I know how to keep Magneto's Holocaust origin and under 60

[fan4stic]

This is a way to keep the character ingrained in the universe that's been built already and have there be minor changes to the character:

So, Magneto was an up and coming mutant supremacy advocate before mutants were exposed. He had big plans to reveal mutant kind and make society revere them, on a large scale. In the 80's. But S.H.E.I.L.D. stopped him.

He was captured by Hank and Janet Pym and they locked him up in a secret prison made up of his own magnetic field.

Xavier was much more akin of seeing him as a mentor figure, until he found him to be too extreme and left his Brotherhood.

Now mutants are being exposed. Due to the release of a mutant virus upon the populous, by Mister Sinister, the powers of mutants have become haywire, revealing them and society has begun to feel threatened. There's been attacks, violence and prejudice against mutants and talks of taking blood from everyone to see whose mutant and who isn't.

There's talks among the underground mutant society of the Morlocks, of Magneto, like a legend, in a desire to fight back against this.

This leads to a movie B-plot where a group of mutants track down the facility holding Magneto and release him from his prison, finding him to be as young as the day he was locked up.

One thought for a Magneto I had was:
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau

Or as a more off the wall choice:
Alan Tudyk

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The only real logical way to keep the Holocaust origin for the MCU Magneto is to tie it to Captain America and Hydra. Maybe Magneto got shifted off to the Hydra labs by the Nazis once she started to show signs of having powers and had experiments performed on him (maybe why his aging would be slowed) to try and turn him into a weapon. Captain America frees him during one of his Hydra raids during WWII.

 

[LaughterLives]

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau is a fine actor but he's no Magneto.
He would've made a better Adult Quicksilver or Longshot.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The only real logical way to keep the Holocaust origin for the MCU Magneto is to tie it to Captain America and Hydra. Maybe Magneto got shifted off to the Hydra labs by the Nazis once she started to show signs of having powers and had experiments performed on him (maybe why his aging would be slowed) to try and turn him into a weapon. Captain America frees him during one of his Hydra raids during WWII.

Agreed. This would be the only way.

 

[Boom]

Put me in the camp that thinks Magneto's backstory should be updated to something more contemporary.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Put me in the camp

odd choice of words for a topic like that

 

[Boom]

odd choice of words for a topic like that

Oh wow.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Oh wow.

yeah, you might want to rephrase that.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Put me in the camp that thinks Magneto's backstory should be updated to something more contemporary.

I'm open to it being updated, for sure. I'm just saying if they stick with the Holocaust backstory, using Hydra experimentation to de-age him a little is the only way.

 

[Raiden]

I think MCU should make a First Class-esque story to introduce the X-Men but set it at modern times. There's no way to have the original Holocaust origin because it's impossible to explain why the mutants were never mentioned in the MCU, not even back in WW2 from CA: TFA. I guess they can say that Xavier has been using Cerebro to keep the mutants hidden, but Magneto won't be willing to go along with Xavier's plan to remain incognito. I'm sure Feige already has a plan but has to wait until the final approval of the deal to set it in motion.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I think MCU should make a First Class-esque story to introduce the X-Men but set it at modern times. There's no way to have the original Holocaust origin because it's impossible to explain why the mutants were never mentioned in the MCU, not even back in WW2 from CA: TFA. I guess they can say that Xavier has been using Cerebro to keep the mutants hidden, but Magneto won't be willing to go along with Xavier's plan to remain incognito. I'm sure Feige already has a plan but has to wait until the final approval of the deal to set it in motion.

Actually, we already know there are 'gifted' people in the MCU without explanation where the 'gifts' come from. Season 1 of AoS showed powered characters, that weren't sure where their powers came from.

The mutant gene needs modern technology to be detected and it probably needs some kind of knowledge about it to even know what to look for in the genome. so it is not unlikely that genetic mutation as source for the powers of those few 'gifted' that are known might have not been considered by experts and researchers until recently.

 

[LaughterLives]

yeah, you might want to rephrase that.

hahaha! NAh! he said it right the first time.

 

[fan4stic]

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau is a fine actor but he's no Magneto.
He would've made a better Adult Quicksilver or Longshot.

Alan Tudyk? James Callis? Denzel Washington?

 

[LaughterLives]

Alan wouldn't be my first choice but I think he's a totally underrated actor who can do anything. He's been my top pick for The Riddler for a long time.

I've been on the Denzel train for months since Silvermoth put the idea in my head on an older thread. However, I kinda only want this if they make Morgan Freeman or Forest Whitaker play Xavier.

I've never seen Callis act so I have no opinion on what kinda presence he has. Based on looks doh, he looks perfect for Jason Wyngarde aka Mastermind

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I like the Liam Neeson choice for Magneto.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Magneto's backstory should be updated to something more contemporary.

