, Peregrine Falcon numbers declined rapidly; the bird almost disappeared from parts of Canada and the United States. Now, thanks to conservation efforts, in particular the reduced use of persistent pesticides and the reintroduction of captive-bred young, the Peregrine Falcon is making a comeback in North America.

The subspecies at greatest risk, the anatum Peregrine Falcon, was bred in captivity. More than 1 600 birds were raised at a facility in Wainwright, Alberta, operated by the Canadian Wildlife Service. Birds from this breeding facility were released into the wild across southern Canada by provincial and territorial governments, federal agencies and public interest organizations. Thanks to the success of the program, captive breeding is no longer necessary, and the facility closed in 1996. In 1999, with more the 320 pairs breeding in the wild in Canada, COSEWIC moved the subspecies from the endangered to the threatened category to reflect the improved status of the birds. In 2000, it was estimated that close to 600 pairs of anatum Peregrine Falcon were breeding in Canada. The other two subspecies of the Peregrine Falcon that breed in North America - pealei on the West coast and tundrius in the Arctic - are classified as species of special concern.


The Swift Fox

The Swift Fox is a small, agile mammal, about the size of a house cat, that was common on Canada's southern Prairies in the nineteenth century. In 1978, the Swift Fox was designated as an extirpated species. Its habitat had been lost to farmland, and it had been the unintended victim of trapping and poisoning campaigns aimed at other animals such as coyotes, wolves and ground squirrels.

Canadian specialists are working closely with specialists in the United States to increase swift fox numbers. Foxes obtained from the United States have been released directly into the wild or bred in captivity to produce offspring that then have been released. Releases have occured in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

This graceful little animal is now re-established in part of its former territory in Canada. In 1999, COSEWIC re-classified the swift fox from the extirpated to endangered. In 2000-2001, surveys were conducted and about 600 swift foxes were counted in the wild in this country.


The Piping Plover

The Piping Plover is a small migratory shorebird, which breeds only in North America and can be found nesting on ocean beaches, lakeshores, and river sandbars. Its main nesting range is along the Atlantic coast from southwestern Newfoundland and Labrador to South Carolina, and from the Prairie provinces and northwestern Ontario to Colorado. The species has been extirpated as a breeding species from the Canadian Great Lakes, but small numbers nest in Michigan and Wisconsin.

The Piping Plover went into a serious population decline at the turn of the twentieth century because of hunting. It recovered significantly following the implementation of the Migratory Birds Convention between Canada and the United States in 1916. However, threats to the Piping Plover continue. They include predation, human disturbance on beaches used for nesting, and habitat loss. An example of the latter is reduced widths of reservoir beaches as a result of water management. A recovery strategy has been prepared and, in 2001, American and Canadian biologists and volunteers conducted a census on the plover's known breeding and wintering ranges, finding a total nesting population o f 1,454 birds in Canada and 5,945 in the world. Slightly more than 40 percent of the estimated North American breeding population was counted during the wintering range surveys. This low percentage reflects an incomplete census coverage of the known wintering grounds and has also led to speculation that there may be wintering sites that have not yet been located. Recovery activities include fencing out cattle, which can disturb nesting beaches, use of exclosures to protect plover eggs from predators, guardianship programs to reduce the negative effects of all-terrain vehicles and beachgoers on breeding success, controlling access to certain breeding areas, and using different approaches to water management.


And a bit closer to your home...

In Alberta, the cumulative effect of farming, oil & gas development, mining, forestry and the establishment of our towns and roadways has put as many as 55 percent of Alberta species at risk.

According to the Alberta Government Fish & Wildlife Branch:

  • 20 species of Alberta fish and wildlife are in serious risk of dying out in our province.
  • 2 species are already gone.
  • Only 55 per cent of the 535 species found in Alberta are considered healthy.

And, to top it all off, the Alberta Government is now leading a fight against Federal Endangered Species Legislation. :rolleyes:


And that's just the tip of it... less than 5 minutes on a Google search. And there's plenty more pollution hazards in Canada; endangered wetlands, tar pools, etc...

