No Country for Old Men

[Sebastos]

Javier is nominated for Best Supporting. Daniel Day Lewis is nominated for Best Actor.

My mistake.

So then who do you guys think will win in that category if Javier doesn't win?

 

[tyler-durden]

Casey Affleck

 

[War Party]

Yeah, I think Casey Affleck has a good chance of winning.

 

[Nirvana]

When does this come out on dvd? This movie was great

 

[tzarinna]

March 11th.

 

[DACrowe]

What 15 movies were better than No Country For Old Men? Even though it was my favorite film of 2007, I can only think of maybe 4 movies that could be better, but aren't.

I feel like I may have done this before, but here we go:

-Sweeney Todd
-The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
-Into the Wild
-Juno
-There Will Be Blood
-Zodiac
-Atonement
-Eastern Promises
-3:10 to Yuma
-Michael Clayton
-American Gangster

I feel those are all truly superior movies, albeit it is all opinion.

Now here are movies that aren't as well made, but I enjoyed more:

-Charlie Wilson's War
-The Bourne Supremacy
-Superbad
-Hot Fuzz
-Gone Baby Gone

I'm sure you disagree, but I feel the first 11 are superior movies and I enjoyed the latter five much more. NCFOM is a good movie, no doubt. But I think it is overhyped. It is a great villain's performance, great acting, cinematography and suspense/pacing. But the movie has some serious issues in the last act that are unconventional so people call it gutsy and original, I call it lacking and uneven, that is excused because the Coens made it.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I feel like I may have done this before, but here we go:

-Sweeney Todd
-The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
-Into the Wild
-Juno
-There Will Be Blood
-Zodiac
-Atonement
-Eastern Promises
-3:10 to Yuma
-Michael Clayton
-American Gangster

I feel those are all truly superior movies, albeit it is all opinion.

Now here are movies that aren't as well made, but I enjoyed more:

-Charlie Wilson's War
-The Bourne Supremacy
-Superbad
-Hot Fuzz
-Gone Baby Gone

I'm sure you disagree, but I feel the first 11 are superior movies and I enjoyed the latter five much more. NCFOM is a good movie, no doubt. But I think it is overhyped. It is a great villain's performance, great acting, cinematography and suspense/pacing. But the movie has some serious issues in the last act that are unconventional so people call it gutsy and original, I call it lacking and uneven, that is excused because the Coens made it.

BS! All anybody asks for his something new and original from cinema, when that comes along is it credited for being original? NO! Sorry it didnt wrap everything up for you in a little bow, but originality goes a long way with me. And like you said great performances,and since the movie is character driven, about the effects we make and how they effect the people around us, and not story driven, since life doesnt really have closure at the end, the narrative flow works perfectly fine with the goal of the movie. And getting a constant feeling of dread without the use of music....genius

Zodiacs too damn long, Junos too cutesy, and 3:10 to Yuma suffers from being the typical "original" picture

Spoiler

at some point you cant keep saying that killing the protagonist as a surprise ending

If Bourne wasnt fighting someone it was boring as all hell

There Will Be Blood is terribly overrated. Daniel-Day is great as always,the mans a pro, but for some reason I dont see why everyone loves that "thats my milkshake" bull****.

The rest I liked or havent seen yet

 

[Jerry!]

Some things from the page don't work as well on the screen. Just because something is original doesn't make it good. I understood why they did the things they did during the end of the movie, I just didn't think it worked too well. Overall I liked the movie.

 

[cerealkiller182]

How did people want it to end? Tommy Lee Jones tracks down Chigur and they have a big shoot out with car crashes and explosions and nude women in true hollywood fashion? The movie ended simply and appropriately for the movie.

 

[Jerry!]

No overall, I liked how it ended up. The "bad guy" gets away and all that. Probably my problem of the movie is that I'm not that big a fan of Tommy Lee Jones. Despite that I actually liked most of his scenes in the movie, except for some of his last ones, where I was like "Come the **** on already!" it was just overdrawn, and they are some of the more important scenes in the movie.

