If I were hired to bring back Helena Wayne . . .

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Last week on another forum someone started a thread about the possibility of an eventual return of Helena Wayne (the Pre-Crisis Huntress, daughter of the Golden Age versions of Batman and Catwoman). On the spur of the moment I typed out the following summary of some ideas that have been kicking around in my head for awhile regarding how I would write that -- in the unlikely event that DC threw money at me and begged me to help them out!

Now I've just decided to share the same ideas with you and see if anyone loves or hates them on general principle. If this were announced as the basic premise of, let's say, a year-long miniseries set in "modern Gotham City," would you be inclined to buy the first couple of issues and give it a chance to impress you? Or would you turn around and run the other way, screaming, "Why can't they just let dead-and-erased characters stay dead-and-erased?" Or would you probably not take any real interest in it one way or the other?

Anyway, here's what I said last week:

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I'd love to see Helena Wayne come back. If DC twisted my arm, they might even persuade me to write it myself!

Long ago, I had some ideas in my head about a story I'd like to write about Helena Wayne just mysteriously popping up in the Modern DCU's Gotham City. In my version, the idea was that Bruce Wayne would currently be "missing, presumed dead," and Helena would try to claim control of a portion of his estate on the grounds that she was his long-lost daughter and his will said something about how a certain percentage of his fortune should be "evenly divided in equal shares" amongst any biological or adopted children he might leave behind when he died (the "adopted" part would mean Dick was in for an equal share, of course -- and also Tim, I think, from things I've heard recently).

Dick Grayson and Alfred Pennyworth would be very skeptical about her claim that she rated a share of the Wayne family fortune, but Helena would then pass a DNA test with flying colors!

Under the circumstances, they'd be unable to ask Bruce to confirm or deny that it was remotely possible that he might have a long-lost daughter in her twenties . . .

Near as I can recall, my idea was that Helena would understand she was no longer in her "native universe," but would refrain from explaining the real details of her origins to Dick and Alfred right away (even though she knew how trustworthy their Pre-Crisis Earth-2 counterparts had always been), for some reason that I never actually worked out in my head . . . but it would be a rational one.

(Hmmm. Maybe she felt there was reason to fear one or both of them, in Modern DCU, were suspects in the supposed death of Bruce Wayne? And meanwhile, they of course would feel exactly the same way about this "shameless fortune hunter" who had just popped up out of thin air right after Bruce "died"? That part just now occurred to me as I was typing this, but it makes a fair amount of sense. Go for a real "murder mystery" feel with everyone shooting paranoid glances at the wrong people for the wrong reasons . . .)

And that was as far as I got with the idea, a few years ago. I never did anything further with it. But -- if it comes as any comfort to anyone reading this -- I never intended to describe her "replacing" Helena Bertinelli. That particular Huntress simply would not be in the story -- to avoid confusing readers by having people say, "Helena, have you seen Helena anywhere around here lately?" -- but she'd still be alive and well somewhere else in the DCU; presumably working on another mission for Oracle or whatever. :)
 
Helena Bertinelli, Helena Kyle and Helena Wayne!? Lol

Would be almost as funny as Victor Zsasz, Victor Fries, Lady Vic, Vic Sage/Victor Szasz and Vicki Vale!

Or perhaps Jason Todd, Jason Blood and Jason Bard :woot:
 
They've already said they're not going to bring back Helena Kyle Wayne. Not only that, but they've also said that....Slam Bradley Sr. fathered Selina and not only that! But Slam Bradley Jr. fathered Selina's baby! Seriously messed up, aint it?
:wow: No way!?

So Selina has been having an incestuous relationship and now the baby's father is her uncle? :eek:

Did they really have to go there?
 
They've already said they're not going to bring back Helena Kyle Wayne. Not only that, but they've also said that....Slam Bradley Sr. fathered Selina and not only that! But Slam Bradley Jr. fathered Selina's baby! Seriously messed up, aint it?

I didn't know for sure if they had said they definitely weren't going to bring back Pre-Crisis Helena, but I do remember that they used to say they weren't going to bring back Jason Todd.

What's this about Slam Bradley (the original one) being Selina's biological father? I never heard that before. What's your source? Can you point to me a specific comic book issue that nailed that point down as part of DCU continuity? Or did you just hear a rumor somewhere?
 
Read the post Infinite Crisis Catwoman, Loren. Literally...Slam Bradley Sr. is Selina Kyle's Father. She did the deed with Slam Bradley Jr., who is her half-brother. The result was Helena Kyle.

You seem to be saying that "Infinite Crisis Catwoman" is the title of the post I need to read. That would be great if I could find it. Using the local search function to look for a post on this site with all three of those words in the title gets me nowhere.

Can you provide a link to the thread where you ran across this "information" about Catwoman committing incest with her own half-brother? As it now stands, I feel I have no reason to believe this incendiary claim until I can see some evidence that DC has told us that Slam Senior is secretly Selina's biological father! Knowing exactly which comic book story supposedly "revealed" this would be a good place to start. (The way I've heard things before is just that Slam Senior is one of Selina's old boyfriends, from long before she got involved with his son, Slam Junior.)

I'm perfectly willing to believe you are sincere about thinking it happened that way -- but I spend a fair amount of time on various comic book discussion forums, and if it had been made clear in the dialogue of DC's comics that Slam Bradley Sr. is Selina's daddy, I really think I would have seen at least a hundred different fans all screaming bloody murder over the incestuous ancestry of her baby by now. Instead, I haven't seen anybody saying a word about it until you mentioned in this thread!

So I strongly suspect that either you got confused somehow, or else you are simply repeating a wild rumor that began with some other fan who had gotten really mixed up regarding the details of the exact "relationships" between old Slam Senior, Selina Kyle, Slam's son Slam Junior (aka Sam), and Selina's baby daughter Helena. But if you can show me a link to that post you mentioned, I'll take a careful look to see if whoever started this rumor actually mentioned any good evidence for the idea that DC has officially made it clear that Slam Junior and Selina are children of the same father.
 
I read Catwoman monthly, and I've never read that Slam Sr. is her dad...

I think the confusion comes from the "father mystery" that went on for most of the year. Men possibly responsible for fatherhood INCLUDED: Bruce Wayne, Slam Sr., Sam, and others...
 
Damn, man. Chill out. It's just a comic book.

This is kind of funny. You were the one who dragged the subject of Selina's "incest" into the conversation. You said it was "seriously messed up." So I got the feeling you took it pretty seriously.

On the other hand, I thought I made it clear I didn't take this subject very seriously, because it sounded to me like just another wild rumor unless someone could offer evidence that Slam Senior is Selina's father!

But when I asked you to show me a link to the post you mentioned that got you started on this idea about Selina committing incest, you didn't answer my question -- instead, you suddenly back off and start saying "chill out" and "it's just a comic book" as if I'm the one taking all this way too seriously and you don't really care about the subject? :huh:
 

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