Jurassic World - Part 6

[Mad Ones]

Why are you glad? Did the JP franchise steal some Magic cards from you or something?

Jesus. Anytime fanboy properties are rightfully critiqued on the basis of sexism or racism, the reaction is always so defensive and childish.

Hide your own insecurities all you want by minimalizing my opinion.

But maybe go read an article on feminism. You might start to care about the actual women who have to deal with sexist stereotypes every day of their lives, especially the work place.

 

[MogwaiBat89]

Jesus. Anytime fanboy properties are rightfully critiqued on the basis of sexism or racism, the reaction is always so defensive and childish.

Hide your own insecurities all you want by minimalizing my opinion.

But maybe go read an article on feminism. You might start to care about the actual women who have to deal with sexist stereotypes every day of their lives, especially the work place.

There is nothing rightful about it. If Whedon didn't open his ignorant gob nobody would say a thing. And please, DO NOT start getting obstinate and self righteous about feminism like it's above criticism. No ideology should be above criticism.

Would you have a problem if Claire was the one who made some sex jokes? I doubt it. Why is straight male sexuality all of a sudden some evil thing worthy of scorn and derision?

 

[Mad Ones]

There is nothing rightful about it. If Whedon didn't open his ignorant gob nobody would say a thing. And please, DO NOT start getting obstinate and self righteous about feminism like it's above criticism. No ideology should be above criticism.

What are you critiquing about feminism/s?

This isn't about Joss Whedon. The clip needed to get called out and I'm glad someone people pay attention to did it.

Would you have a problem if Claire was the one who made some sex jokes? I doubt it. Why is straight male sexuality all of a sudden some evil thing worthy of scorn and derision?

That wasn't what the clip was about and what we are talking about. Why change the topic with useless hypotheticals?

 

[MogwaiBat89]

What are you critiquing about feminism/s?

This isn't about Joss Whedon. The clip needed to get called out and I'm glad someone people pay attention to did it.


That wasn't what the clip was about and what we are talking about. Why changed the topic with useless hypotheticals?

Called out for what? There was nothing to call out. Why do you people insist on making something out of nothing?

 

[Mad Ones]

If a lot of people feel a particular way, can't you at least try to understand why or at least respect their feelings?

 

[Greens]

It's not like Pratt's character snatched up a random woman on the street and started groping her ass.

These characters obviously have a history. Maybe he should have told a safe knock knock joke?

The clip is obviously clichéd, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[MogwaiBat89]

If a lot of people feel a particular way, can't you at least try to understand why or at least respect their feelings?

But they don't.

 

[MogwaiBat89]

It's not like Pratt's character snatched up a random woman on the street and started groping her ass.

These characters obviously have a history. Maybe he should have told a safe knock knock joke?

The clip is obviously clichéd, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

That's what it's come to these days. FOR EVERYTHING!

 

[MogwaiBat89]

I also find it highly funny Whedon has no objections to Pratts other character, coincidentally a Marvel character: not knowing a girls name he slept with, making a rather explicit **** joke, and trying to kiss Gamora when she didn't want to. I mean, if the innocuous JW clip is sexist then wouldn't Starlord be sexist? While were at it, why not call his putting Black Widow in a short, black, tight dress sexist as well? And the skin tight suit? It's ok to show off her body in as many angles as possible as long as she gets to kick butt?

 

[Mad Ones]

Sexism happens in pervasive ways that most people treat as normal and it goes unchallenged. More people need to critique these everyday occurrences of sexism instead of attacking the more critical consumers.

But most straight guys don't want the status quo to change because they're represented as the charismatic hero always in control a la Chris Pratt in that clip.

Edit: I agree Mogwaibat89, there are problematic things about Starlord's character and Black Widow's representation.

 

[Greens]

But most straight guys don't want the status quo to change because they're represented as the charismatic hero always in control a la Chris Pratt in that clip.

The charismatic hero that is attractive, buff as **** and gets all the girls. Yeah, all of us straight guys revel in that! He's just like me!

