Movies that don't hold up

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So I was re-watching Wedding Crashers. I remember at the time enjoying it and laughing at the jokes. It still has some likeable performances, but now seeing two predatory males lie and treat women as purely objects to be conquered doesn't seem as funny anymore. Social messages aside, the idea they would also be invited to a weekend at the country home of a high ranking US Senator definitely seems far fetched.

What other movies that you enjoyed when you first saw, but haven't held up on re-watch years later?
 
What other movies that you enjoyed when you first saw, but haven't held up on re-watch years later?

Serendipity 2001

John Cusack's and Kate Beckinsale's characters are both supposed to already be in relationships at the start of the movie. Yet John Cusack's character is immediately interested in hers and starts hitting on her, and her character is receptive to this too. Makes both of them look bad and would've been better if the script had just called for them to both be single and not in relationships.
 
Avatar. It was a movie defined by its ground breaking special effects, but now that every major blockbuster has effects as good or better and that 3D ended up being nothing more than a fad, the general lack of substance leaves you with a generic adventure film with cookie cutter characters.
 
Avatar. It was a movie defined by its ground breaking special effects, but now that every major blockbuster has effects as good or better and that 3D ended up being nothing more than a fad, the general lack of substance leaves you with a generic adventure film with cookie cutter characters.
I disliked it even at the time for exactly those reasons.
 
I don’t mean to be a dick, but I absolutely hate the concept of “movies holding up”. The idea that art needs to be consistent with the modern social norms and beliefs twenty years in the future is a flawed and unattainable concept. Regarding effects or whatever, that’s even worse. The best looking effects this year will look outdated in 10 years or less. Every movie becomes an old movie.
 
i was not talking about the looks of the films that took place in the future I was just saying movies in general that take place in the future and we go past those years and things they said/predicted never happened (but BTTF 2 did predict some good stuff like video chat, flat screen tvs etc).
 
I don’t mean to be a dick, but I absolutely hate the concept of “movies holding up”. The idea that art needs to be consistent with the modern social norms and beliefs twenty years in the future is a flawed and unattainable concept. Regarding effects or whatever, that’s even worse. The best looking effects this year will look outdated in 10 years or less. Every movie becomes an old movie.

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Not too long ago came across an article in which the writer was heavily criticizing popular movies from the 80s & 90s that are now deemed “offensive” that had me like :rolleyes:

It was a product of the times. Rather than demonizing those films just enjoy them for what they are. Or don’t watch them. Simple as that
 
I don’t mean to be a dick, but I absolutely hate the concept of “movies holding up”. The idea that art needs to be consistent with the modern social norms and beliefs twenty years in the future is a flawed and unattainable concept. Regarding effects or whatever, that’s even worse. The best looking effects this year will look outdated in 10 years or less. Every movie becomes an old movie.

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Not too long ago came across an article in which the writer was heavily criticizing popular movies from the 80s & 90s that are now deemed “offensive” that had me like :rolleyes:

It was a product of the times. Rather than demonizing those films just enjoy them for what they are. Or don’t watch them. Simple as that


Turn that around a bit. Some films, irrespective of their effects stand the test of time- LOTR ( which is 20 years old now) original Star Wars, the Godfather, Terminator 2...the list goes on.

Good acting and direction , well written stories, well developed characters, clever storytelling and pacing.... these things make movies great and if they are part of a film's DNA it will "hold up".

Not every film becomes an old film in 10 years, some films are immortal.

At the same time I totally agree with @GREEN =w= DAY about evaluating films of the past through the moral and political lenses of today, if theyaren't documentaries they're works of fiction, entertainment to be enjoyed or not.
 
I mean it’s impossible not to look at old movies through our contemporary perspective. If something hasn’t aged well, then it hasn’t aged well. I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Besides, plenty of old movies hold up. Doesn’t really seem unfair to me to point out the ones that don’t.

Anyway, comedies tend to age the quickest and those are the ones coming to my mind right now. All those movies where one of the hot, attractive ladies (often a stripper/sex worker) turns out to be a trans woman and then the entire male cast throws up. Those don’t hold up.
 
We grow (hopefully) and I think that it is healthy to look back at older films and recognize where they were inappropriate. It’s not so much the “product of the times” as it is that we hopefully have grown to a point where we recognize that some things are hurtful.

