Ken Ham vs Bill Nye (Is creation a viable model of origins?)

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On February 4th, Bill Nye the science guy will go to Ken Ham's creation museum to have an evolution/creation debate.

There are many that would advise against debating creationists at all with the argument that giving them a platform is giving them too much credibility. To paraphrase Richard Dawkins, "It would be good for your CV but not for mine". However, this raises a conundrum. Something around 45% of Americans believe in creationism. The numbers show that over the years, people in the USA have only become more unsure about evolution.

How, then, is this to be challenged? To leave creationists alone, they're free to spread their message in their own bubble without question, getting their view point into the textbooks of Texas, passing it onto their kids. To challenge them directly, you risk giving them an even bigger platform.

Ken Ham is, specifically, a young Earth creationist that believes the Earth to be 6000 years old and believes that humans have existed from the beginning as they are without the process of evolution. Creationism in the USA is well funded, with museums showing animatronic dinosaurs alongside human beings.

I would have thought the information age would be enough to tackle this sort of thing - people being more connected to an abundance of information than they've ever been, enough to dispel any myths, but perhaps this same information technology is what allows creationists to continue to spread.


Anyway, what say you? Will you be watching?
 
Just like the Jon Stewart/ Bill O'Reilly debate, I love when two guys with such different ideologies get together and discuss like civil human beings. I will absolutely watch this.
 
So, as a Christian, I guess I consider myself in the middle since the theory of evolution seems plausible and I'm a huge dinosaur fanatic, and it seems fairly obvious theat they lived millions of years ago. I know how the Bible reads, but I've always wondered about the 6000 years thing. But then there's disagreements I have in other areas too.

I'm really interested to watch this.
 
As a Christian as well I am also in the middle of the road. I don't take the bible at 100% face value. I see it more as a road map then something to read and persecute people with.

I'm interested in it for the same reasons TDM
 
On February 4th, Bill Nye the science guy will go to Ken Ham's creation museum to have an evolution/creation debate.

There are many that would advise against debating creationists at all with the argument that giving them a platform is giving them too much credibility. To paraphrase Richard Dawkins, "It would be good for your CV but not for mine". However, this raises a conundrum. Something around 45% of Americans believe in creationism. The numbers show that over the years, people in the USA have only become more unsure about evolution.

How, then, is this to be challenged? To leave creationists alone, they're free to spread their message in their own bubble without question, getting their view point into the textbooks of Texas, passing it onto their kids. To challenge them directly, you risk giving them an even bigger platform.

Ken Ham is, specifically, a young Earth creationist that believes the Earth to be 6000 years old and believes that humans have existed from the beginning as they are without the process of evolution. Creationism in the USA is well funded, with museums showing animatronic dinosaurs alongside human beings.

I would have thought the information age would be enough to tackle this sort of thing - people being more connected to an abundance of information than they've ever been, enough to dispel any myths, but perhaps this same information technology is what allows creationists to continue to spread.


Anyway, what say you? Will you be watching?

I like they way you make it seem like this is some kind of dangerous belief to be suppressed.Ever heard of a little something called "Freedom of speech?":whatever:
 
To put it into state textbooks isn't analogous to freedom of speech; that's a state promoting a certain view point, creationists are not owed that sort of platform, that's not a freedom of speech issue. Teaching children to reject scientific reality is dangerous. Evolution is spread across many fields of science and you're effectively barring children from being effective in those fields by teaching them creationism.
 
All I know is that time in relation to God (or whatever you choose to believe) is eons longer than we can possibly imagine. So while I believe that God created everything in 6 days, I don't believe it was literally six HUMAN days, as we would perceive it.

Besides I think somewhere in the Bible it says that in heaven a second for them is about a thousand years for us, or something along those lines.
 
To put it into state textbooks isn't analogous to freedom of speech; that's a state promoting a certain view point, creationists are not owed that sort of platform, that's not a freedom of speech issue. Teaching children to reject scientific reality is dangerous. Evolution is spread across many fields of science and you're effectively barring children from being effective in those fields by teaching them creationism.

I feel like you made this thread to not just make this debate known to SHH.
 
This will be a great to watch. I love watching stuff because unlike some dumb motherf***ers on internet forums, these people will remain civil and respectful while addressing their points and disputes.

..oh yeah, and in before this thread turns into yet another debate.

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How many times must I say this? :doh:

Evolution is a tool of God so that we as humans can try to understand how much creative energy he poured into our little blue speck. It's really that simple. You can either believe in God or not, it's not my place to Biblebash you, but in the end God is both a scientist and an artist.
 
All I know is that time in relation to God (or whatever you choose to believe) is eons longer than we can possibly imagine. So while I believe that God created everything in 6 days, I don't believe it was literally six HUMAN days, as we would perceive it.

Besides I think somewhere in the Bible it says that in heaven a second for them is about a thousand years for us, or something along those lines.

Seconding all of this.
 
This will be a great to watch. I love watching stuff because unlike some dumb motherf***ers on internet forums, these people will remain civil and respectful while addressing their points and disputes.

..oh yeah, and in before this thread turns into yet another debate.

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The real question to ask, though, is which came first? The cannabis or the platypus?


:sus
 
This will be a great to watch. I love watching stuff because unlike some dumb motherf***ers on internet forums, these people will remain civil and respectful while addressing their points and disputes.

..oh yeah, and in before this thread turns into yet another debate.

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Too late, it already started. There will be no debate in here, just people loudly declaring their opinions like they already are.
 
Unfortunately, tis true. That's the Hype for ya.

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and Teelie will be close behind, with his arsenal of links debunking everything anyone claims. :D
 
Who is the girl in that gif by the way? I wanna get to know her...in the biblical sense :sus
 
How many times must I say this? :doh:

Evolution is a tool of God so that we as humans can try to understand how much creative energy he poured into our little blue speck. It's really that simple. You can either believe in God or not, it's not my place to Biblebash you, but in the end God is both a scientist and an artist.

I love this post.

I love the tone, I love the certainty, the use of the doh emoticon, all of it.
 
It's also the reason I won't be debating anything in this thread, even as I may occasionally interject a comment or two.
 
I need to learn your ways Teelie. I generally blindly barge into a thread with my shield up ramming forward with whatever's on my mind.

You take your time, you're calculated. I'm a bumbling barbarian.
 

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