HD Players/TV's/DVD's are a scam. Don't be fooled.

[stormchaser]

99.9% of films are shot using Film..this is cell, plastic form..comes in all sizes like, 8mm, 16mm, 35mm. etc. it's like the film you used to use in your 35mm cameras back in the days. and they use light to form the shapes.

These movies are filmed using panavision, Fuji/Kodak film and in no way are capable of being viewed in High Definition. what you are seeing is a film, put into a disk, passed off as being in HD. it's a scam. you can't view something that was originally shot in film in HD.

In order to watch a film in HD, you would need an HD TV, and HD DVD and a film shot entirely in HD. Using a sony HD camera. These cameras use pixels in digital form. while film doesn't necessarily use pixels per say, it's more cellular..more organic..therefore you cannot turn a film into a digital form. the only film that was shot entirely in HD was called Star Wars Revenge of the Sith, In that case, you can view the DVD as it was originally shot on location.

However, if your local channel uses High Definition Digital cameras to shoot their shows or news programs, then you are getting the true combination of colors and shapes on your tv. But most news channels are shot using DV tapes..Digital Video.

Hope this helps. I know it's very technical, but it's true.

 

[Ghostvirus]

I am glad that I am not the only one that isn't fooled.

 

[The Evolutionist]

Not entirely sure if this is true or not ( I spend too much time worrying about what goes on in front of the camera), but if it is, I'm glad I have an HD TV for gaming only...

 

[Manic]

I remember looking at a shelf at a store full of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray movies... movies made in the 1970s. I remember thinking there was no way the first Rocky movie's picture quality can be improved that damn much. I can't even wrap my head around the types of "benefits" one would get from buying Superman The Movie on Blu-Ray.

And I swear, if I see an old black/white movie released in HD or BR, I'm going to slap someone. DVDs got rid of the graininess of VHS. What more can they possibly do to Casablanca?

 

[Ice-man]

very true.

the whole point with hd-dvd or blu ray is to edit the original dvd and upscale abit, by slightly enhance the picture quality, and enhancing the sound, thats basically it.

like you said, if we wana see movies in hd, than they first would need to be filmed in hd.

which imo i think will happen soon, i mean why else mass produce hd video cameras, i give it within 20 years or so nefore all movie theators will most likly be playing all movies in high deff.

 

[stormchaser]

I remember looking at a shelf at a store full of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray movies... movies made in the 1970s. I remember thinking there was no way the first Rocky movie's picture quality can be improved that damn much. I can't even wrap my head around the types of "benefits" one would get from buying Superman The Movie on Blu-Ray.

And I swear, if I see an old black/white movie released in HD or BR, I'm going to slap someone. DVDs got rid of the graininess of VHS. What more can they possibly do to Casablanca?

Right. all they did with those old movies are "remaster" them..they cleaned the original film, downloaded it into a computer, frame by frame and had it digitally restored..photoshoped and other tricks of the media. Then record it into a digital video tape/dvd file, so that's why they say it's digital. but you will never be able to watch the Superman Richard Donner film in HD..because it was never shot on HD..yet there are tons of those blue ray DVD's out there claiming to be HD. it's a scam..what's even worst? now they are coming out with HD radio.


I started this thread, because I always seem to argue this matter with coworkers and salesman at electronic stores.

 

[Ice-man]

how the hell do u have hd radio? enhanced ****in sounds, wtf.

 

[Ghostvirus]

very true.

the whole point with hd-dvd or blu ray is to edit the original dvd and upscale abit, by slightly enhance the picture quality, and enhancing the sound, thats basically it.

like you said, if we wana see movies in hd, than they first would need to be filmed in hd.

which imo i think will happen soon, i mean why else mass produce hd video cameras, i give it within 20 years or so nefore all movie theators will most likly be playing all movies in high deff.

I'll take it up a notch, & say there won't be movie theatres in 20 years. I am serisously starting to think the movie industry is trying to get rid of theatres.

I mean how many have they released the crap version in the theatre, then come out with the uncut version on DVD? They are trying to make theatres look less appealing, so that someday straight to video doesn't sound bad.

 

[Kyalesyin]

Pretty clever scam though, all things considered.

 

[black_dust]

HD tvs are a joke anyway, All tvs are coming out with HD yet if you watch a normal station that isnt HD enabled the quilty of the picture is WORSE than if you watched it on a bog standard tv, wheres the reason in that!?

 

[SuperFerret]

HD is like the emperor's new clothes to me. I don't see the difference, I just don't.

 

[Vilya]

If i'm not wrong, 35mm film has much more resolution than DVD so old movies converted to HD would still have better picture than DVD.

 

[BatMatt]

how the hell do u have hd radio? enhanced ****in sounds, wtf.

it's suppose to have CD like quality, I doubt it'll ever pick up

 

[Kyalesyin]

I find that vinyl sounds better than a CD in a lot of cases. Less hiss

 

[Manic]

HD tvs are a joke anyway, All tvs are coming out with HD yet if you watch a normal station that isnt HD enabled the quilty of the picture is WORSE than if you watched it on a bog standard tv, wheres the reason in that!?

I heard about that. Apparently, if you have an HD-TV and you're watching a TV show that isn't broadcast in HD, it's like watching an old VHS tape left in the back of your car during the summer. Warped and worse than ever before.

 

[The Man Of 16]

Youre wrong. Films have ALWAYS been filmed in "HD", the only thing thats changed in the past few years are the mediums in which they convert the movies to.