Again, if you think the state of environmental affairs in Canada are pristine, then you're a fool.
 
War Lord said:
The Liberal plan wasn't applicable by everybody, but had to be paid for by everybody. The Liberal plan only allowed a day care that's only open from 7 am to 6 pm and in an urban setting so somebody living out in the country or working shift work couldn't take advantage of it and were still stucking finding their own alternatives, yet still paying for it.

$100 bucks may not mean much, but at least everybody who has children can qualify. Which should teach you something about social spending. That being it only works best if a few people need it. Once the masses start to take advantage of it, it automatically becomes either less affordable or less service must be provided.

Who said the Liberal Plan was the best? I certainly didn't. But Harper's plan stinks of laziness and poor foresight.

The Canadian Government needs to come up with a proper daycare plan to help families. I don't care which party comes up with it... just do it.
 
Themanofbat said:
The Wooping Crane

In 1944, there were only 21 Whooping Cranes left in the world. Nonetheless, this species is maintaining its precarious hold on existence, thanks to the help of many Whooping Crane enthusiasts.

Most of this crane's breeding habitat has been destroyed. The birds used to nest along a band stretching from central Illinois northwest through Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota, Manitoba and Saskatchewan into east-central Alberta. Today, their breeding range is six small areas in the Wood Buffalo National Park that total 400 square kilometers, not very much land considering that each breeding pair requires a territory of approximately five square kilometers.

In the fall, after a long migration during which the birds have run a gauntlet of power lines, urban centres, and hunters who shoot by mistake, whoopers arrive at the Aransas National Wildlife Refuge in Texas where their over-wintering territory has also been greatly diminished and threatened by pollution and oil spills.

In the early 1940s, the National Audubon Society decided to attempt to save the Whooping Crane from extinction. Since then, federal, provincial, state and private agencies have publicized the plight of the whooper and tried to protect it during migration as well as on its wintering and breeding grounds.

The Canada-United States recovery team manages the Whooping crane Recovery Strategy, which includes captive breeding and the reintroduction of young birds into the wild. In spring 2003, there were about 405 wild and captive birds including 185 wild birds of the original wild flock that breeds in Wood Buffalo National Park. Efforts are also underway to establish additional wild populations that do not yet breed or over winter.


The Peregrine Falcon

The Peregrine Falcon is a magnificent bird of prey that was dramatically affected by persistent pesticides, particularly DDT, which causes eggshell thinning. In the second half of the twentieth century, Peregrine Falcon numbers declined rapidly; the bird almost disappeared from parts of Canada and the United States. Now, thanks to conservation efforts, in particular the reduced use of persistent pesticides and the reintroduction of captive-bred young, the Peregrine Falcon is making a comeback in North America.

The subspecies at greatest risk, the anatum Peregrine Falcon, was bred in captivity. More than 1 600 birds were raised at a facility in Wainwright, Alberta, operated by the Canadian Wildlife Service. Birds from this breeding facility were released into the wild across southern Canada by provincial and territorial governments, federal agencies and public interest organizations. Thanks to the success of the program, captive breeding is no longer necessary, and the facility closed in 1996. In 1999, with more the 320 pairs breeding in the wild in Canada, COSEWIC moved the subspecies from the endangered to the threatened category to reflect the improved status of the birds. In 2000, it was estimated that close to 600 pairs of anatum Peregrine Falcon were breeding in Canada. The other two subspecies of the Peregrine Falcon that breed in North America - pealei on the West coast and tundrius in the Arctic - are classified as species of special concern.


The Swift Fox

The Swift Fox is a small, agile mammal, about the size of a house cat, that was common on Canada's southern Prairies in the nineteenth century. In 1978, the Swift Fox was designated as an extirpated species. Its habitat had been lost to farmland, and it had been the unintended victim of trapping and poisoning campaigns aimed at other animals such as coyotes, wolves and ground squirrels.