As a kid, I remember watching Michael Keaton’s Gung Ho repeatedly on Showtime. It was hilarious to me then. Now as an adult with a teenage son who I adopted from Asia who is concerned about the racism and stereotypes that he is having to face, I struggled mightily trying to rewatch that film recently.

The movie hasn’t changed, but I have.
 
I disliked it even at the time for exactly those reasons.

I don't know, I feel it has *slightly* more nuance than that. . . but I will be fair and admit that it might have been purely by chance rather than intent. Like, I thought the corporation was supposed to be a more nuanced and human take on 'Evil corporation wants their land', with people who don't see themselves as mustache twirling evil. . . but that might have been Cameron accidentally not providing enough black hats. Likewise, the Na'vi being an imperfect people themselves, suffering from both arrogance and xenophobia. . . well, its on screen, but it might have either not been in the screenwriters mind, or not actually viewed as a flaw.
 
I don’t mean to be a dick, but I absolutely hate the concept of “movies holding up”. The idea that art needs to be consistent with the modern social norms and beliefs twenty years in the future is a flawed and unattainable concept. Regarding effects or whatever, that’s even worse. The best looking effects this year will look outdated in 10 years or less. Every movie becomes an old movie.
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I definitely wouldn’t knock a movie for having outdated effects. That will always happen.

And no, I wouldn’t expect a movie made ten years ago to conform to today’s standards. But that doesn’t mean when you watch it today, you as the viewer haven’t changed in ten years and grown as a person. It all comes down to the execution of it.

So in the example of Wedding Crashers, the idea of two guys crashing weddings is a funny one, and still can be. But the execution of some of the plot lines like how the women are objectified or a man admitting to being raped and it being played for laughs can seem cringe in light of how we look at ourselves today.
 
I mean it’s impossible not to look at old movies through our contemporary perspective. If something hasn’t aged well, then it hasn’t aged well. I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Besides, plenty of old movies hold up. Doesn’t really seem unfair to me to point out the ones that don’t.

Anyway, comedies tend to age the quickest and those are the ones coming to my mind right now. All those movies where one of the hot, attractive ladies (often a stripper/sex worker) turns out to be a trans woman and then the entire male cast throws up. Those don’t hold up.
I don’t think we should ever cancel those movies or never show them again. I think the way HBO and Disney has handled it by putting disclaimers in front of the movie that certain images are now known to be in poor taste is probably the best way to educate people.
 
Turn that around a bit. Some films, irrespective of their effects stand the test of time- LOTR ( which is 20 years old now) original Star Wars, the Godfather, Terminator 2...the list goes on.

Good acting and direction , well written stories, well developed characters, clever storytelling and pacing.... these things make movies great and if they are part of a film's DNA it will "hold up".

Not every film becomes an old film in 10 years, some films are immortal.

But this is simply not true. You are looking at those movies strictly through your own experiences and biases. When I taught film school, I had 20 year olds(young, but not under-developed children) telling me movies like T2 and Back To The Future were cheesy and old fashion. My nieces and nephews have told me countless times that they need to remake the original Star Wars trilogy so that it isn’t “so dated”. Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever. The direction, characters and story are still very relevant today(we just had a Kane figure in the White House), yet it still feels old fashion because it is. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Movies(or really any art) are like fashion. Bell bottoms looked cool in the 70s. Now they don’t. Does that mean they were never really cool? No, it just means our tastes have changed. Films were made a certain way in Classic Hollywood. That style of filmmaking is no longer in vogue, so it feels “dated”, but the filmmaking didn’t magically stop working. The great films of that era are still great films. Modern audiences just aren’t interested in it.

Look at New Hollywood. New Hollywood was focused on gritty realism, which often lead to a much slower, realistic pace and much slower editing. Someone born during or after the MTV generation of cut cut cut, is probably going to find New Hollywood’s slow pace boring. In fact, some of these very people may find The Godfather boring.

One of the reasons certain films, such as the original Star Wars or Spielberg films feel like they have not dated is because they are still with current trends. Their fashion is still in style. Our current fashion of big IP tentpoles are designed after Spielberg and Lucas. But that won’t always be the case.

A film’s place in history can be interesting to see
it’s legacy from an influential standpoint, but even that is debatable( there are so many shots and callbacks to things like Citizen Kane that have been done so many times many people don’t even realize they are copping Citizen Kane). Ultimately, a film as its own self merit is best determined by the film itself and how, when and why it was made.
 

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