 

[DACrowe]

BS! All anybody asks for his something new and original from cinema, when that comes along is it credited for being original? NO! Sorry it didnt wrap everything up for you in a little bow, but originality goes a long way with me. And like you said great performances,and since the movie is character driven, about the effects we make and how they effect the people around us, and not story driven, since life doesnt really have closure at the end, the narrative flow works perfectly fine with the goal of the movie. And getting a constant feeling of dread without the use of music....genius

Zodiacs too damn long, Junos too cutesy, and 3:10 to Yuma suffers from being the typical "original" picture

Spoiler

at some point you cant keep saying that killing the protagonist as a surprise ending

If Bourne wasnt fighting someone it was boring as all hell

There Will Be Blood is terribly overrated. Daniel-Day is great as always,the mans a pro, but for some reason I dont see why everyone loves that "thats my milkshake" bull****.

The rest I liked or havent seen yet

Wow, a completely immature post. Good job.

Oh I sure do love my neatly tied up movies that leave no plot threads or consequences up to the imagination. You are so right. Mind you I would say that NCFOM is very a tighty ending that completely wraps everything up and puts a big ****ing bow on it in the last scene and movies like Michael Clayton, Eastern Promises, There Will Be Blood and even Sweeney Todd to a small extent are more opening ended than ****ing NCFOM. ****, they never catch the killer or entirely identify him in Zodiac.

No. I think the ending of NCFOM is just poorly paced and constructed. I mean in the book there is more of a lead up to Brolin's character's death. You do not see it, but you actually see the big ball of death coming as he tries to save the girl when the inevitable is going to happen. The fade out and Jones finding the bodies is not just "original" it is anti-climactic. It is jarring to the audience and I think ills the flow of the movie. You don't make a movie (however deep it is supposed to be) be a 2/3 super-suspense thriller about a hitman chasing a protagonist and then kill the said protagonist off-screen. There is no catharsis for the audience. It is inevitable that he is going to die, but the execution of it is poor, because there is none. Even if they had just filmed the scene in the book, it would have worked better because there is build up and it is not completely random.

Then we get our denounment. Well, he kills the wife. There ties up another plot thread. It is an amazing scene and saves the ending for me and I think she deserved an Oscar nomination for how good she was in that scene, but that is neither here nor there. Okay Javier gets hit by a car, driving home the message death can be random and can happen to any of us at anytime (didn't they already explain this when they killed off Brolin and to a lesser extent smartass Harrelson?). Then the last scenes with Tommy Lee Jones were literally tying a big bow on it. The final monologue is a bow in case you missed the point of the movie. An old man who doesn't understand the violence of the world he lives in who retires to escape it and as death approaches realizes the world is the same, he is just older and will pass on like his father who is waiting for him (who also most likely didn't understand his son's world). That is a bow. And I liked the character arc better when it was Morgan Freeman in Seven.

So yeah, I thought the ending was lacking with no catharsis for the audience and stripping a twist that I'm not sure would work on screen to even something more abrupt in the film, removing catharsis and distancing the film from the audience. I get they want us to think about the ending and I get it, but it was unsatisfactory as the Hollywood Reporter said when everyone else was gushing about this movie. As good as Bardem is and the visuals and the suspense for the first 2/3 of the movie, it is structurally flawed and nothing it says is actually that groundbreaking that it makes up for it. I've seen it done before better.

And then you say I just want something cookie cutter, when what...you dislike TWBB because it is too boring? The movie is a ****ing masterpiece. There is a movie that hits every mark to perfection and is just as visually impressive as NCFOM, but who leads the audience thorugh from a subjective distance the events of Daniel Plainview's life and still brings them in for the catharsis and the meaning of the movie without having to dumb it down to a long winded speech at the end in case you didn't get it. Oh Zodiac is too long? WTF? Another brilliant movie you discard with no proper reasoning other than you might have a short attention span. Oh and Juno is too cutesy. God forbid there be a movie with a feel good tone, Oscar season even if it is about real characters in a mature situation (yes it is a comedy/drama with teenagers though).

Those last two were exaggerations that I'm sure annoyed you. I'm sure you have valid reasons for disliking Zodiac and Juno (albeit you did not give them), but assuming the other person is inferior in opinion and making sweeping generalizations about them does piss you off, doesn't it?

How about we disagree. I have reasons for my argument, you did not other than "I don't understand something original and want cookie cutter entertainment," ignoring the fact that NCFOM is a tightier ending than half the movies I listed.