This

 

[CaptainWagner]

The simplest way to avoid confusing the audience is to just update his origin. Nightmarish genocides didn't stop with the Holocaust, sadly. If anything, they got worse because in so many cases the outside world just didn't care. Which I feel adds a lot to Magento's character. My pick:

Navid Negahban

 

[Spider-Fan83]

bear with me on this one... but, I kinda had this idea that would change his back story as well as explain the absents of mutants up to this point in the MCU... giving us both a well established adult team of X-men as well as a first class-ish origin story with teenage versions of the team

what about doing a twist on a DOFP type story, where the whole team comes back in time?

in the present day setting have a up coming event where a Mutant is going to reveal his powers to the world (I was almost think it could be a young magneto himself, like a late teen/early 20's version of him) which would causes a chain of events that leads to mutants being tracked down and put in camps... changing Magnetos back story to being in a mutant prison camp in the future/alternate timeline instead of during the Holocaust... now the future setting that they travel back from is like 30 years into the future, where Magneto is now an adult and has since escaped the camps.

the X-men lead by Xavier (a freedom fighter in the future who has helped free and/or keep mutant out of the camps) which make up the X-men (I'd say go with origin 5) who are all in their 40's and have all basically grown up together under Xavier tutelage, an are a fully developed team (in futuristic comic book accurate costumes)

they find a means of time-travel (actual time-travel not just mind transference) and try to go back to stop the first Mutant from revealing himself in the present (in hope to create a better future for Mutants)

mean while Magneto discovers their plan, an also brings back his Brotherhood of Mutants back in time to present day, to change the event's of history (but in hopes of changing it in his own version of the future, turning the tides against humans)

the event is eventually stopped{for now} (if it was in fact a young Magneto maybe he does get locked up in a plastic prison) which ironically basically seals his fate as a villain in the future

in the end both older Xavier and Magneto of the future stay behind in present (Xavier to insure an event like this doesn't happen again) (Magneto to still try to change the world to his ways) and both start to find and recruit teenagers that they know are Mutants in the future (the rest of the x-men and brotherhood return to see what the future became... and basically rest of the movies from there play out more like X-Men: Evolution being a race between Xavier and Magneto to track down and recruit young mutants to their causes

since their from the future maybe this time "Cerebro" is some type of super computer, they stole from the government, that is a complete database list of all known Mutants, so they know actually who is going to be a mutant allowing them to recruit them before their powers even manifest

 

[Deck Rickard]

Curious, how do they explain this in the comics? I haven't read X-Men in a long time but is Magneto's Holocaust origin still intact? And if so, how do they explain it in modern day stories? Has he just aged slowly?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Curious, how do they explain this in the comics? I haven't read X-Men in a long time but is Magneto's Holocaust origin still intact? And if so, how do they explain it in modern day stories? Has he just aged slowly?

The Marvel time doesn't work like our normal time. First officially referenced in Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z #2, the term "Sliding Timescale" is an attempt to quantify the passage of time in the Earth-616 universe and other similar universes as a means of compressing time so that characters do not prematurely age. While not considered when Marvel Comics first began publishing, it became apparent that something needed to be done to logically explain the time. This practice began in the late 1970s and early 1980s. A full definition and explanation was made in 2007 in the aforementioned Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z #2. The Sliding Timescale is used to keep track of the time that has passed during a period that is now coined as the Modern Age which covers events from Fantastic Four #1 to current publications.

That's how it works, basically:
In 2008, Marvel had officially stated that for every four to five years of real time publications, one year of Marvel time had passed on Earth-616 and other time-sensitive realities. Based on a 4:1 radio model, the Modern Age of Heroes has been on going for about fourteen years based on the following model:
Year 01: Nov 1961-Oct 1965
Year 02: Nov 1965-Oct 1969
Year 03: Nov 1969-Oct 1973
Year 04: Nov 1973-Oct 1977
Year 05: Nov 1977-Oct 1981
Year 06: Nov 1981-Oct 1985
Year 07: Nov 1985-Oct 1989
Year 08: Nov 1989-Oct 1993
Year 09: Nov 1993-Oct 1997
Year 10: Nov 1997-Oct 2001
Year 11: Nov 2001-Oct 2005
Year 12: Nov 2005-Oct 2009
Year 13: Nov 2009-Oct 2013
Year 14: Nov 2013-Oct 2017
Year 15: Nov 2017-Oct 2021
Year 16: Nov 2021-Oct 2025
Year 17: Nov 2025-Oct 2029


To clarify: While a year of Marvel time is a rough count of 365 days to a year, this passage of "one year" does not follow the Gregorian calendar from January 1 to December 31, but a full year from the date of the space flight that created the Fantastic Four. The specific calendar date the Fantastic Four went on their fated space flight has remained vague. Although one source states it happened in the summer.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I see. Thanks for that. It’s... a little confusing but it makes sense why they did it.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Time to step in with the show that actually tries to connect the dots in the extended MCU, the Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.