VHS is capable of 640x480 pixels
Regular CD's have 700 MB of storage.
Single Layer DVD's have 4.7 GB (720 x 480 pixels)
Dual Layer DVD's have 9.1 GB (720 x 480 pixels)
Single Layer Blu-Ray (which is HD) has 25 GB of storage (1280x720 pixels)
and Dual Layer Blu-Ray (also HD) has 50 GB of storage (1920x1080 pixels)

FILMS, are converted to 3656 x 2664 pixels (the max resolution)

The maximum resolution a standard TV and a VHS tape can hold is 640x480 pixels. That means they have to scale the image down significantly, and thats where you lose quality. Many of you are wondering how theyre making old movies in HD.

They were always filmed in 3656 x 2664 pixels. NOW, theyre just not scaling the image down as much, as Blu-ray resolution is 1920 x 1080. The reason Blu-ray cant be higher quality than that is because it is only capable of holding 50 GB of data.

A blind person with any knowledge of physics could tell you that youre wrong, and that wavelengths of light, how monitors use pixels, and what the human eye experiences determines the "quality" of the film.

 

[Jerry!]

I'm just glad I haven't broken down and bought a HD TV. If I were to buy one it would only be for gaming. But that would be like one of those cheap Vizio ones. Seriously, one guy I know has like a huge 60 in screen and has HD and every channel that isn't broadcast in HD looks worse than my regular 30 in TV. I laugh at him a lot.

 

[black_dust]

I heard about that. Apparently, if you have an HD-TV and you're watching a TV show that isn't broadcast in HD, it's like watching an old VHS tape left in the back of your car during the summer. Warped and worse than ever before.

Yup, i saw a tv show on one, and a logo that was ment to be circular was blocky as hell and the lines around people were the same. Im trying my best to hold off getting one until EVERYTHING is put out in HD that way i can pay for something i will use!

 

[stormchaser]

Youre wrong. Films have ALWAYS been filmed in "HD", the only thing thats changed in the past few years are the mediums in which they convert the movies to.

VHS is capable of 640x480 pixels
Regular CD's have 700 MB of storage.
Single Layer DVD's have 4.7 GB (720 x 480 pixels)
Dual Layer DVD's have 9.1 GB (720 x 480 pixels)
Single Layer Blu-Ray (which is HD) has 25 GB of storage (1280x720 pixels)
and Dual Layer Blu-Ray (also HD) has 50 GB of storage (1920x1080 pixels)

FILMS, are converted to 3656 x 2664 pixels (the max resolution)

The maximum resolution a standard TV and a VHS tape can hold is 640x480 pixels. That means they have to scale the image down significantly, and thats where you lose quality. Many of you are wondering how theyre making old movies in HD.

They were always filmed in 3656 x 2664 pixels. NOW, theyre just not scaling the image down as much, as Blu-ray resolution is 1920 x 1080. The reason Blu-ray cant be higher quality than that is because it is only capable of holding 50 GB of data.

A blind person with any knowledge of physics could tell you that youre wrong, and that wavelengths of light, how monitors use pixels, and what the human eye experiences determines the "quality" of the film.

You need to take film courses and educate yourself. film does not have pixels, it's cellulloid..that's a modern term used in modern digital video. You can't count the numbder of dots in film..

read more about film here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film

 

[amazingdm]

we have a 50" plasma HDTV
Non-HD programming does look ****ty but we've gotten used to it
It looks worse if you tell your cable box to output 480p when the show is broadcast in 480i

 

[bulok]

My wife and I always laugh when we see the ads for Blu-Ray, I mean it's DVD. how much more "HD" can you get? it is a ridiculous scam pandering to the technophiles out there who just have to have the latest technology. It's very sad.

 

[Sandman138]

Actually, the point of HD is that the resolution of a 35mm film, once converted to video, is, as man of 16 said, 3656 x 2664 pixels, film itself doesn't have pixles, but the amount of definition between the silver hallides is roughly equivelent. The point I'm making here is that the resolution of film is far beyond what even HD can offer. HDDV is about trying to get digital video's resolution to match film's. It doesn't matter if the film was shot on 35mm, you'll still need an HD TV to blow it up to that size and not degrade the image.

 

[Sandman138]

My wife and I always laugh when we see the ads for Blu-Ray, I mean it's DVD. how much more "HD" can you get? it is a ridiculous scam pandering to the technophiles out there who just have to have the latest technology. It's very sad.

DVD's output video at 480 lines of resolution, HDDVD and Blu-Ray output at 1080 lines of resolution. That doesn't matter much to the average consumer, but there are those of us who want as much definition in the image as possible.

 

[Manic]

Thing is, I've talked to people who don't see much difference between DVDs and HD-DVDs, and they only see the difference in Blu-Rays with newer films. There are some fairly old movies I've seen on VHS that barely look any better on DVD. I find it hard to look forward to Blazing Saddles eventually coming out on Blu-Ray.

Speaking of old movies, certain old movies are just coming out on DVD. Just the other day, I was getting ready to buy a huge Mel Brooks movie boxset. Then I thought to myself, "Do I want to drop $80 on something that will probably come out on Blu-Ray 5 years from now, when Sony will no doubt stop making Blu-Ray players backward compatible with DVDs?"

The DVD hasn't been a standard home video format for 10 years, and they're already coming up with replacements, where the difference can only be seen on HDTVs, which is going to make a good number of TV shows look like crap. Why should I "get used" to non-HD networks and channels looking worse on an HDTV than they ever did on analog? That's ridiculous.

 

[The Man Of 16]

You need to take film courses and educate yourself. film does not have pixels, it's cellulloid..that's a modern term used in modern digital video. You can't count the numbder of dots in film..

read more about film here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film

Last time I checked, shows were broadcasted digitally.

Hey look! The electronic-signal comes through a wire, oh that right because its digital.

Again, a blind person could tell you.