Julius Caesar

[Speedball]

So Iron Man is the Marvel Caesar?
So I guess that makes Captain America Pompey.
I guess Iron Man is the one that dies in the end of Civil War, and he is killed by some one he thinks of as an Ally

 

[The Cleric]

i highly doubt it.
but its weird that everyone blames iron man when he is not alone

 

[Harlekin]

I doubt he dies. However, he can still be betrayed (by say... Spidey?).

 

[Darthphere]

I wouldnt pay too much attention to those back stories in Frontline, theyre nice, but really irrelevant.

 

[Slim31]

I hope he does, he's the one that convinced Reed and that wife beater Pym. I wish it was Capt to kill him but we all know it won't happen

 

[Tropico]

You'd really want Cap to kill another hero for standing up for what he believes is right? Wow! That'd get the SHRA passed for sure! You're harsh!!!

 

[PWN3R]

I dunno, after all this settles over, Tony is going to be hated, it wouldnt surprise me if he were to be betrayed by his own or thought to be dead.


Of course thats just me speaking and half the time I dunno what Im saying.

 

[Speedball]

no, it would not be Cap, it would Spidey and other heroes, reflecting how Brutus and the Senate killed Caesar.
Then Spidey and those heroes would be public enemies(I think the public likes Iron Man and agrees with him). They would flee with for their lives. But who would be the Marc Antony figure? A new hero?

 

[Slim31]

harsh is imprisoning someone(friend/team mate), hunting them down like dogs and then forcing them to work for you, without thinking about the repercussions. now that's harsh. besides there has got to be casulties in war and I wouldn't mind Stark being one of them

 

[Tropico]

I see, murder isn't harsh but making people obey the law is harsh. Oh-kay. Can you please tell me your real name so I can be on the lookout for any law enforcement individuals or politicians on the rise that sound like you? Thanks!up:

 

[Speedball]

that is what Caesar did actually. He hunted Pompey like a dog until he was murdered in Egypt. Caesar received his head and ring as proof.

 

[Tropico]

So?

 

[Speedball]

You'd really want Cap to kill another hero for standing up for what he believes is right? Wow! That'd get the SHRA passed for sure! You're harsh!!!

Actually, if that happened, it would resemble what happened in Rome, With Caesar's death came the end of the Roman Republic and the beginning of the Roman Empire, what Caesar wanted to begin, but died before he could start it. possibly Spider-man is Octavius, and not Brutus. He would then become emperor or CEO of Stark Industries, in this case.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

harsh is imprisoning someone(friend/team mate), hunting them down like dogs and then forcing them to work for you, without thinking about the repercussions. now that's harsh. besides there has got to be casulties in war and I wouldn't mind Stark being one of them

I love how people blow that extremely out of portion like this above.

One. They are NOT hunted down like dogs. When they get into costume and do their little shindig, THEN they're confronted. And from what has been shown, they don't even try to detain them first, they just tell them to stop.

Two. They attack when the law OFFENDERS get violent. THIS is where casualties come from. I don't remember Stark attacking Prodigy, in fact, I think a drunk Prodigy started it. And I really don't see the registration side coming in ripping up the pavement after a single guy.

Three. They are NOT forcing them to work for them. You make it sound like a draft. They have a choice, obey the law, or be a normal person. Not, if you have super powers, you MUST work for the governemtn do not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars sort of deal. They decide to function in their costumed identities, they follow the law and register and train. If not, either face the law, or just stop heroing.

And Four. What the hell would Stark dying accomplish? A new plug for ANOTHER teen Tony?

 

[Speedball]

So?

What i'm saying is that Iron Man is begining to resembling Caesar. He is hunting down those that don't share his vision and imprisoning them.

 

[Speedball]

I love how people blow that extremely out of portion like this above.

One. They are NOT hunted down like dogs. When they get into costume and do their little shindig, THEN they're confronted. And from what has been shown, they don't even try to detain them first, they just tell them to stop.

Two. They attack when the law OFFENDERS get violent. THIS is where casualties come from. I don't remember Stark attacking Prodigy, in fact, I think a drunk Prodigy started it. And I really don't see the registration side coming in ripping up the pavement after a single guy.

Three. They are NOT forcing them to work for them. You make it sound like a draft. They have a choice, obey the law, or be a normal person. Not, if you have super powers, you MUST work for the governemtn do not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars sort of deal. They decide to function in their costumed identities, they follow the law and register and train. If not, either face the law, or just stop heroing.

And Four. What the hell would Stark dying accomplish? A new plug for ANOTHER teen Tony?

His death would change the Superhero world, with heroes of the past becoming villians.

 

[Tropico]

Actually, if that happened, it would resemble what happened in Rome, With Caesar's death came the end of the Roman Republic and the beginning of the Roman Empire, what Caesar wanted to begin, but died before he could start it. possibly Spider-man is Octavius, and not Brutus. He would then become emperor or CEO of Stark Industries, in this case.

Because instead of just an advisor/protege Peter is now the main beneficiary in Tony's will?

 

[Speedball]

Because instead of just an advisor/protege Peter is now the main beneficiary in Tony's will?

That's what Octavius was.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

His death would change the Superhero world, with heroes of the past becoming villians.

He's been there and done that. The hero world didn't really change all that much. And I don't really think many hero's would take that as a sign to go around and become villans.

 

[Speedball]

He impressed his uncle by surviving a shipwreck, and a trek through hostile territory. Then Caesar changed his will, so he would be heir because he never had children.

 

[Slim31]

His death would mean the end of a drunk, power hungry, backstabbing, manipulative ass****, we already get this from Doom(minus the drinking part)

 

[Speedball]

He's been there and done that. The hero world didn't really change all that much. And I don't really think many hero's would take that as a sign to go around and become villans.

Not true villians in the sense, but they would be declared villians by the public by murdering Stark and he would be made a Martyr.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Not true villians in the sense, but they would be declared villians by the public by murdering Stark and he would be made a Martyr.

I don't really see the resistance killing Stark. Registration members seem more likely to use deadly force over Captain America's group. And since Cap doesn't like killing, I don't see it happening. And most people are against Registration for the most part it seems. Many seem to like it, and many don't.

The only way I see them being made into villans is if they ambush Stark and publically executes him. Key emphasis on execute.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

His death would mean the end of a drunk, power hungry, backstabbing, manipulative ass****, we already get this from Doom(minus the drinking part)

Woo! Another mandatory drunk plug. But we don't get cowardice from Iron Man, who's willing to actually go out there and risk his butt.

 

[Tropico]

That's what Octavius was.

Okay, SBL, stop watching Rome on HBO and pay full attention to this thread! I think you're taking the analogy at the end of Frontline too literally. None of what you're saying jives with the way the characters behave. Tony isn't going around doing what he set out to do, he's doing what the people of the USofA decided they wanted. He's just following the new law. I don't endorse, I'm anti-SHRA, but seeing it from a "normal persons" POV I can understand how they would want it passed and enforced.

My delicious Mistress Gluon, the SHRA applies to all SH's regardless if they want to be heroes or not; at least the registration does as evidenced in the CW #2 summary in the first page. And though I agree with your assesment that the SHRA forces appear to offer some kind of "standown speech" to dissenters we don't know how the Young Avengers part got started so I reserve judgement on if they're going by the book or acting like stormtroopers.