Neill Blomkamp's Alien film

[dude stannis]

Alien 5 is much more interesting than a Prometheus 2 to me right now.

I'm completely the opposite. Whatever Prometheus was and Prometheus 2 will be quality wise, it'll be a big, intresting mess at the very worst, a masterpiece that continues the marriage of Lovecraft and Nietchsze at best. Blomkamp's film reeks of fan fiction to me.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'm completely the opposite. Whatever Prometheus was and Prometheus 2 will be quality wise, it'll be a big, intresting mess at the very worst, a masterpiece that continues the marriage of Lovecraft and Nietchsze at best. Blomkamp's film reeks of fan fiction to me.

See, Prometheus just had that Lovecraftian jive to it but goddammit, it just didn't fully deliver on those promises to me. You could be right and Blomkamp could tumble again, but the prospect of seeing Ellen Ripley and Dwayne Hicks again to right the wrongs of post Aliens makes me more excited than anything.

 

[dude stannis]

Yeah, in their walker frames, waiting in line for their pension cheques. Honestly the story ended just fine on Aliens (Or Alien 3 if you're so inclined). I'd much prefer Blomkamp just told an entirely new, fresh story.

 

[TheVileOne]

Scott has been pumping out one film per year for the last 3 years. Not exactly what I would call "taking his sweet time".

Yet he seems to be in no hurry to do a Prometheus sequel.

 

[titansupes]

I don't think anybody's really in a hurry to see it, either... But, either get it done or just step out of the way and let Alien 5 happen.

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean...is anyone in a hurry to see Alien 5 either? Other than some movie geeks?

 

[titansupes]

The first true ALIEN movie since the mid-90's, the return of Ripley (who's very iconic) and resurrection of Hicks (though that last one's more the fans, sure)... the fact that it's not P2. I'd say it's got a lot going for it, JW style. Though of course I don't expect those numbers.

 

[TheVileOne]

These movies do not have the wide appeal that the Jurassic Park movies do and will never make as much money.

 

[titansupes]

These movies do not have the wide appeal that the Jurassic Park movies do and will never make as much money.

I know, I acknowledged that.

 

[chamber-music]

I'm completely the opposite. Whatever Prometheus was and Prometheus 2 will be quality wise, it'll be a big, intresting mess at the very worst, a masterpiece that continues the marriage of Lovecraft and Nietchsze at best. Blomkamp's film reeks of fan fiction to me.

I'm hopefully optimistic about Prometheus 2. I'm hoping Ridley may of got his mojo back making The Martian. Some of the stuff Ridley Scott mentioned about Prometheus 2 also sounds pretty cool.

New alien creatures
More Paradise Lost meets Lovecraft mythology
introduction of Yuntai
return of David (I thought Fassbender was one of the best things about the first film)

Alien 5 sounds cool but I'm slightly worried it will be a Terminator Genysis style mess.

 

[dude stannis]

Yet he seems to be in no hurry to do a Prometheus sequel.

He's balls deep in pre-production now. The Cartel is smaller a side job waiting for him afterwards, like The Counselor was for Prometheus.

I'm hopefully optimistic about Prometheus 2. I'm hoping Ridley may of got his mojo back making The Martian. Some of the stuff Ridley Scott mentioned about Prometheus 2 also sounds pretty cool.

New alien creatures
More Paradise Lost meets Lovecraft mythology
introduction of Yuntai
return of David (I thought Fassbender was one of the best things about the first film)

Alien 5 sounds cool but I'm slightly worried it will be a Terminator Genysis style mess.

Exactly. I'm more interested in fresh unique ideas than someone doing the fanfic I wrote when I was 15.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I too am looking forward to both, but probably Prometheus 2 a little bit more. I loved Prometheus personally and thought it really added to the mythos and I loved the themes it explored. I can understand it frustrated people but as a movie it had me thinking for weeks afterwards and I love when that happens.

D9 is one of my favourite movies ever, and I liked Elysium a lot also, but Chappie was poor and disappointing to me, so I am slightly worried Blomkamp is on a downward spiral. Aliens is also ny number 1 favourite movie ever and so i hope the characyers arent messed up. Hope I am wrong but those are the reasons I am more excited for Prometheus 2.

 

[TeeKay]

I too am looking forward to both, but probably Prometheus 2 a little bit more. I loved Prometheus personally and thought it really added to the mythos and I loved the themes it explored. I can understand it frustrated people but as a movie it had me thinking for weeks afterwards and I love when that happens.

D9 is one of my favourite movies ever, and I liked Elysium a lot also, but Chappie was poor and disappointing to me, so I am slightly worried Blomkamp is on a downward spiral. Aliens is also ny number 1 favourite movie ever and so i hope the characyers arent messed up. Hope I am wrong but those are the reasons I am more excited for Prometheus 2.

I'm with you man on Blomkamp. D9 is a great film and ever since then, its been downhill. I didn't even bother watching Chappie after Elysium which was good but somewhat disappointing IMO.

With that been said, even though I didn't like Prometheus as much. I'm more excited for the sequel since there's a lot of plot threads and left hanging and things to be explained. There were many good ideas that were presented and thw film either failed to expand them or do anything interesting with them. And Ridley Scott doing a sci Fi horror film just excites me. Loved the original Alien. So we'll see.

 

[titansupes]

I get being worried about the dipping quality of Blomkamp's films -- which is a legitimate concern to be sure -- but I find the consistently bad Scott filmography over the last ten years, including Prometheus for me (I'd say for most) is far more worrisome.