 

[Mad Ones]

The charismatic hero that is attractive, buff as **** and gets all the girls. Yeah, all of us straight guys revel in that! He's just like me!

Haha I meant it's a projection of what a lot of straight guys want, so it's a combination of wish fulfillment and entitlement. It comes at the cost of female characters who get represented in these movies that are largely written and directed by straight men.

 

[MogwaiBat89]

Sexism happens in pervasive ways that most people treat as normal and it goes unchallenged. More people need to critique these everyday occurrences of sexism instead of attacking the more critical consumers.

But most straight guys don't want the status quo to change because they're represented as the charismatic hero always in control a la Chris Pratt in that clip.

Edit: I agree Mogwaibat89, there are problematic things about Starlord's character and Black Widow's representation.

I wasn't criticizing Star Lord at all. There is nothing sexist about his character either. I'm referring to Whedon ignoring what he would personally label sexism in a Marvel film, his bread and butter, but instead attacks one of his only big competitors this summer. I thought he was classier than that.

Again tell me, what exactly makes the clip sexist? Tell me. Is it the mere fact a man made some mild sex jokes at a woman? Are women that weak they can't handle a sex joke? Are they that pure they will crumble at the mention of sex? Please, give them more credit. Why is that this kind of thing is only an issue when hetero men are the example? If it were two gay men, would the same dialogue be an issue? It's the same dialogue, used for the same exact purpose. So it must be sexist. And you never answered: What if Claire said those things to Owen instead? Would that be sexist or empowering? I bet empowering because it's only sexist when men do it.

 

[MogwaiBat89]

Haha I meant it's a projection of what a lot of straight guys want, so it's a combination of wish fulfillment and entitlement. It comes at the cost of female characters who get represented in these movies that are largely written and directed by straight men.

LMFAO! Yea, because women NEVER like that kind of thing! They never swoon over Loki and Thor and Cap and The Doctor and Benedict Cumberbatch and yadda yadda yadda! Nope. Never.


OH WAIT:

Wish fulfillment....good god.

 

[Greens]

Haha I meant it's a projection of what a lot of straight guys want, so it's a combination of wish fulfillment and entitlement. It comes at the cost of female characters who get represented in these movies that are largely written and directed by straight men.

It's not just male wish fulfillment, though. Do you know how many women I've heard drooling over the Fifty Shades of Grey movie because the main guy is such a hottie? It's a double standard where women can drool over a guy with abs but a female ass shot is sexist.

To be clear, women can drool from here to Tokyo for all I care, but all the cards need to be on the table.

 

[Mad Ones]

Yes, straight women are attracted to men and enjoy Magic Mike and 50 Shades because of that. What's your point?

The clip showcases Howard's character, a professional woman with authority. She's clearly uncomfortable occupying this position. Howard, starting the clip out professionally, is met with sexual innuendos by Pratt's character. She is seen as a sex object, not a professional woman. Howard's character is further stereotyped as "a ball-buster," a type a-personality who is also a kill-joy. Men often react negatively to female bosses since they feel emasculated, and women in power are often not respected. Pratt's character uses sexual language to achieve dominance. There is a gendered struggle for dominance in the clip that has been featured in film for decades, and once again the man is more likable and more competent.

What I described doesn't happen in every workplace. It's an extremely stereotyped sexist scenario that is still portrayed everyday, though, as JW proves. The clip doesn't feature Pratt groping her or anything physical, but that doesn't mean it is not sexist. Many straight men are comfortable watching a scene like that because that is how they want power relationships to play out. Feminism has been dealing with these negative stereotypes since the second wave, and apparently not much has changed (hence Joss' point).

 

[chaseter]

Mad Ones objectifies men (as easily seen in a search of his posts) so....pot, meet kettle. Hilarious that he bashes men drooling over women in media but he can freely objectify men with no remorse. I think that was the easiest detective work I've had to do on here. Case closed.

 

[Mad Ones]

Pratt wasn't drooling over Howard in that clip, though. That's not what the issue is.

People are totally allowed to be attracted to other people.

I'm glad you felt the need to investigate me. I must have touched a nerve?