 

[cerealkiller182]

And then you say I just want something cookie cutter, when what...you dislike TWBB because it is too boring? The movie is a ****ing masterpiece. There is a movie that hits every mark to perfection and is just as visually impressive as NCFOM, but who leads the audience thorugh from a subjective distance the events of Daniel Plainview's life and still brings them in for the catharsis and the meaning of the movie without having to dumb it down to a long winded speech at the end in case you didn't get it. Oh Zodiac is too long? WTF? Another brilliant movie you discard with no proper reasoning other than you might have a short attention span. Oh and Juno is too cutesy. God forbid there be a movie with a feel good tone, Oscar season even if it is about real characters in a mature situation (yes it is a comedy/drama with teenagers though).

Didnt say I didnt like TWBB,Juno, Zodiac, i enjoyed them very much, they are just not as good NCFOM. I prolly wouldnt have cared either but you said 15 better movies, 5 or so I can chock up to personal preference,not 15, I dont think so. It wasnt poorly constructive, it fit the rest of the movies pace.

 

[DACrowe]

And I disagree, but I respect your opinion to do so. And I think Sweeney Todd, The Assassination of Jesse James and There Will Be Blood are all perfectly executed movies, I obviously do not think that of NCFOM. And the rest of my rankings are based on quality and enjoyment (ex. I know Atonement is better than Into the Wild, but both great movies and I enjoyed ITW more). I respect your opinion, but I don't think the ending worked and the only response I ever get when I critique it is that I either didn't understand it (when I think I have shown quite the aptitude to get what it is saying) or I wanted a cookie cutter ending, which is not the case. Neither defense works.

Oh well

 

[WorthyStevens]

Blu-Ray.com review (4.5/5).

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=654&show=review

 

[hammerhedd11]

Wow, a completely immature post. Good job.

Oh I sure do love my neatly tied up movies that leave no plot threads or consequences up to the imagination. You are so right. Mind you I would say that NCFOM is very a tighty ending that completely wraps everything up and puts a big ****ing bow on it in the last scene and movies like Michael Clayton, Eastern Promises, There Will Be Blood and even Sweeney Todd to a small extent are more opening ended than ****ing NCFOM. ****, they never catch the killer or entirely identify him in Zodiac.

No. I think the ending of NCFOM is just poorly paced and constructed. I mean in the book there is more of a lead up to Brolin's character's death. You do not see it, but you actually see the big ball of death coming as he tries to save the girl when the inevitable is going to happen. The fade out and Jones finding the bodies is not just "original" it is anti-climactic. It is jarring to the audience and I think ills the flow of the movie. You don't make a movie (however deep it is supposed to be) be a 2/3 super-suspense thriller about a hitman chasing a protagonist and then kill the said protagonist off-screen. There is no catharsis for the audience. It is inevitable that he is going to die, but the execution of it is poor, because there is none. Even if they had just filmed the scene in the book, it would have worked better because there is build up and it is not completely random.

Then we get our denounment. Well, he kills the wife. There ties up another plot thread. It is an amazing scene and saves the ending for me and I think she deserved an Oscar nomination for how good she was in that scene, but that is neither here nor there. Okay Javier gets hit by a car, driving home the message death can be random and can happen to any of us at anytime (didn't they already explain this when they killed off Brolin and to a lesser extent smartass Harrelson?). Then the last scenes with Tommy Lee Jones were literally tying a big bow on it. The final monologue is a bow in case you missed the point of the movie. An old man who doesn't understand the violence of the world he lives in who retires to escape it and as death approaches realizes the world is the same, he is just older and will pass on like his father who is waiting for him (who also most likely didn't understand his son's world). That is a bow. And I liked the character arc better when it was Morgan Freeman in Seven.

So yeah, I thought the ending was lacking with no catharsis for the audience and stripping a twist that I'm not sure would work on screen to even something more abrupt in the film, removing catharsis and distancing the film from the audience. I get they want us to think about the ending and I get it, but it was unsatisfactory as the Hollywood Reporter said when everyone else was gushing about this movie. As good as Bardem is and the visuals and the suspense for the first 2/3 of the movie, it is structurally flawed and nothing it says is actually that groundbreaking that it makes up for it. I've seen it done before better.