 

[Loki882]

The problem with Prometheus is that it had no real "new ideas." It teased some, and it made allusion (often in the most confusing/nonsensical way possible). But at the end of the day, it just turned into "Alien-lite." A slasher movie in space where a bunch of characters that were either barely there (what happened to all the mercs in the 3rd act, the movie just forgot about them apparently, or they died offscreen and it was never mentioned) or idiots who were annoying (the main cast except for David) got killed off in the most generic ways possible. Or, in the case of Vickers, in the most stupid way possible (seriously, "run to the side/turn to your left" is already a go-to joke in pop culture).

Frankly, I don't trust Scott to deliver on any of his promises at this point. This is especially true since he hasn't made a decent flick since the Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut imo.

 

[Teelie]

Exactly. I'm more interested in fresh unique ideas than someone doing the fanfic I wrote when I was 15.

So why are you so interested in Prometheus 2? It reeks of the same pretentious fan fiction attitude you have right now. The only difference between it and Alien 5 is Scott helped create then abandon only to half-assedly return to the Alien franchise with this prequel that's getting a sequel that has more disappointment than anything I've seen of Blomkamp.

It's Scott doing fan fiction of his own work. And though I liked Prometheus I'm not about to defend it as something better than it was and it was nowhere what it could have been with so many utterly stupid characters making stupid mistakes to conclude with a stupid ending (hello giant wheel of death).

 

[Snow Queen]

I too am looking forward to both, but probably Prometheus 2 a little bit more. I loved Prometheus personally and thought it really added to the mythos and I loved the themes it explored. I can understand it frustrated people but as a movie it had me thinking for weeks afterwards and I love when that happens.

D9 is one of my favourite movies ever, and I liked Elysium a lot also, but Chappie was poor and disappointing to me, so I am slightly worried Blomkamp is on a downward spiral. Aliens is also ny number 1 favourite movie ever and so i hope the characyers arent messed up. Hope I am wrong but those are the reasons I am more excited for Prometheus 2.

Yeah, hopefully Blomkamp has someone else helping with the script. He's got good ideas, but his last two films have made me unsure if he can execute them. At least we know it'll look gorgeous, I suppose. Besides, can't be worse than 3 and Resurrection.

 

[chamber-music]

The problem with Prometheus is that it had no real "new ideas." It teased some, and it made allusion (often in the most confusing/nonsensical way possible). But at the end of the day, it just turned into "Alien-lite." A slasher movie in space where a bunch of characters that were either barely there (what happened to all the mercs in the 3rd act, the movie just forgot about them apparently, or they died offscreen and it was never mentioned) or idiots who were annoying (the main cast except for David) got killed off in the most generic ways possible. Or, in the case of Vickers, in the most stupid way possible (seriously, "run to the side/turn to your left" is already a go-to joke in pop culture).

You see the mercs get pulverized Zombie Fifield and angry engineer

Some of what you dislike comes down to Lindelof and Scott deciding to make Promethues into a duology/trilogy and taking a narrative chainsaw to Jon Spaihts original script.

Jon Spaihts script was more of a direct prequel to Alien and but was a bit more coherent. The producers wanted Promethues to have less direct ties to Alien.

Lindelof was brought in to streamline. Spaiht's script. Lindelof cut out scenes and character beats which is why the movie turned out how it did.

The characters and the way they died made far more sense in Spaiht's script.

It isn't surprising Lindelof said he wasn't coming back for the sequel not long after the first film came out.

 

[Loki882]

We see SOME of them die, but I don' recall seeing ALL of them die. Also that's another problem, we have lots of characters who aren't really so. They're just cannon fodder, which is a cliché that Alien was able to avoid.

 

[chamber-music]

Alien only had a small cast.

I have the Prometheus on Blu-Ray

There was only four Mercenaries on the Prometheus. The mercs were called Sheppard, Jackson, Taplow and Vladimir.

Sheppard, Taplow and Vladimir are killed by mutated Fifeild. Sheppard is killed by the engineer.

You see each of them die.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm with you man on Blomkamp. D9 is a great film and ever since then, its been downhill. I didn't even bother watching Chappie after Elysium which was good but somewhat disappointing IMO.

With that been said, even though I didn't like Prometheus as much. I'm more excited for the sequel since there's a lot of plot threads and left hanging and things to be explained. There were many good ideas that were presented and thw film either failed to expand them or do anything interesting with them. And Ridley Scott doing a sci Fi horror film just excites me. Loved the original Alien. So we'll see.

I liked Elysium but I know what you mean about it being disappointing. Chappie was just so poor though, made all the more amazing by how good D9 actually is, fell in love with that movie the first time I saw it.

I think Scott knows though what people were disappointed with in Prometheus, though I personally really liked it, it brought up more questions than answers and I think he knows that and will address it. Plus I found the engineers themselves very interesting.

 

[TheVileOne]

He's balls deep in pre-production now. The Cartel is smaller a side job waiting for him afterwards, like The Counselor was for Prometheus.

Tons of movies are in pre-production for years and never get made.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Tons of movies are in pre-production for years and never get made.

Prometheus 2 star's shooting in January. There was pics of Ridley and Fassy in London not so long ago. They're in serious prep mode now.

 

[TheVileOne]

Prometheus 2 star's shooting in January. There was pics of Ridley and Fassy in London not so long ago. They're in serious prep mode now.

Will believe it when I see it.

 

[chamber-music]

I can see Promethues 2 taking Fantastic Four 2's release date.

With FF bombing I can see Fox probably replacing it's July 14, 2017 spot with Promethues 2.