Canadian specialists are working closely with specialists in the United States to increase swift fox numbers. Foxes obtained from the United States have been released directly into the wild or bred in captivity to produce offspring that then have been released. Releases have occured in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

This graceful little animal is now re-established in part of its former territory in Canada. In 1999, COSEWIC re-classified the swift fox from the extirpated to endangered. In 2000-2001, surveys were conducted and about 600 swift foxes were counted in the wild in this country.


The Piping Plover

The Piping Plover is a small migratory shorebird, which breeds only in North America and can be found nesting on ocean beaches, lakeshores, and river sandbars. Its main nesting range is along the Atlantic coast from southwestern Newfoundland and Labrador to South Carolina, and from the Prairie provinces and northwestern Ontario to Colorado. The species has been extirpated as a breeding species from the Canadian Great Lakes, but small numbers nest in Michigan and Wisconsin.

The Piping Plover went into a serious population decline at the turn of the twentieth century because of hunting. It recovered significantly following the implementation of the Migratory Birds Convention between Canada and the United States in 1916. However, threats to the Piping Plover continue. They include predation, human disturbance on beaches used for nesting, and habitat loss. An example of the latter is reduced widths of reservoir beaches as a result of water management. A recovery strategy has been prepared and, in 2001, American and Canadian biologists and volunteers conducted a census on the plover's known breeding and wintering ranges, finding a total nesting population o f 1,454 birds in Canada and 5,945 in the world. Slightly more than 40 percent of the estimated North American breeding population was counted during the wintering range surveys. This low percentage reflects an incomplete census coverage of the known wintering grounds and has also led to speculation that there may be wintering sites that have not yet been located. Recovery activities include fencing out cattle, which can disturb nesting beaches, use of exclosures to protect plover eggs from predators, guardianship programs to reduce the negative effects of all-terrain vehicles and beachgoers on breeding success, controlling access to certain breeding areas, and using different approaches to water management.


And a bit closer to your home...

In Alberta, the cumulative effect of farming, oil & gas development, mining, forestry and the establishment of our towns and roadways has put as many as 55 percent of Alberta species at risk.

According to the Alberta Government Fish & Wildlife Branch:

  • 20 species of Alberta fish and wildlife are in serious risk of dying out in our province.
  • 2 species are already gone.
  • Only 55 per cent of the 535 species found in Alberta are considered healthy.

And, to top it all off, the Alberta Government is now leading a fight against Federal Endangered Species Legislation. :rolleyes:


And that's just the tip of it... less than 5 minutes on a Google search. And there's plenty more pollution hazards in Canada; endangered wetlands, tar pools, etc...

Again, if you think the state of environmental affairs in Canada are pristine, then you're a fool.

After all that, they all have one thing in common, they are recovering. This means that they aren't going extinct, which means they are probably going to be fine.

Alberta can protect it's own environment just fine, probably better than the most well intentioned feds because it's closer to home. Remember, the feds tried to protect the cod on behalf of the Maritimes and you know how well that worked out. The reason why Alberta is fighting it is because it's a federal intrusion on provincial territory and should be fought.

Canada's environment is the best in the world and it will stay that way. It's better than Europes, South America's, Africa's or anywhere.
 
Albertans are so out of touch with the rest of Canada. They're blinded by oil (much like Newfoundland and Labrador is becomming) and because of the money it's raking it, they think it's good.
 
FlameHead said:
Albertans are so out of touch with the rest of Canada. They're blinded by oil (much like Newfoundland and Labrador is becomming) and because of the money it's raking it, they think it's good.

It's not so much about oil. Albertans were well on the way to getting of debt when oil was at $10 a barrel. It's the conservatism and hard work that has allowed oil to be where it is. You could remove oil as a factor totally and Albertans would still be moving ahead of the rest of Canada, though it helps.
 
War Lord, you live in such a fantasy world. You really do.
 
FlameHead said:
War Lord, you live in such a fantasy world. You really do.

My fantasy world seems to work just fine then.
 

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