Last Tango In Paris

[Lighthouse]

It's a 44 year old classic that didn't get sh** on until a female director Tweeted about it.

And Cosby's rape allegations weren't taken seriously until a comedian talked about it. What's your point?

 

[Hurm...]

According to Slushy, if you commit a crime and people call attention to it decades later, it is no longer a crime.

Beyond ridiculous.

 

[Octoberist]

The movie will always be a classic but what the director and Brandi did was disgusting and inexcusable. It ruined her life (she was 19!).

 

[C. Lee]

I never saw the "greatness" of LAST TANGO....to me it was just an excuse to have some, shocking for the time, nudity and sexual content.

She was sexually assaulted by Brando and the director. They were more powerful and above her in the movie making world....so they pressured her to do something she didn't want to or was unwilling to do.

 

[Lencho01]

I never bothered to watch the film and the plot on Wikipedia doesn't sound very interesting. This recent "news" sure doesn't increase a want to see the film.

 

[terry78]

I'll level with you, the amount of stuff that has probably gone on behind the scenes of some of these classics would shock you more than likely.

 

[Greens]

I'll level with you, the amount of stuff that has probably gone on behind the scenes of some of these classics would shock you more than likely.

The Wizard of Oz comes to mind.

 

[Darepool]

I can't watch Heaven's Gate for the way the animals were treated..

 

[Black Narcissus]

I think Coppola also killed a real cow in Apocalypse Now.

I highly recommend watching the behind scenes documentary of that movie. Coppola had lost his mind.

 

[Octoberist]

I think Coppola also killed a real cow in Apocalypse Now.

I highly recommend watching the behind scenes documentary of that movie. Coppola had lost his mind.

Even though he has a few decent movies afterwards (The Outsiders), I really think Apoc Now broke him as an artist and as a man. Not to say he's nuts, but I think it was traumatic enough where it sucked out a part of his creative soul.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Even though he has a few decent movies afterwards (The Outsiders), I really think Apoc Now broke him as an artist and as a man. Not to say he's nuts, but I think it was traumatic enough where it sucked out a part of his creative soul.

I do like Dracula tho. I have been hoping for Coppola to get one last hurrah. His legend is already in the books, but I do miss him as a great filmmaker.

 

[Octoberist]

Oh yeah, Dracula.

 

[childeroland]

The Wizard of Oz comes to mind.

What happened bts of The Wizard of Oz?

 

[terry78]

With the advent of CG though, even though fanboys decry it, a lot of stuff can be done that fools the human eye so they don't have to go all cruelty.

 

[Drizzle]

What happened bts of The Wizard of Oz?

I just looked it up and man, what didn't happen behind the scenes of The Wizard of Oz? Judy Garland had to wear a tight corset that made it hard to breathe, the original actor for the Tin Man almost died breathing in the aluminum makeup, Toto got stepped on by accident which broke his leg, actors playing the flying monkeys were hurt when wires that were holding them up snapped, the Wicked Witch caught on fire, and the munchkins orchestrated a mass suicide on set.

(Okay, the last one didn't happen, but would you be surprised? )

 

[childeroland]

OK. I thought Greens meant Garland was assaulted or something like that.

 

[Greens]

OK. I thought Greens meant Garland was assaulted or something like that.

She was. A certain high ranking executive at MGM used to coerce sexual favors from her during the making of the movie. She was also forced to stay on a diet of multiple packs of cigarettes a day and a bunch of diet pills because she was deemed too fat and ugly. Garland was extremely talented but she went through multiple bouts of depression and a failed suicide attempt. She was ****ed up.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Jesus.

 

[Drizzle]

She was. A certain high ranking executive at MGM used to coerce sexual favors from her during the making of the movie. She was also forced to stay on a diet of multiple packs of cigarettes a day and a bunch of diet pills because she was deemed too fat and ugly. Garland was extremely talented but she went through multiple bouts of depression and a failed suicide attempt. She was ****ed up.

I didn't know she was sexually abused. I also know she was paid $35 a week while Toto's owner was paid $125 a week.

 

[childeroland]

That town can be horrible to women.

 

[terry78]

Yet they continue to go. It's the mindset that needs to change, though.

 

[Teelie]

I debated whether calling it sexual assault was right considering she a) knew about it (albeit only right before) and b) ultimately consented to it but given the circumstances it comes down to it, she had little choice in the matter. I would say she was sexually assaulted.

It is one of those situations where it is so hard to gauge what to call it. Inappropriate should be the very least but given her comments in that interview it went far beyond just a bad experience. When you are making a movie and there is a violent scene like this it can be hard to draw a line between acceptable and unacceptable. Even though there was no penetration and no true sexual malice it can still be traumatizing.

I am sure they could have done something different to lessen that but this was Brando and old Hollywood. They did worse than this on a semi-regular basis. To them this was truly a mild thing compared to what happened off the screen (as Judy Garland's time can reflect).

Had that happened now I would like to think it would have gotten attention and been prevented from going forward or been widely derided if it did. But Hollywood still has a problem with the blind eye to injustices that go on within it so no one can say for sure.

Casy Affleck's less overt but no less grossly inappropriate habit of harassing women over the years shows Hollywood can still look the other way when reputation or profits are on the line.

I think Coppola also killed a real cow in Apocalypse Now.

I highly recommend watching the behind scenes documentary of that movie. Coppola had lost his mind.

Yes and no. The water buffalo was really killed but not for the movie. It was however filmed for the movie. The animal was going to be killed regardless of what happened in the movie as it was a village doing the slaughter for meat, not for gratuity.

 

[Black Narcissus]

She was. A certain high ranking executive at MGM used to coerce sexual favors from her during the making of the movie. She was also forced to stay on a diet of multiple packs of cigarettes a day and a bunch of diet pills because she was deemed too fat and ugly. Garland was extremely talented but she went through multiple bouts of depression and a failed suicide attempt. She was ****ed up.

The director also smacked her in the face.

 

[Asgard]

I didnt even know about any of this until the director came out and said what he and Brando did.

So at first, I was under the impression that she was indeed raped. That Brando had put the butter into her anus.

But then I read what Maria said about the scene, and she says she felt raped but that it was simulated. That it wasnt real.

So Im certain that Brando didnt rape her by forcing vaginal intercourse but now Im not so certain he actually used the butter on her anus. That it was a simulation and he instead rubbed it on her behind or something to get a reaction out of her.

What Brando and Bertolucci did was pretty disgusting regardless. They used their power to coerce a 19 year old to do something she wasnt entirely comfortable with. And she probably felt she had little to no choice in the matter.

 

[Jason Kane]

"WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE ART?!"

Jesus wept....