The only real logical way to keep the Holocaust origin for the MCU Magneto is to tie it to Captain America and Hydra. Maybe Magneto got shifted off to the Hydra labs by the Nazis once she started to show signs of having powers and had experiments performed on him (maybe why his aging would be slowed) to try and turn him into a weapon. Captain America frees him during one of his Hydra raids during WWII.

From AOS we know Hydra had the technology to ****** aging as used by Doctor Whitehall using biological material from the Inhuman Jaiying. Let's just say that since discovery requires experimentation and the Nazis along with the Nazi wing of Hydra has been known to experiment on people. Someone had to be first before Dr. Whitehall used it on himself to extend his life.

bear with me on this one... but, I kinda had this idea that would change his back story as well as explain the absents of mutants up to this point in the MCU... giving us both a well established adult team of X-men as well as a first class-ish origin story with teenage versions of the team

what about doing a twist on a DOFP type story, where the whole team comes back in time?

in the present day setting have a up coming event where a Mutant is going to reveal his powers to the world (I was almost think it could be a young magneto himself, like a late teen/early 20's version of him) which would causes a chain of events that leads to mutants being tracked down and put in camps... changing Magnetos back story to being in a mutant prison camp in the future/alternate timeline instead of during the Holocaust... now the future setting that they travel back from is like 30 years into the future, where Magneto is now an adult and has since escaped the camps.

the X-men lead by Xavier (a freedom fighter in the future who has helped free and/or keep mutant out of the camps) which make up the X-men (I'd say go with origin 5) who are all in their 40's and have all basically grown up together under Xavier tutelage, and are a fully developed team (in futuristic comic book accurate costumes)

they find a means of time-travel (actual time-travel not just mind transference) and try to go back to stop the first Mutant from revealing himself in the present (in hope to create a better future for Mutants)

mean while Magneto discovers their plan, an also brings back his Brotherhood of Mutants back in time to present day, to change the event's of history (but in hopes of changing it in his own version of the future, turning the tides against humans)

the event is eventually stopped{for now} (if it was in fact a young Magneto maybe he does get locked up in a plastic prison) which ironically basically seals his fate as a villain in the future

in the end both older Xavier and Magneto of the future stay behind in present (Xavier to insure an event like this does happen again) (Magneto to still try to change the world to his ways) and both start to find and recruit teenages that they know are Mutants in the future (the rest of the x-men and brotherhood return to see what the future became... and basically rest of the movies from there play out more like X-Men: Evolution being a race between Xavier and Magneto to track down and recruit young mutants to their causes

since their from the future maybe this time "Cerebro" is some type of super computer, they stole from the government, that is a complete database list of all known Mutants, so they know actually who is going to be a mutant allowing them to recruit them before their powers even manifest

From the current season of AOS a white monolith was used to send our heroes forward in time. Presumably before the end of the year they will show a way back in time.

Still when you get down to it everything that the mutants will face the Inhumans already have. From being government agents to being hunted by government agencies and vigilantes.

 

[ludovica]

bear with me on this one... but, I kinda had this idea that would change his back story as well as explain the absents of mutants up to this point in the MCU... giving us both a well established adult team of X-men as well as a first class-ish origin story with teenage versions of the team

what about doing a twist on a DOFP type story, where the whole team comes back in time?

Wow, I really like your idea, interesting and clever.
But.
I'd love it in a reboot extraneous to the MCU, as things look now though, I am beyond excited for the X-Men to come play with the rest of the heroes, so I'd go with a more traditional origin and leave time travel for later.
I mean, it would eventually cheapen Cable and Bishop. I also expect Deadpool's Cable to be incorporated in the canon.

Most of all, I'd let MCU Doom invent and introduce time travel to the narrative.

 

[Chris B]

I'm partial to the idea of just having Magneto age slower and saying that it is simply a by-product of his mutant ability and due to the Earth's magnetic field.

I wouldn't be opposed to updating his backstory to a more recent genocide though. I would be concerned about whether or not doing that would change the character too much, but I think it would be doable as long as they were smart about it.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

either hydra stuff, but that's kinda cheesy and too forced imo or:

just say he ages slower due to his powers. simple and effective

to me his holocaust origins are 100% non-negotiable to his origin and should never be removed, it helps giving him a compelling argument and making his argument not black-white good/evil and helps with recruiting to his cause