 

[CELTICPRED]

Would everything be okay if the guy was the suit and a woman the raptor keeper? Can't say I'd throw 8 dollars at that if it was the case.

 

[Mad Ones]

I do find it interesting that people keep bringing up hypothetical scenarios as a way to discredit the critique. We weren't given a clip with a professional male. The clip we have been given perpetuates negative gender stereotypes.

 

[MogwaiBat89]

Yes, straight women are attracted to men and enjoy Magic Mike and 50 Shades because of that. What's your point?

The clip showcases Howard's character, a professional woman with authority. She's clearly uncomfortable occupying this position. Howard, starting the clip out professionally, is met with sexual innuendos by Pratt's character. She is seen as a sex object, not a professional woman. Howard's character is further stereotyped as "a ball-buster," a type a-personality who is also a kill-joy. Men often react negatively to female bosses since they feel emasculated, and women in power are often not respected. Pratt's character uses sexual language to achieve dominance. There is a gendered struggle for dominance in the clip that has been featured in film for decades, and once again the man is more likable and more competent.

What I described doesn't happen in every workplace. It's an extremely stereotyped sexist scenario that is still portrayed everyday, as JW proves. The clip doesn't feature Pratt groping her or anything physical, but that doesn't mean it is not sexist. Many straight men are comfortable watching a scene like that because that is how they want power relationships to play out. Feminism has been dealing with these negative stereotypes since the second wave, and apparently not much has changed (hence Joss' point).

How is she seen as a sex object? Making sexual jokes towards a woman does not equate to you making her a sex object. But men are all evil scum and woman are all innocent flowers. If anybodies sexist, it's you because you seem to think women can't understand or handle sexual repartee. Believe it or not, women like sex too. So you think women are naive and perpetual victims and men are all subhuman scum. Is there anyone you don't think so poorly of?

THEY. HAVE. A. HISTORY. It is clear Claire doesn't find the innuendo harmful. Owens own delivery is playful and lighthearted.

And I don't think she comes off as a ballbuster what so ever. She seems much more down to Earth in her responsibilities than her appearance would indicate.

You are reading so much BS into that clip it's unreal. A gendered powerful struggle? WTF are on? Christ...

So now a man simply DISAGREEING with a woman is now a "gendered power struggle". I can't even...

 

[MogwaiBat89]

I do find it interesting that people keep bringing up hypothetical scenarios as a way to discredit the critique. We weren't given a clip with a professional male. The clip we have been given perpetuates negative gender stereotypes.

It's not hypothetical. It's calling out your sexist PC dogma.

 

[terry78]

What the **** has this thread become?

 

[CELTICPRED]

I do find it interesting that people keep bringing up hypothetical scenarios as a way to discredit the critique. We weren't given a clip with a professional male. The clip we have been given perpetuates negative gender stereotypes.

I'm failing to see what's negative. It's not like people like this don't exist. I see two different characters. Boring ones, but different.

 

[Mad Ones]

@MogwaiBats89, It is hypothetical.

How is she seen as a sex object? Making sexual jokes towards a woman does not equate to you making her a sex object. But men are all evil scum and woman are all innocent flowers. If anybodies sexist, it's you because you seem to think women can't understand or handle sexual repartee. Believe it or not, women like sex too. So you think women are naive and perpetual victims and men are all subhuman scum. Is there anyone you don't think so poorly of?

THEY. HAVE. A. HISTORY. It is clear Claire doesn't find the innuendo harmful. Owens own delivery is playful and lighthearted.

And I don't think she comes off as a ballbuster what so ever. She seems much more down to Earth in her responsibilities than her appearance would indicate.

You are reading so much BS into that clip it's unreal. A gendered powerful struggle? WTF are on? Christ...

So now a man simply DISAGREEING with a woman is now a "gendered power struggle". I can't even...

You can't disagree with me respectfully? She says she needs to talk to him, he suggest they talk "privately" i.e. sex. He doesn't want to have a professional relationship with her. Just a sexual one. And this is one directional. We have no idea what her desires are.