And then you say I just want something cookie cutter, when what...you dislike TWBB because it is too boring? The movie is a ****ing masterpiece. There is a movie that hits every mark to perfection and is just as visually impressive as NCFOM, but who leads the audience thorugh from a subjective distance the events of Daniel Plainview's life and still brings them in for the catharsis and the meaning of the movie without having to dumb it down to a long winded speech at the end in case you didn't get it. Oh Zodiac is too long? WTF? Another brilliant movie you discard with no proper reasoning other than you might have a short attention span. Oh and Juno is too cutesy. God forbid there be a movie with a feel good tone, Oscar season even if it is about real characters in a mature situation (yes it is a comedy/drama with teenagers though).

Those last two were exaggerations that I'm sure annoyed you. I'm sure you have valid reasons for disliking Zodiac and Juno (albeit you did not give them), but assuming the other person is inferior in opinion and making sweeping generalizations about them does piss you off, doesn't it?

How about we disagree. I have reasons for my argument, you did not other than "I don't understand something original and want cookie cutter entertainment," ignoring the fact that NCFOM is a tightier ending than half the movies I listed.

Great post. I completely agree.

 

[Darkly Dexter]

I feel like I may have done this before, but here we go:

-Sweeney Todd
-The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
-Into the Wild
-Juno
-There Will Be Blood
-Zodiac
-Atonement
-Eastern Promises
-3:10 to Yuma
-Michael Clayton
-American Gangster

I feel those are all truly superior movies, albeit it is all opinion.

Now here are movies that aren't as well made, but I enjoyed more:

-Charlie Wilson's War
-The Bourne Supremacy
-Superbad
-Hot Fuzz
-Gone Baby Gone

I'm sure you disagree, but I feel the first 11 are superior movies and I enjoyed the latter five much more. NCFOM is a good movie, no doubt. But I think it is overhyped. It is a great villain's performance, great acting, cinematography and suspense/pacing. But the movie has some serious issues in the last act that are unconventional so people call it gutsy and original, I call it lacking and uneven, that is excused because the Coens made it.

I agree with you in everything except for Sweeey Todd and Zodiac. The first one I thought it was bad (already gave my reasons in its thread) and the other one is just average.

and, as a western, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, is superior to No Country for Old Men.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

I think the Coens might get their Oscars tonight..finally.

 

[PWN3R]

Then we get our denounment. Well, he kills the wife. There ties up another plot thread. It is an amazing scene and saves the ending for me and I think she deserved an Oscar nomination for how good she was in that scene, but that is neither here nor there.

Completely agree with you on Kelly Macdonald. She was outstanding in that scene. I thought she stole the spotlight from Javier Bardem for that moment.

 

[Fran]

I'm torn between this or TWBB for Best Picture. They're so different that both deserve it at the same time.

But I've got a feeling that No Country will win.

 

[PWN3R]

I want this to win best picture, and Paul Thomas Anderson for best director.

 

[Fran]

Johnny Depp for best actor. Please.

 

[Cinemaman]

I want this to win best picture, and Paul Thomas Anderson for best director.

That would be great, but I doubt academy will give it to two movies again

 

[Mr. Socko]

I loved this movie. It was my second favorite of the year to Sweeney Todd. I think this or There Will Be Blood will win Best Pic.

The only other Coen Bros movie I've seen is Fargo which I also thought was great. I've got to check out some of their other flicks.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

I feel like I may have done this before, but here we go:

-Sweeney Todd
-The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
-Into the Wild
-Juno
-There Will Be Blood
-Zodiac
-Atonement
-Eastern Promises
-3:10 to Yuma
-Michael Clayton
-American Gangster

I feel those are all truly superior movies, albeit it is all opinion.

Now here are movies that aren't as well made, but I enjoyed more:

-Charlie Wilson's War
-The Bourne Supremacy
-Superbad
-Hot Fuzz
-Gone Baby Gone

I'm sure you disagree, but I feel the first 11 are superior movies and I enjoyed the latter five much more. NCFOM is a good movie, no doubt. But I think it is overhyped. It is a great villain's performance, great acting, cinematography and suspense/pacing. But the movie has some serious issues in the last act that are unconventional so people call it gutsy and original, I call it lacking and uneven, that is excused because the Coens made it.

I agree it was overhyped. The last act blew it for me.

 

[Yurka]

Every time I see the nominations for best picture and I see Juno, I get a little aggrivated. I saw Juno, I liked it, but theres no way in hell it should be included in a group with No Country or There Will be Blood.Anyone else feel this way?